THE WENGER THREAD

[augie]

LDB, I cannot agree with your assessment of gibbs - tbh half the time I am not sure if he should be first choice ahead of monreal or not

Re the 22 game run that you refer to, can I just ask again that you list out the amount of good teams that we beat in that run ? Everybody referred to the piss easy run in that we had at the tail end of last season as a major (not the only) reason why we secured the virtual trophy again, and that easy run of fixtures has extended to the first dozen games of this season. I understand the argument that we can only beat what is in front of us but it does create a false impression imo and the only way we can correctly assess this team is seeing how they perform in the big games against our rivals (and bradford ) and we will know then if we have turned a corner or not.

I too enjoyed watching how we played last night and it did provide a flashback of better times from the past but sadly (due to some psychological issues ) I cannot leave it at that - I look at this team and feel that it is close to being successful again but who will fall short yet again in their quest for trophies I look at a squad that is hugely short of options in the strikers department and I still feel that I would have been a lot happier had we of signed julio cesar instead of some guy rated below flaps For that reason alone (and there are many many more reasons) I do not believe we can ever be successful again under a manager that could not identify or recognise what our biggest needs were last summer. If you look at our midfield starters last night and then add wilshere, cazorla, ox, wally and podolski to them then you could justifiably argue that we are seriously overloaded in that department and then compare that to our strikers where the worlds greatest danish striker is viewed as our main back up to the giroud and you cannot but feel that something and someone has seriously fcuked up within the club. So to answer your point I will agree that I am enjoying our performances of late but cannot totally let myself go cos I feel that serious trouble is just around the corner

[markyp]

this season has lifted my heavy heart a little and given me a tiny bit of renewed belief in Profeessor Crackpot,however its just so frustrating to know that the down turn in fortunes the past 7years need not have happened.we had money all along ,we could have still competed but Wenger chose to use us as an experiment to massage his own ego and refused to change until now.weve lost a long long time,Wenger is culprable so my emotions on him are very mixed,can he drive us on this season to glory,time will tell,at the moment its just great to have OUR Arsenal back

[Theoperator]

Trouble I have is looking back and remembering many years before Wenger, some years of variable direness, where 1-0 was the best we did, where we were in serious trouble in the late 70s, sure George Graham helped pick things up, My Dad only kept the faith thanks to memories of Bertie Mee and Herbert Chapman....
but things havent looked back since Wenger came in.

We have NO God given right to stay in the top flight, let alone top 4 , look at Coventry or Derby for other clubs who have moved grounds to see what disasters can happen, Pompey to see what nightmares are made of. See the struggle Liverpool have had with their ground. All would bite their hands off for what we have. Without the zillions that Citeh and The Chavs have had the league would be an utterly different story for us- hardly Wengers fault.

A 60% win rate for so long is no mean feat- utterly outstanding really

OK AG isnt the best for atmosphere, though it is improbving, but it does bring in 60,000+ crowds every time, obviously that will turn into money for buying in players. To move grounds maintain the consistancy we have done, all other clubs would bite your hands off.

OK there have been some big f**k ups along the way, but I cant honstly even see SAF making it all turn out fine. Much as disappointments have occurred recently its maybe better to look as much if not more at the boardroom than Wenger I think.

Spending a fortune on the wrong person can be a disaster too, theres been a lot spent on some modest strikers for other teams.

Hope this doesnt upset too many

[1989]

this season has lifted my heavy heart a little and given me a tiny bit of renewed belief in Profeessor Crackpot,however its just so frustrating to know that the down turn in fortunes the past 7years need not have happened.we had money all along ,we could have still competed but Wenger chose to use us as an experiment to massage his own ego and refused to change until now.weve lost a long long time,Wenger is culprable so my emotions on him are very mixed,can he drive us on this season to glory,time will tell,at the moment its just great to have OUR Arsenal back

To be fair last summer was the only time I can recall where Wenger openly admitted that we have money to spend and that he was eager to spend it.

[Trevor Ross]

this season has lifted my heavy heart a little and given me a tiny bit of renewed belief in Profeessor Crackpot,however its just so frustrating to know that the down turn in fortunes the past 7years need not have happened.we had money all along ,we could have still competed but Wenger chose to use us as an experiment to massage his own ego and refused to change until now.weve lost a long long time,Wenger is culprable so my emotions on him are very mixed,can he drive us on this season to glory,time will tell,at the moment its just great to have OUR Arsenal back

To be fair last summer was the only time I can recall where Wenger openly admitted that we have money to spend and that he was eager to spend it.

I can recall Edelman, Fitzman, Hill-Wood, Kroenke or Gazidis openly stating that we have money to spend EVERY summer and winter since at least 2008. It's incredible that people just ignore this. I've never heard Wenger state that he is eager to spend, even this summer when he's finally admitted funds are available. He even went as far to say that the transfer window is a problem for him and he wishes it didn't exist.

[augie]

Trouble I have is looking back and remembering many years before Wenger, some years of variable direness, where 1-0 was the best we did, where we were in serious trouble in the late 70s, sure George Graham helped pick things up, My Dad only kept the faith thanks to memories of Bertie Mee and Herbert Chapman....
but things havent looked back since Wenger came in.

We have NO God given right to stay in the top flight, let alone top 4 , look at Coventry or Derby for other clubs who have moved grounds to see what disasters can happen, Pompey to see what nightmares are made of. See the struggle Liverpool have had with their ground. All would bite their hands off for what we have. Without the zillions that Citeh and The Chavs have had the league would be an utterly different story for us- hardly Wengers fault.

A 60% win rate for so long is no mean feat- utterly outstanding really

OK AG isnt the best for atmosphere, though it is improbving, but it does bring in 60,000+ crowds every time, obviously that will turn into money for buying in players. To move grounds maintain the consistancy we have done, all other clubs would bite your hands off.

OK there have been some big f**k ups along the way, but I cant honstly even see SAF making it all turn out fine. Much as disappointments have occurred recently its maybe better to look as much if not more at the boardroom than Wenger I think.

Spending a fortune on the wrong person can be a disaster too, theres been a lot spent on some modest strikers for other teams.

Hope this doesnt upset too many

Are.You.Serious ? It pisses me off when some fans refer to the troubles leeds and rangers have had due to overspending but at least they have had decent histories and achievements and now you want to compare us with Coventry and derby ffs Is that what it has come to now ? Comparing us with two no mark provincial clubs from the midlands

Of course it is the boards fault and not wenkers - it is the board who decided to give bumper contracts to diaby denilson and bendtner etc, it was the board who persisted with below average al in goals (and actually made him captain for a while ) even though it was painfully obvious that he was never gonna be good enough, it was the boards fault for playing a tactical formation that did not suit the players he had available and of course it is the boards fault that we rarely make substitutions before the 68th minute (barring injuries)

You maintain that we haven't looked back since arsole wenker arrived do you ? You are suggesting that we have improved year after year up until now ? You don't think any fans are looking back longingly at the teams from 8 or 10 years ago then ? FFS I look back longing for the team we had back in 1997 much less the early 2000's cos we had a better team with more backbone then than we do now

I'm not sure if you are on the wind up or not and later in the day I will probably regret taking the bait here and biting but right now I find the comparison to derby and Coventry insulting to me as a Gooner

[Theoperator]

Sorry to p**s you off. Im new on here, and not out to wind up, just to post my view, which I accept isnt everyones

NO team has a God given right as I said, you have to be realistic It wasnt THAT long since Manure laguished, changed Manager after manager, Villa were in the 3rd division as then was. As you mention Rangers Leeds, Liverpool were disasterous once and have struggled. I am not "comparing" us with the teams, just comparing what happened to them when they moved, changed manager, bought wrongly or whatevr each team suffered misfortunwise for Derby (Who have won the Championship remeber) and Coventry (one of the longest runs in the top flight recently) , it was the move that caused a lot of their problems, or are you denying that?

No one is perfect, but I find it hard to believe that manager changing is a panacea, look at the other top 3 last season, all struggling relatively to get to where they were. Surely The Chavs would have done even better if they had stuck with one manager rather than the endless changes....

Wenger has a proven record, 60% win rate, managed to move to a top stadium, it just wasnt possible to continue at Highbury surely?

I think we will have to agree to disagree, I accept Wengers frailties and you just hate him .

Whatever we are haveing a great run and lets enjoy it

[Young Willy]

Sorry to p**s you off. Im new on here, and not out to wind up, just to post my view, which I accept isnt everyones

NO team has a God given right as I said, you have to be realistic It wasnt THAT long since Manure laguished, changed Manager after manager, Villa were in the 3rd division as then was. As you mention Rangers Leeds, Liverpool were disasterous once and have struggled. I am not "comparing" us with the teams, just comparing what happened to them when they moved, changed manager, bought wrongly or whatevr each team suffered misfortunwise for Derby (Who have won the Championship remeber) and Coventry (one of the longest runs in the top flight recently) , it was the move that caused a lot of their problems, or are you denying that?

No one is perfect, but I find it hard to believe that manager changing is a panacea, look at the other top 3 last season, all struggling relatively to get to where they were. Surely The Chavs would have done even better if they had stuck with one manager rather than the endless changes....

Wenger has a proven record, 60% win rate, managed to move to a top stadium, it just wasnt possible to continue at Highbury surely?

I think we will have to agree to disagree, I accept Wengers frailties and you just hate him .

Whatever we are haveing a great run and lets enjoy it

Welcome to the Forum Theo!
I am fairly new also, and I agree partially with what you are saying. However, we are still only one or two injuries away from having an ordinary team because Wenger bought badly in the Summer (apart from Ozil and Flamster). And to be fair, he was lucky that Flamini still has some quality about him. This is a good recovery from Wenger, but let's judge him by the trophy cabinet at the end of the season.

[arseofacrow]

Sorry to p**s you off. Im new on here, and not out to wind up, just to post my view, which I accept isnt everyones

NO team has a God given right as I said, you have to be realistic It wasnt THAT long since Manure laguished, changed Manager after manager, Villa were in the 3rd division as then was. As you mention Rangers Leeds, Liverpool were disasterous once and have struggled. I am not "comparing" us with the teams, just comparing what happened to them when they moved, changed manager, bought wrongly or whatevr each team suffered misfortunwise for Derby (Who have won the Championship remeber) and Coventry (one of the longest runs in the top flight recently) , it was the move that caused a lot of their problems, or are you denying that?

No one is perfect, but I find it hard to believe that manager changing is a panacea, look at the other top 3 last season, all struggling relatively to get to where they were. Surely The Chavs would have done even better if they had stuck with one manager rather than the endless changes....

Wenger has a proven record, 60% win rate, managed to move to a top stadium, it just wasnt possible to continue at Highbury surely?

I think we will have to agree to disagree, I accept Wengers frailties and you just hate him .

Whatever we are haveing a great run and lets enjoy it

Better than the painkillers I'm on.

[I Hate Hleb]

Sorry to p**s you off. Im new on here, and not out to wind up, just to post my view, which I accept isnt everyones ...

Don't pay no mind to augie, even waking up pisses him off!!!

[OneBardGooner]

Sorry to p**s you off. Im new on here, and not out to wind up, just to post my view, which I accept isnt everyones ...

Don't pay no mind to augie, even waking up pisses him off!!!

I bet he doesn't talk in his sleep, but moans and whinges!

[I Hate Hleb]

Mind you augie is probably too angry to actually sleep!!

[SteveO 35]

People on here turn quicker than a pint of milk left in the sun for a week

FFS - Wenger has overseen 5 league wins in a row and has obtained a total of 15 points from six games where last season we got 18.

We've beaten West Brom on penalties, and the worst team I've witnessed in the CL in many a long year in Fenerbahce

Last night's win was fantastic and against a decent team and the win in Marseille showed great character against a half decent side

That's it - nothing more nothing less. We haven't played any of the major clubs in this country yet and the back to back Dortmund games will provide a real test of how far we've come.

Wenger often says "judge me in May" when we've had a fucking awful start and are out of the title race by Autumn, but now we've got people willing to judge him in early October when we've had a decent start without playing anyone of real note (Napoli apart perhaps)

Fuck me - at least wait till Xmas when the CL Group stage is over and we've played everyone domestically before even beginning to suggest that Lord Wenger has suddenly turned over a new leaf.

The squad is still fragile in too many places and I'm prepared to stick my neck out even now and say we'll end up 4th and without a trophy

[afcforever]

People on here turn quicker than a pint of milk left in the sun for a week

FFS - Wenger has overseen 5 league wins in a row and has obtained a total of 15 points from six games where last season we got 18.

We've beaten West Brom on penalties, and the worst team I've witnessed in the CL in many a long year in Fenerbahce

Last night's win was fantastic and against a decent team and the win in Marseille showed great character against a half decent side

That's it - nothing more nothing less. We haven't played any of the major clubs in this country yet and the back to back Dortmund games will provide a real test of how far we've come.

Wenger often says "judge me in May" when we've had a fucking awful start and are out of the title race by Autumn, but now we've got people willing to judge him in early October when we've had a decent start without playing anyone of real note (Napoli apart perhaps)

Fuck me - at least wait till Xmas when the CL Group stage is over and we've played everyone domestically before even beginning to suggest that Lord Wenger has suddenly turned over a new leaf.

The squad is still fragile in too many places and I'm prepared to stick my neck out even now and say we'll end up 4th and without a trophy

Steveo, sounds like Wengers got you a bit worried about buying the beer and food for the bbq do'nt worry well all chip in
Did Napoli beat dortmund?

[SteveO 35]

People on here turn quicker than a pint of milk left in the sun for a week

FFS - Wenger has overseen 5 league wins in a row and has obtained a total of 15 points from six games where last season we got 18.

We've beaten West Brom on penalties, and the worst team I've witnessed in the CL in many a long year in Fenerbahce

Last night's win was fantastic and against a decent team and the win in Marseille showed great character against a half decent side

That's it - nothing more nothing less. We haven't played any of the major clubs in this country yet and the back to back Dortmund games will provide a real test of how far we've come.

Wenger often says "judge me in May" when we've had a fucking awful start and are out of the title race by Autumn, but now we've got people willing to judge him in early October when we've had a decent start without playing anyone of real note (Napoli apart perhaps)

Fuck me - at least wait till Xmas when the CL Group stage is over and we've played everyone domestically before even beginning to suggest that Lord Wenger has suddenly turned over a new leaf.

The squad is still fragile in too many places and I'm prepared to stick my neck out even now and say we'll end up 4th and without a trophy

Steveo, sounds like Wengers got you a bit worried about buying the beer and food for the bbq do'nt worry well all chip in
Did Napoli beat dortmund?

On the contrary - the BBQ happens when Wenger signs up his new deal so the only worry now is the counselling bill for young Rodders and whether there's enough room in the freezer for all the burgers

Anyway, you've always stuck by There's Only One......I think the "quick about turn brigade" know who they are and they'll be back on this thread in December moaning about Wenger anyway