Jack Wilshere

[p206ab]

".... If I went to Spain and lived there for five years I am not going to play for Spain"

If or when?

[DB10GOONER]

Footballer makes dullard remarks shocker!!



No problem with his statement tbh as it got to a silly level with Oireland under Charlton where if you owned an Oirish Setter you qualified!

But those are really stupid outdated remarks about "foreigners" and the "brave English" as if being a scrappy player is something to treasure ahead of technical ability. Unfortunately that view encapsulates exactly why Ingerland haven't won the world cup since 66 and never will until they improve the technical ability of their players.

This "put down" of the Irish national team used to really really piss me off mainly because of the total and absolute hypocrisy of it all - the piss taking was initiated by the media uk and for me they totally ignored the numerous examples similar situations in english sport and it was largely used to belittle the Irish teams "achievements" under Big Jack. I never really had a problem with the grandparent rule as long as players didnt use playing for Ireland as some sort of consolation price/last resort. We had players like townsend, houghton and big Mick McCarthy who would have run through brick walls whilst representing us and I contrast that to the attitude of wankers like keane and stephen ireland who are born and bred Irish but who treated the national team like they were above it

I can understand the logic of england wanting only english players (surely a country of it's size should be able to produce 20+ players of the required level) but I can never understand the logic (on sunday supplement frequently of late) that the english manager should always be english - shouldnt the main requirement be that the best man gets the job ? It's a well accepted fact in england that you dont produce enough quality coaches so why narrow your options, especially to a culture that prioritises "passion" over technique ?

100% Augie, we have some great memories of Big Jack's time as manager, ones which will probably never be repeated. I always remember a headline in the Daily Mirror after we beat Ingerland in the euros "Forty Shades of Green Around the Gills" accompanied by a pic of Charlton and an article slating him as basically a traitor. But then they never did "like it up em"
Other countries have been more than willing to have players from other countries represent them in various sports. None more so than England, particularly in cricket, even when sportsmen from South Africa were banned from international sport because of the apartheid regime, the MCC were to their shame willing to offer them an opportunity to represent England.

Oh don't get me wrong, I fucking loved Charlton's reign and those Scots and Ingerlish "rejects" [(c) The Sun] served us well and gave everything. But what started as the "Granny rule" got silly when we had Catcha-rhino playing and he didn't even qualify at all!

Also the Ingerlish media don't really get the 2nd and 3rd generation Oirish thing. We are like the Italians in that. In the states you have millions that class themselves as Oirish American or Italian American but none that would call themselves Ingerlish American or British American.

[officepest]

Also the Ingerlish media don't really get the 2nd and 3rd generation Oirish thing. We are like the Italians in that. In the states you have millions that class themselves as Oirish American or Italian American but none that would call themselves Ingerlish American or British American.

Yeah that's strange, especially considering the huge amount of the US population that have British ancestry. It must have something to do with the Revolutionary War, oh, and perhaps the 1812 war too.

England, the Milwall of the World, unless the US needs a "coallition of the willing" again.

[augie]

Also the Ingerlish media don't really get the 2nd and 3rd generation Oirish thing. We are like the Italians in that. In the states you have millions that class themselves as Oirish American or Italian American but none that would call themselves Ingerlish American or British American.

Yeah that's strange, especially considering the huge amount of the US population that have British ancestry. It must have something to do with the Revolutionary War, oh, and perhaps the 1812 war too.

England, the Milwall of the World, unless the US needs a "coallition of the willing" again.

Nah, I just think it is because no-one likes ye

[goonersid]

Also the Ingerlish media don't really get the 2nd and 3rd generation Oirish thing. We are like the Italians in that. In the states you have millions that class themselves as Oirish American or Italian American but none that would call themselves Ingerlish American or British American.

Yeah that's strange, especially considering the huge amount of the US population that have British ancestry. It must have something to do with the Revolutionary War, oh, and perhaps the 1812 war too.

England, the Milwall of the World, unless the US needs a "coallition of the willing" again.

Nah, I just think it is because no-one likes ye

They don't ?

[officepest]

For every Cromwell, Mosely or Rothermere there's a Churchill, Newton or Wilberforce - surely we've evened out the historical twatishness by now?

Pleeeeeeeeeeease like us, we're just sensitive, misunderstood souls.

[officepest]

Also the Ingerlish media don't really get the 2nd and 3rd generation Oirish thing. We are like the Italians in that. In the states you have millions that class themselves as Oirish American or Italian American but none that would call themselves Ingerlish American or British American.

Yeah that's strange, especially considering the huge amount of the US population that have British ancestry. It must have something to do with the Revolutionary War, oh, and perhaps the 1812 war too.

England, the Milwall of the World, unless the US needs a "coallition of the willing" again.

Nah, I just think it is because no-one likes ye

Racist

[safcftm]

I can understand the logic of england wanting only english players (surely a country of it's size should be able to produce 20+ players of the required level) but I can never understand the logic (on sunday supplement frequently of late) that the english manager should always be english - shouldnt the main requirement be that the best man gets the job ? It's a well accepted fact in england that you dont produce enough quality coaches so why narrow your options, especially to a culture that prioritises "passion" over technique ?

I don't believe in foreign managers of the England team personally. I think the England team should be just that, a whole team which is made of the best English people we can get. That means it should be the best English players, coached by the best English coaches and managed by the best English manager (or the best one that will accept the job). That, for me, is the whole point of international football. Yes we could be worse due to having an English manager when there are better foreigners (who still fail anyway) but that's fine by me, if we're shit we're shit, but I think international teams should be the best players, coaches and managers from the nation, not just the best players and however many foreign coaches you can afford. Obviously foreign coaches are allowed but its something I'd change if FIFA were ever daft enough to put me in charge.

[safcftm]

Nah, I just think it is because no-one likes ye

Indeed they don't. Terrible thing, jealousy

[1989]

How does Jack feel about Ivorian born Zaha playing for England then? Or Berahino for the U-21's, or Muamba before him?

[goonertux]

Forget all the international bullshit! Who cares? Friday is gonna be another bore-fest anyway. Back to the subject of this thread - get behind Wilshere FFS cos he could be something special.

[safcftm]

How does Jack feel about Ivorian born Zaha playing for England then? Or Berahino for the U-21's, or Muamba before him?

Despite what he said he'd probably have no problem with Zaha, Berahino or Muamba, but would draw the line at Januzaj. That would be the sensible approach anyway.

[1989]

How does Jack feel about Ivorian born Zaha playing for England then? Or Berahino for the U-21's, or Muamba before him?

Despite what he said he'd probably have no problem with Zaha, Berahino or Muamba, but would draw the line at Januzaj. That would be the sensible approach anyway.

Why draw the line at Januzaj? If he accepts the aforementioned 3 playing for England, despite all of them being born elsewhere and therefore in his eyes not 'true' Englishmen, then surely he shouldn't have any problems with Januzaj either?

These comments just add to my growing suspicion of Jack being incredibly thick.

[safcftm]

How does Jack feel about Ivorian born Zaha playing for England then? Or Berahino for the U-21's, or Muamba before him?

Despite what he said he'd probably have no problem with Zaha, Berahino or Muamba, but would draw the line at Januzaj. That would be the sensible approach anyway.

Why draw the line at Januzaj? If he accepts the aforementioned 3 playing for England, despite all of them being born elsewhere and therefore in his eyes not 'true' Englishmen, then surely he shouldn't have any problems with Januzaj either?

These comments just add to my growing suspicion of Jack being incredibly thick.

If its the same as me I think there's a massive difference. The lads you mentioned moved here when young, Zaha was only 4 when he came here and the other 2 moved to seek asylum. England took the latter two in and ensured their safety, they spent a lot of their formative years here and became men in this country. They'd be proud to represent the country that took them in and gave them safety. Not sure why Zaha's family moved here but whatever the reason he's been here since being a toddler, all of his education came in England, he knows nothing else, as far as I'm concerned he's English.

Januzaj, however, didn't move early in his life and he certainly didn't come here to escape persecution and to ensure his safety, he moved so that he could become a professional footballer for Manchester United at the age of 15. That's where I draw the line personally.

[augie]

I can understand the logic of england wanting only english players (surely a country of it's size should be able to produce 20+ players of the required level) but I can never understand the logic (on sunday supplement frequently of late) that the english manager should always be english - shouldnt the main requirement be that the best man gets the job ? It's a well accepted fact in england that you dont produce enough quality coaches so why narrow your options, especially to a culture that prioritises "passion" over technique ?

I don't believe in foreign managers of the England team personally. I think the England team should be just that, a whole team which is made of the best English people we can get. That means it should be the best English players, coached by the best English coaches and managed by the best English manager (or the best one that will accept the job). That, for me, is the whole point of international football. Yes we could be worse due to having an English manager when there are better foreigners (who still fail anyway) but that's fine by me, if we're shit we're shit, but I think international teams should be the best players, coaches and managers from the nation, not just the best players and however many foreign coaches you can afford. Obviously foreign coaches are allowed but its something I'd change if FIFA were ever daft enough to put me in charge.

If ??