As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
nut flush gooner wrote:
So your response is to have a pop at someone's spelling. As you choose to take an elitist approach do you have GCSE English, I bet you don't.
First of all - I guarantee you would lose that bet!! Secondly, I also had a pop at your rational, which I said was incoherent and which you confirm by making the following argument...
nut flush gooner wrote:The only England fans that have a problem with a players origin are those that are on the fringes of the far right.
Seriously, how old or ignorant are you?
nut flush gooner wrote:Your retarded point about the point of internationals and origins of players doesn't seem to cause any problems with cricket does it, we have had players of south African origin playing for us for decades.
Retarded point? Fuck me, if you can't see the reason and logic in that argument then you must be every bit as stupid as you are appearing on here. And as I pointed out in an earlier post, just because other countries and sports do it, doesn't make it right!!
nut flush gooner wrote:Lets go back to Wilshere, he's already backtracked on his original tweet after Kevin Pietersen had a pop at him. Perhaps Jack needs to go on a communications skills course. As for England, if these players do decide to play for us and we end up winning something I don't think this sort of discussion would get off the ground. Funny how fickle the football world is ehhhh?
Is this the same Kevin Pietersen that only 'chose' to play for England when he couldn't get into the South African set-up? Oh, and the only people showing 'fickleness' are those that are prepared to let anyone play for the national team as long as they help it get success.
LOL actually theres a typo in the initials GCSE, it was meant to say GCE O' Level. Anyone can pass a GCSE, its a totally inferior qualification when compared with its predecessor the O'Level where if you get a grade D or E its a fail.
I really cant be bothered to argue with you, but to say Pietersen couldn't get into the SA team is complete bollocks. I wonder where you get all this crap from. Wilshere was ill informed to make those comments.
PS nice use of the emoticons, did you get a GCSE at that as well?
nut flush gooner wrote:
I really cant be bothered to argue with you, but to say Pietersen couldn't get into the SA team is complete bollocks. I wonder where you get all this crap from. Wilshere was ill informed to make those comments.
Pietersen COULDN'T get into the SA team though. As a fairly young player at Natal he was a middle-to-lower order batsman and predominantly an off-spinner - and they brought in a black lower-order front-line off-spinner, who was obviously going to be a banker given their quota system. The writing was on the wall for Pietersen at provincial level, never mind getting anywhere near the full side.
Stack this up against somebody like Trott who represented the Saffers at just about every junior level and would almost certainly have got a shot in their Test side had to chosen not to play for England instead.
If it looks, sounds, walks, thinks and especially feels like an Englishman it's probably an Englishman, irrespective of creed or colour. For this reason I'm happy with the Mo Farahs, Zahas etc, but people like Pietersen, Trott etc are completely different. Born and raised in SA, they learnt their sport in SA and wanted to play for SA. Only when this didn't happen did they consider playing for England. Do they truly feel English? Personally, I doubt it. KP even sent texts to his SA buddies slagging off his English teammates and suggesting how to get Strauss (another import) out.
We should really question the motives and commitment of people who want to play for a country other than the one they believe they are a national of.
Pietersen IS A Yarpie cant who should have been deported after he betrayed his England collagues to his Native countryman ,one of the very few people I would like to shit on,on sight along with piers morgan and nathan dyer !
Herd wrote:Pietersen IS A Yarpie cant who should have been deported after he betrayed his England collagues to his Native countryman ,one of the very few people I would like to shit on,on sight along with piers morgan and nathan dyer !
I've never understood this porno fascination with shitting. Would a handjob or a blowy not suffice?
Herd wrote:Pietersen IS A Yarpie cant who should have been deported after he betrayed his England collagues to his Native countryman ,one of the very few people I would like to shit on,on sight along with piers morgan and nathan dyer !
Can I add Mike Dean to the list of people who should be shat upon.
Herd wrote:Pietersen IS A Yarpie cant who should have been deported after he betrayed his England collagues to his Native countryman ,one of the very few people I would like to shit on,on sight along with piers morgan and nathan dyer !
Can I add Mike Dean to the list of people who should be shat upon.
don't mean to be picky but yarpie = Jappie
and you're right by the way
Blimey! JW has obviously upset a lot of people. TWO threads now devoted to slagging him off. There is a lot of truth in the whole Ingerland bullshit rubbing off on him when he's with the other braindeads during an international get-together. But give him a break FFS!
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I think you should only be able to play for England (or any nation actually) if you were born in that nation, and have lived there for a certain amount of time after birth to at least speak that countries language, so lets say two years. However, there is now a problem because some children may move to another country in less than two years after birth, so maybe this wouldn't work.
I can see where Jack is coming from tbh. When you have players from OTHER countries coming over to different countries even though they have NOTHING to do with that nation, then what is the point in national football? It will just end up becoming like club football where players will want to go to the footballing nations, leaving other nations behind because they are losing out on talent as players would rather play for another country.
I will admit Jack has made a massive mistake by making this viewpoint out in the open, and if there is one thing you dont do, it's say this within the ears of sports journalists, as they will now just spin this into some massive story, even though there are millions over the world who will agree with what he has said.
nut flush gooner wrote:
LOL actually theres a typo in the initials GCSE, it was meant to say GCE O' Level. Anyone can pass a GCSE, its a totally inferior qualification when compared with its predecessor the O'Level where if you get a grade D or E its a fail.
So you make such a basic mistake while trying to have a go at me and then try and claim I wasn't intelligent enough? Can you not see the irony in that?
nut flush gooner wrote:I really cant be bothered to argue with you, but to say Pietersen couldn't get into the SA team is complete bollocks. I wonder where you get all this crap from. Wilshere was ill informed to make those comments.
PS nice use of the emoticons, did you get a GCSE at that as well?
Can't be bothered or factually and intellectually incapable? You are right, it's best you don't carry it on because thus far you've proven to be way out of your depth!!
You can say whatever the fuck you like, but his comments are racist end of.
By law someone is entitled to apply to take on that country's nationality after they have lived their legally for x amount of years.
Who the fuck does this trumped up little shit think he is to say or suggest otherwise, maybe he is worried that if any decent foreign players where to take up this option, then "he" not being really all that good, may find he is no longer the "great white hope" of English football.
Willshire. wilshire or whatever the fuck it is, I don't really give a fuck how he spells it, needs to learn to keep his stupid fucking mouth shut and start to do his talking on the bastard football field, alas that seems to be beyond him at the moment.
He is becoming a fucking well embarrassment, and I doubt whether he is smart enough to learn any different.
It shouldn't be limited to birth only. For example my brother and sister were born in England but to a Welsh mother and a father who lived in Wales for all but a few months of his life. They moved to Wales as toddlers and to suggest that they're not Welsh would be absurd.
You can consider yourself to be a nationality based on birth, residence and descendency, and for me it will always be a bit of a value judgement. There will be cases where people quite reasonably disagree and there is a debate to be had but this isn't one of those cases: the guy can't possibly consider himself to be English so for me there's no issue to even consider.
Ryanswannell wrote:I think you should only be able to play for England (or any nation actually) if you were born in that nation, and have lived there for a certain amount of time after birth to at least speak that countries language, so lets say two years. However, there is now a problem because some children may move to another country in less than two years after birth, so maybe this wouldn't work.
I see where you are coming from, but its far too complex really, some live here for years and cant speak the language, doubt if many Welsh or Scottish players can speak or even be aware of the lingo. The birth one too is tricky as lifes a lot more cosmopolitan than that these days, almost all sports stars train around the world now too- its a bit of a nightmare- surprised that Zola Budds not been mentioned yet, and what about Greg Rusedtski or Lennox Lewis.
I can see where Jack is coming from tbh. When you have players from OTHER countries coming over to different countries even though they have NOTHING to do with that nation, then what is the point in national football? It will just end up becoming like club football where players will want to go to the footballing nations, leaving other nations behind because they are losing out on talent as players would rather play for another country.
Agreed!
I will admit Jack has made a massive mistake by making this viewpoint out in the open, and if there is one thing you dont do, it's say this within the ears of sports journalists, as they will now just spin this into some massive story, even though there are millions over the world who will agree with what he has said.
I think thats a very sad comment really, in that basically what you are saying is that anyone in the spotlight cant say what they think. It is the media that whip things up now, all shame to them, (as well as forums )
Thats where politics has gone SO SO wrong, they all speak to the crappy message- all we hear at the moment is "hard working families" what cr*p, there arent too many non hard working families. Same with "fairness" who is all out for unfairness I miss the people who say what they think- love em or hate em, rather than grey mealey mouth twaddle.
Jack is raising a good point, and it sure needs discussing. I am though not sure if what he said is being really transmitted as he meant it, no change there with the media...
One problem is the rules vary from sport to sport, thats not right, same rules for all, but what chance is there of that.
Secondly, I also had a pop at your rational, which I said was incoherent and which you confirm by making the following argument...
