Flamini

[armchair]

There's absolutely no doubt that each and every one of us was crying out for a quality DM.
Flamini is exactly the type of player we have be em missing for years. He is offering us something that no other Arsenal player is able to bring.

We need Flamini - Flamini needs us. Good.

We are a better, more balanced squad with better competition for places and more options with Flamini.

WTF is the problem?

[armchair]

to compare full international players against fringe or non international players is no argument at all,weve had plenty of them over the years at Arsenal but it doesn't mean they aren't integral to the team or shouldn't be top earners,some players simply don't fit the bill with international managers,Paul Davis,steve bould,nigel winterburn and to a lesser degree ray parlour have all been fringe international players yet youd have put them down on the Arsenal team sheet week in week out.Arteta is a prime example right now,he is one of our top earners but doesn't represent spain,does that mean he should be on the same money as Karl Jenkinson?Flamini had every right to ask for the same money as hleb,he was as important or more important to us regardless of his international status

Exactly mate
It's an absolutely irrelevant and disingenuous point.

The fact that years ago one manager rated a player differently than the manager who actually paid him is totally, totally fuckin irrelevant to our situation today. Absolutely a million miles away fs.

[northbank123]

There's absolutely no doubt that each and every one of us was crying out for a quality DM.
Flamini is exactly the type of player we have be em missing for years. He is offering us something that no other Arsenal player is able to bring.

We need Flamini - Flamini needs us. Good.

We are a better, more balanced squad with better competition for places and more options with Flamini.

WTF is the problem?

Firstly, I think you're getting some issues conflated. Although quite a few people have expressed disdain towards him off the top of my head it's only perhaps Augie who has said they don't want him here full stop. I'm still harbouring some bitterness towards him and I think some of the evaluations of his performance on here have been wildly exaggerative but that's not to say I don't want him in the squad if he's going to offer us plenty.

Secondly, are you deliberately trying to hijack the thread? The people who have various reservations about or dislike towards him have made their reasoning perfectly clear over the last several pages of the topic. The end of your post isn't going to foster any useful debate or elicit any responses that haven't already been posted. Either go back and read people's previous posts or continue your argument with SteveO by PM if you're that desperate to.

[1989]

Flamini's stats so far this season:




Flamini compared to the other DM's we've been linked with:





http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1797 ... his-season

[northbank123]

Flamini's stats so far this season:




Flamini compared to the other DM's we've been linked with:





http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1797 ... his-season

That settles everything then, close the thread up

At least Gustavo being sent off TWICE already is an interesting and somewhat useful fact and therefore the post is marginally less than completely superficial

[1989]

For fuck's sake I'm just posting his stats.

[northbank123]

For fuck's sake I'm just posting his stats.

I presumed that seeing as this isn't Twatter or a blog that you were actually posting for the purpose of analysis/discussion and not merely for the sake of it or for attention. You obviously think that the post shows something so what's the problem with it being challenged?

I question what insight we get from comparing how many interceptions Fellaini made in his 30 minute appearance against 10-men Palace when he was brought on to get another goal against a team who had no possession compared to how many interceptions Flamini made playing for 90 minutes a purely defensive role against a Swansea team who like to pass it round in midfield but are pretty short on real quality. Just like if it had compared how many crosses had been put in by Flamini to how many had been put in by Cabaye, which given their respective roles and the vague nature of the stat would be equally useless as a comparator.

Those players are all playing different roles in completely different teams with different footballing styles against different levels of opposition. Added to that most of the criteria imo offer very little in terms of analysis or meaningful comparison.

[1989]

I presumed that seeing as this isn't Twatter or a blog that you were actually posting for the purpose of analysis/discussion and not merely for the sake of it or for attention. You obviously think that the post shows something so what's the problem with it being challenged?

I posted it because it was interesting, and yes partly also to spark a discussion but not for you to come to the conclusion that it was done as an attempt on my part to "end the argument" or any such thing without any basis. No need for the eyes rolling smylies.

I question what insight we get from comparing how many interceptions Fellaini made in his 30 minute appearance against 10-men Palace when he was brought on to get another goal against a team who had no possession compared to how many interceptions Flamini made playing for 90 minutes a purely defensive role against a Swansea team who like to pass it round in midfield but are pretty short on real quality. Just like if it had compared how many crosses had been put in by Flamini to how many had been put in by Cabaye, which given their respective roles and the vague nature of the stat would be equally useless as a comparator.

Why not focus on Bender, Gustavo and Illaramendi's stats then as they all pretty much play the exact same role as Flamini?

Those players are all playing different roles in completely different teams with different footballing styles against different levels of opposition. Added to that most of the criteria imo offer very little in terms of analysis or meaningful comparison.

It's just interesting, that's all. I fail to see the need for making such a massive deal out of it. I don't use stats to settle arguments; and while they do give an idea and insight into things, I realize fully that they don't show the whole picture.

[beck]

If i remember correctly Flamini played almost all of the last season he had with us,he came in to the side about October(might have been earlier or later) and kept his place till the end.the club farked him about,why would he stay,hed have been a door mat.no one seems to give a toss that Henry left for Barca but then came back all be it briefly.cut Flamini some slack,he is a massive reason why our season is going so well,and he was free,he could walk into any premier league team right now.We are flying,be fucking happy

flamini was a starter from the beginning of the 07/08 season

[northbank123]

It's not a massive deal - it's just you posted a table of stats without explanation as though they proved some obvious point, and after 2 replies from you I'm still not really any closer to finding out what that is.

[arseofacrow]

It's not a massive deal - it's just you posted a table of stats without explanation as though they proved some obvious point, and after 2 replies from you I'm still not really any closer to finding out what that is.

I think he's coming on to beck

[LDB]

It's not a massive deal - it's just you posted a table of stats without explanation as though they proved some obvious point, and after 2 replies from you I'm still not really any closer to finding out what that is.

I think the point is possibly that flamini has had a decent start to his time here. Of course there is the re-signing an old player element to it but I also think alot of people initially slated the signing of flamini because we didn't spunk a load of money on transfer fees like we would have done to sign any of those other players.

[arseofacrow]

It's not a massive deal - it's just you posted a table of stats without explanation as though they proved some obvious point, and after 2 replies from you I'm still not really any closer to finding out what that is.

I think the point is possibly that flamini has had a decent start to his time here. Of course there is the re-signing an old player element to it but I also think alot of people initially slated the signing of flamini because we didn't spunk a load of money on transfer fees like we would have done to sign any of those other players.

I was happy that Flamini re-signed because I like him, so I guess it was easy for me. Maybe my like for him has increased in absence because of what has gone on since he left. And I have no ill will because of how he left.

What I would say is that any frustration I had was more a feeling that Wenger was taking the cheap option and that this was an essential part of his process. Which must have mad this sentence from Ozil so annoying for Wenger:

“He told me exactly how he saw me, how he wanted to use me and what he expected of me.

“I would have even joined Arsenal for free,”

[armchair]

There's absolutely no doubt that each and every one of us was crying out for a quality DM.
Flamini is exactly the type of player we have be em missing for years. He is offering us something that no other Arsenal player is able to bring.

We need Flamini - Flamini needs us. Good.

We are a better, more balanced squad with better competition for places and more options with Flamini.

WTF is the problem?

Firstly, I think you're getting some issues conflated. Although quite a few people have expressed disdain towards him off the top of my head it's only perhaps Augie who has said they don't want him here full stop. I'm still harbouring some bitterness towards him and I think some of the evaluations of his performance on here have been wildly exaggerative but that's not to say I don't want him in the squad if he's going to offer us plenty.

Secondly, are you deliberately trying to hijack the thread? The people who have various reservations about or dislike towards him have made their reasoning perfectly clear over the last several pages of the topic. The end of your post isn't going to foster any useful debate or elicit any responses that haven't already been posted. Either go back and read people's previous posts or continue your argument with SteveO by PM if you're that desperate to.

Serious question mate. I fail to see the problem with Flamini for reasons I've already explained. I'll definitely take your "suggestions" on board about PM's etc. thanks.
Keep up the modding though. You'd make an excellent mod.

[northbank123]

There's absolutely no doubt that each and every one of us was crying out for a quality DM.
Flamini is exactly the type of player we have be em missing for years. He is offering us something that no other Arsenal player is able to bring.

We need Flamini - Flamini needs us. Good.

We are a better, more balanced squad with better competition for places and more options with Flamini.

WTF is the problem?

Firstly, I think you're getting some issues conflated. Although quite a few people have expressed disdain towards him off the top of my head it's only perhaps Augie who has said they don't want him here full stop. I'm still harbouring some bitterness towards him and I think some of the evaluations of his performance on here have been wildly exaggerative but that's not to say I don't want him in the squad if he's going to offer us plenty.

Secondly, are you deliberately trying to hijack the thread? The people who have various reservations about or dislike towards him have made their reasoning perfectly clear over the last several pages of the topic. The end of your post isn't going to foster any useful debate or elicit any responses that haven't already been posted. Either go back and read people's previous posts or continue your argument with SteveO by PM if you're that desperate to.

Serious question mate. I fail to see the problem with Flamini for reasons I've already explained. I'll definitely take your "suggestions" on board about PM's etc. thanks.
Keep up the modding though. You'd make an excellent mod.

You obviously disagree with them - which is absolutely fine - but you can hardly make out that those people who have a problem with him haven't put their reasons forward at length on a number of recent occasions on this thread, as you full well know given that you've been posting on it. If you have somehow managed to not take any of it in then have a scroll back fella.