As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Also (desperately trying to get the poor fucked goat of a thread back on course ) it's an interesting point about Cole/Flamoney in the CL final. At the time I agreed it was right to play the dirty little judas chav cuntbag ahead of Flamoney, even though Flamoney had been exceptional at LB in that CL run. Cole was at the time rated in the top 3 LB's in the world.
But with hindsight, Cole was not fully fit, was (allegedly) already plotting his betrayal and sucking of cocks at the chav, and had indeed gone on a piss up with Fat Lumpard and drug dealer's son Chav Terry ONLY THREE DAYS BEFORE the biggest game in our history. How much of this was Arsene aware of?
Cole was at fault to some extent for both goals. But to say he lost us the final is a step too far. There were other issues that cost us that final too; Lehmann being a fucking headless chicken and Henry bottling two sitters. With 20/20 hindsight, he should have stuck with Flamoney I reckon but of course at the time it seemed the sensible thing to do by bringing back Cuntchops Cashley. Hindsight - a great thing, huh?
We could have got better than Flamini and because you shout a lot doesn't make you agreat influence. But the guy gives us something extra, the intangible of influence that doesn't come up in a world of DMs, CDs, DVDs and the interminable quoting of stats. He seem to enjoy trying to organise and as human beings, we relate to this. It's human nature. Certain players need this.
What I don't relate to is the outrage about his conduct. The guy is human being and not a robot, and according to one or two stories, seems to have a very decent character.
Give me one half good season from a guy like that over some of the lily livered shit that we've had to put up with for years. Some of whom, albeit world class and apparently closesly related to god, don't play and wear spurs shirts.
arseofacrow wrote:We could have got better than Flamini and because you shout a lot doesn't make you agreat influence. But the guy gives us something extra, the intangible of influence that doesn't come up in a world of DMs, CDs, DVDs and the interminable quoting of stats. He seem to enjoy trying to organise and as human beings, we relate to this. It's human nature. Certain players need this.
What I don't relate to is the outrage about his conduct. The guy is human being and not a robot, and according to one or two stories, seems to have a very decent character.
Give me one half good season from a guy like that over some of the lily livered shit that we've had to put up with for years. Some of whom, albeit world class and apparently closesly related to god, don't play and wear spurs shirts.
We got that one half good season from the little lesbo that fcuked off to citeeh and he was widely slated for that performance
arseofacrow wrote:We could have got better than Flamini and because you shout a lot doesn't make you agreat influence. But the guy gives us something extra, the intangible of influence that doesn't come up in a world of DMs, CDs, DVDs and the interminable quoting of stats. He seem to enjoy trying to organise and as human beings, we relate to this. It's human nature. Certain players need this.
What I don't relate to is the outrage about his conduct. The guy is human being and not a robot, and according to one or two stories, seems to have a very decent character.
Give me one half good season from a guy like that over some of the lily livered shit that we've had to put up with for years. Some of whom, albeit world class and apparently closesly related to god, don't play and wear spurs shirts.
We got that one half good season from the little lesbo that fcuked off to citeeh and he was widely slated for that performance
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
Surely he didn't go to sit on the bench, I wouldn't believe that was his intention for one second. He obviously thought he was going to nail down a regular place, now whether he was indeed over confident in his actual ability is another matter altogether.
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
You know, there is also the possibility that he went there thinking he would be good enough to become a regular starter. He doesn't strike me as the lazy bastard type like KD-LANG Features that very obviously didn't give a fuck and was solely money motivated. Flamoney seems very motivated and hungry to play. Sure I could be as wrong as OneBard dressed like a baby sheep with his arse in the air, but it is a possibility, no?
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
Surely he didn't go to sit on the bench, I wouldn't believe that was his intention for one second. He obviously thought he was going to nail down a regular place, now whether he was indeed over confident in his actual ability is another matter altogether.
Flamini, a largely unknown in world football and a guy with 1 international cap, thought that he was going to displace rino gattuso who was a mainstay irreplaceable figure in not just the Milan team but also the Italian national team ?? I doubt very much that anybody is that naïve especially especially a guy who was almost sold to the brum the previous summer Of all the nations going, he was never likely to be allowed take the place of a home based italian international even if he was good enough to do so (which he wasn't anyway)
augie wrote:Flamini, a largely unknown in world football and a guy with 1 international cap, thought that he was going to displace rino gattuso who was a mainstay irreplaceable figure in not just the Milan team but also the Italian national team ?? I doubt very much that anybody is that naïve especially especially a guy who was almost sold to the brum the previous summer Of all the nations going, he was never likely to be allowed take the place of a home based italian international even if he was good enough to do so (which he wasn't anyway)
Yeah. But there is a difference between you believing that and him believing that. Think about Mong going to Barcalohahahahahahahaha - I still can't fucking finish that sentence!!
DB10GOONER wrote:You know, there is also the possibility that he went there thinking he would be good enough to become a regular starter. He doesn't strike me as the lazy bastard type like KD-LANG Features that very obviously didn't give a fuck and was solely money motivated. Flamoney seems very motivated and hungry to play. Sure I could be as wrong as OneBard dressed like a baby sheep with his arse in the air, but it is a possibility, no?
augie wrote:...I know that there are varying degree's of wrong but the bottom line for me is that flamoney was still wrong to go to a club where he was only going to be a bench warmer just cos he was offered more money there, when he could have gone to a club on the next level down and earned less but become a key player....
So is your real beef the fact that Flamini didn't make the most of his 'career opportunities'?
Yes and no - in the main I didn't give a fcuk that he left cos back then he wasn't all that and certainly wasn't at the standard we were used to at that time but I do have a real issue with him leaving us to go and sit on milans bench for 4 years. If he had of gone to a different club and been a regular starter then he could have justified his leaving on the basis of not feeling appreciated by our club, but by going to Milan he sent out a big indicator that money, not his developing career, was his motivation and I despise all the money grabbing c***s that are rife in our game today
Of course he wasnt up to the standard of Vieira Petit and Gilberto all world cup winners but look at the shite that replaced Flamini Denilson Diaby and Song you tell me Flamini isnt a vast improvement on those Three Stooges.No one is saying Flamini is a world beater but neither was Parlour.And Cesc had his best season playing alongside him
Flamini left Arsenal because he wasnt wanted we tried to flog him to Birmingham FFS so he ran out his contract like every player is allowed to do (Sol anyone?).He didnt tout himself like Cole Helb and Greedybayor
I really dont know what your problem is augie we paid nothing for him twice.He is not an Arshavin a Gervinho a Santos who we actually paid big money for
"Arsene Wenger is Arsenal. He's been here for a long time and is doing an amazing job. He always qualifies for the Champions League and today he knows our group are following him and believing in what he is saying."
What I don't relate to is the outrage about his conduct. The guy is human being and not a robot,and according to one or two stories, seems to have a very decent character.
Give me one half good season from a guy like that over some of the lily livered shit that we've had to put up with for years. Some of whom, albeit world class and apparently closesly related to god, don't play and wear spurs shirts.
May or may not be helpful, but late at night after the C cup at WBA pens et al son and I watched behind a barrier as the team got into the coach for the journey back. 3 players came over to sign autographs have pics taken etc, didnt need to bet they just wanted to get into the coach to get their mags/ cards or whatever they do now, but Flamini came over took a while with us (TV and Jenks were the other 2 to come over)
Made my young lad and I very happy, son is definately a gooner as well as having a memory for life- makes all the difference.
) it's an interesting point about Cole/Flamoney in the CL final. At the time I agreed it was right to play the dirty little judas chav cuntbag ahead of Flamoney, even though Flamoney had been exceptional at LB in that CL run. Cole was at the time rated in the top 3 LB's in the world. 
Of all the nations going, he was never likely to be allowed take the place of a home based italian international even if he was good enough to do so (which he wasn't anyway) 
