THE WENGER THREAD

[augie]

But how many people have actually said "keep him on because of this good run"? I struggle to recall one tbh... What some people have said is keep him on if he wins the PL. At the end of the day the number one criteria for a successful manager in the PL is to win the PL. Does it really matter who the fuck that manager is? Really? Are some on here so embittered against Wenger they'd rather not win the PL at all rather than see Wenger win the PL with Arsenal? Really? That, to me, is ludicrous.

Now, before the doom mongers have a heart attack, I will qualify that by saying I do not believe for one minute Arsene will ever win a major trophy ever again, at least not at Arsenal. He is a spent force. His ego dictates his gameplan, he will not and cannot admit he has gotten it wrong with tippy tappy, and I still want him out. But I can be adult enough to also admit we've had a good run, albeit temporarily - that doesn't mean I am now an AKB. FFS there is no harm in giving credit where it's due.

And yes I agree with Lefty - if (IF) Wenger won the PL this year I'd be ok with him getting another year. After all he would have done what is ultimately asked of him. But of course it's never going to come to that.

There are several people on here (and I do see this place as a fair reflection of the larger Gooner army) who have openly stated that they are beginning to change their opinion on wenker and see the signing of ozil as an indication of a u turn by him and the club.....how fcuking naïve is that ? I would appeal to these people to look at the bigger picture (easy fixture list, lack of suitable tactical plan/formation, the practise of still playing players out of position, the total and utter failure to address the team shortcomings in the transfer window etc) but really what is the point ?

I get the fact that people do want some hope to cling onto - as much as I still believe that signing ozil wasn't the right decision in the transfer window (not a priority position imo), I still love the fact that we have a genuine world class talent in our team again The problem however, is that signing ozil cannot fix all the problems and I truly believe that signing a world class striker in January wont get us to the promised land again because (a) he will arrive too late to make up the ground lost in the meantime and (b) we will still have the same failings with tactics, management and weak mentality

Finally for those that are in uncontrollable joy at our current position and form can I point out that at the mo we are 2 points ahead of Southampton and just 4 ahead of hull and neither will be anywhere near those European places come next may - if that doesn't re-align your sense of perspective then nothing will

[Sam59]

well we played better against Napoli - who aren't by any means a poor side, despite their showing on the night - than any Arsenal team I've seen for many years, so credit where it's due. The team has finally got team spirit and confidence.
However it is Wenger's fault that up front we lack depth and (his favourite word) quality. Apart from Ozil, the transfer window was massively mismanaged.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

But how many people have actually said "keep him on because of this good run"? I struggle to recall one tbh... What some people have said is keep him on if he wins the PL. At the end of the day the number one criteria for a successful manager in the PL is to win the PL. Does it really matter who the fuck that manager is? Really? Are some on here so embittered against Wenger they'd rather not win the PL at all rather than see Wenger win the PL with Arsenal? Really? That, to me, is ludicrous.

Now, before the doom mongers have a heart attack, I will qualify that by saying I do not believe for one minute Arsene will ever win a major trophy ever again, at least not at Arsenal. He is a spent force. His ego dictates his gameplan, he will not and cannot admit he has gotten it wrong with tippy tappy, and I still want him out. But I can be adult enough to also admit we've had a good run, albeit temporarily - that doesn't mean I am now an AKB. FFS there is no harm in giving credit where it's due.

And yes I agree with Lefty - if (IF) Wenger won the PL this year I'd be ok with him getting another year. After all he would have done what is ultimately asked of him. But of course it's never going to come to that.

There are several people on here (and I do see this place as a fair reflection of the larger Gooner army) who have openly stated that they are beginning to change their opinion on wenker and see the signing of ozil as an indication of a u turn by him and the club.....how fcuking naïve is that ? I would appeal to these people to look at the bigger picture (easy fixture list, lack of suitable tactical plan/formation, the practise of still playing players out of position, the total and utter failure to address the team shortcomings in the transfer window etc) but really what is the point ?

I get the fact that people do want some hope to cling onto - as much as I still believe that signing ozil wasn't the right decision in the transfer window (not a priority position imo), I still love the fact that we have a genuine world class talent in our team again The problem however, is that signing ozil cannot fix all the problems and I truly believe that signing a world class striker in January wont get us to the promised land again because (a) he will arrive too late to make up the ground lost in the meantime and (b) we will still have the same failings with tactics, management and weak mentality

Finally for those that are in uncontrollable joy at our current position and form can I point out that at the mo we are 2 points ahead of Southampton and just 4 ahead of hull and neither will be anywhere near those European places come next may - if that doesn't re-align your sense of perspective then nothing will

But do you want us to win the league under Wenger?

If he did win it (highly unlikely we all know that) how would you feel about that?

Would you not want him to win the league because that would guarantee another long contract extension (that he will probably get anyway).

Put it another way, IF it was a choice between a) him winning the league this season and being given a contract extension or b) not winning the league and him leaving in the summer next year.

Which would you take.....

[Top Londoner]

...........whilst the going s good, WENGER OUT

[SteveO 35]

But how many people have actually said "keep him on because of this good run"? I struggle to recall one tbh... What some people have said is keep him on if he wins the PL. At the end of the day the number one criteria for a successful manager in the PL is to win the PL. Does it really matter who the fuck that manager is? Really? Are some on here so embittered against Wenger they'd rather not win the PL at all rather than see Wenger win the PL with Arsenal? Really? That, to me, is ludicrous.

Now, before the doom mongers have a heart attack, I will qualify that by saying I do not believe for one minute Arsene will ever win a major trophy ever again, at least not at Arsenal. He is a spent force. His ego dictates his gameplan, he will not and cannot admit he has gotten it wrong with tippy tappy, and I still want him out. But I can be adult enough to also admit we've had a good run, albeit temporarily - that doesn't mean I am now an AKB. FFS there is no harm in giving credit where it's due.

And yes I agree with Lefty - if (IF) Wenger won the PL this year I'd be ok with him getting another year. After all he would have done what is ultimately asked of him. But of course it's never going to come to that.

There are several people on here (and I do see this place as a fair reflection of the larger Gooner army) who have openly stated that they are beginning to change their opinion on wenker and see the signing of ozil as an indication of a u turn by him and the club.....how fcuking naïve is that ? I would appeal to these people to look at the bigger picture (easy fixture list, lack of suitable tactical plan/formation, the practise of still playing players out of position, the total and utter failure to address the team shortcomings in the transfer window etc) but really what is the point ?

I get the fact that people do want some hope to cling onto - as much as I still believe that signing ozil wasn't the right decision in the transfer window (not a priority position imo), I still love the fact that we have a genuine world class talent in our team again The problem however, is that signing ozil cannot fix all the problems and I truly believe that signing a world class striker in January wont get us to the promised land again because (a) he will arrive too late to make up the ground lost in the meantime and (b) we will still have the same failings with tactics, management and weak mentality

Finally for those that are in uncontrollable joy at our current position and form can I point out that at the mo we are 2 points ahead of Southampton and just 4 ahead of hull and neither will be anywhere near those European places come next may - if that doesn't re-align your sense of perspective then nothing will

Aren't we 5 points down on the tally that we took from the corresponding matches last season ?

[augie]

But how many people have actually said "keep him on because of this good run"? I struggle to recall one tbh... What some people have said is keep him on if he wins the PL. At the end of the day the number one criteria for a successful manager in the PL is to win the PL. Does it really matter who the fuck that manager is? Really? Are some on here so embittered against Wenger they'd rather not win the PL at all rather than see Wenger win the PL with Arsenal? Really? That, to me, is ludicrous.

Now, before the doom mongers have a heart attack, I will qualify that by saying I do not believe for one minute Arsene will ever win a major trophy ever again, at least not at Arsenal. He is a spent force. His ego dictates his gameplan, he will not and cannot admit he has gotten it wrong with tippy tappy, and I still want him out. But I can be adult enough to also admit we've had a good run, albeit temporarily - that doesn't mean I am now an AKB. FFS there is no harm in giving credit where it's due.

And yes I agree with Lefty - if (IF) Wenger won the PL this year I'd be ok with him getting another year. After all he would have done what is ultimately asked of him. But of course it's never going to come to that.

There are several people on here (and I do see this place as a fair reflection of the larger Gooner army) who have openly stated that they are beginning to change their opinion on wenker and see the signing of ozil as an indication of a u turn by him and the club.....how fcuking naïve is that ? I would appeal to these people to look at the bigger picture (easy fixture list, lack of suitable tactical plan/formation, the practise of still playing players out of position, the total and utter failure to address the team shortcomings in the transfer window etc) but really what is the point ?

I get the fact that people do want some hope to cling onto - as much as I still believe that signing ozil wasn't the right decision in the transfer window (not a priority position imo), I still love the fact that we have a genuine world class talent in our team again The problem however, is that signing ozil cannot fix all the problems and I truly believe that signing a world class striker in January wont get us to the promised land again because (a) he will arrive too late to make up the ground lost in the meantime and (b) we will still have the same failings with tactics, management and weak mentality

Finally for those that are in uncontrollable joy at our current position and form can I point out that at the mo we are 2 points ahead of Southampton and just 4 ahead of hull and neither will be anywhere near those European places come next may - if that doesn't re-align your sense of perspective then nothing will

But do you want us to win the league under Wenger?

If he did win it (highly unlikely we all know that) how would you feel about that?

Would you not want him to win the league because that would guarantee another long contract extension (that he will probably get anyway).

Put it another way, IF it was a choice between a) him winning the league this season and being given a contract extension or b) not winning the league and him leaving in the summer next year.

Which would you take.....

Obviously highly hypothetical question because, like you I believe that we wont win the league and wenker will get an extension anyway ( ) BUT at the end of the day I am a Gooner first and foremost and I will always celebrate any AFC glory. That being said, I would be a liar if I stated that my enjoyment wouldn't be severely tempered if that success was the reason for awarding the old c*** a contract extension because I firmly believe that, in the long run, the interests of the club (on the pitch) would be best served if there was a change in management. I am and always will be a Gooner - I was a Gooner before wenker came along and will be a Gooner long after he fcuks back to banging that tart in paris so AFC and not wenker or mine own feelings come first

[kiwomya]

...........whilst the going s good, WENGER OUT

Whilst the goings good?

[augie]

...........whilst the going s good, WENGER OUT

Whilst the goings good?

[foxinthebox2001]

http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/10/arsene-we ... d-4141718/

He will be here forever, like it or not.

[SteveO 35]

I must admit I'm in exactly the same camp here as Augie

As recently as 2010 we were top in March after beating West Ham and everything came crashing down around us before eventually finishing a distant 3rd

I don't see the squad any stronger in most positions now than it was then and all of that is down to Wenger.

Yes, yes under extreme fan pressure and because of the Villa disaster he finally signed one genuinely world class player when the funds had been there to add at least one player of Ozil's calibre in each of the previous 3 years at least.

In the midfield area we are extremely well stocked but to be honest we have been through most of Wenger's reign (albeit it I will admit that now it is probably the strongest its been for several years)

In goal, up front and at centre half we are threadbare and it will be a case of what might have been. If we successfully get through Christmas still around top spot and won the CL group, I might dare to believe once more because at that point we'd have successfully got past the class act in the Group in Dortmund and have played all of the genuine title contenders. Sadly I fear a post Old Trafford collapse and have done for some time

[OneBardGooner]

I must admit I'm in exactly the same camp here as Augie

As recently as 2010 we were top in March after beating West Ham and everything came crashing down around us before eventually finishing a distant 3rd

I don't see the squad any stronger in most positions now than it was then and all of that is down to Wenger.

Yes, yes under extreme fan pressure and because of the Villa disaster he finally signed one genuinely world class player when the funds had been there to add at least one player of Ozil's calibre in each of the previous 3 years at least.

In the midfield area we are extremely well stocked but to be honest we have been through most of Wenger's reign (albeit it I will admit that now it is probably the strongest its been for several years)

In goal, up front and at centre half we are threadbare and it will be a case of what might have been. If we successfully get through Christmas still around top spot and won the CL group, I might dare to believe once more because at that point we'd have successfully got past the class act in the Group in Dortmund and have played all of the genuine title contenders. Sadly I fear a post Old Trafford collapse and have done for some time

Verrily you speaketh the truth SteveO.

But the BBQ's still going ahead isn't it...you know with the free beer & burgers!/ ...isn't it!?????

[SteveO 35]

I must admit I'm in exactly the same camp here as Augie

As recently as 2010 we were top in March after beating West Ham and everything came crashing down around us before eventually finishing a distant 3rd

I don't see the squad any stronger in most positions now than it was then and all of that is down to Wenger.

Yes, yes under extreme fan pressure and because of the Villa disaster he finally signed one genuinely world class player when the funds had been there to add at least one player of Ozil's calibre in each of the previous 3 years at least.

In the midfield area we are extremely well stocked but to be honest we have been through most of Wenger's reign (albeit it I will admit that now it is probably the strongest its been for several years)

In goal, up front and at centre half we are threadbare and it will be a case of what might have been. If we successfully get through Christmas still around top spot and won the CL group, I might dare to believe once more because at that point we'd have successfully got past the class act in the Group in Dortmund and have played all of the genuine title contenders. Sadly I fear a post Old Trafford collapse and have done for some time

Verrily you speaketh the truth SteveO.

But the BBQ's still going ahead isn't it...you know with the free beer & burgers!/ ...isn't it!?????

Only when our Lord and Master puts pen to paper and we have confirmation that the sun will continue to shine in the sky for at least another 3 years

[Robin_L]

Amazing the lengths the hardcore WOB'ers will goto to deny Wenger even the slightest bit of credit

"Aren't we 5 points down on last year from the same fixtures?"

[Chippy]

Amazing the lengths the hardcore WOB'ers will goto to deny Wenger even the slightest bit of credit

"Aren't we 5 points down on last year from the same fixtures?"

Credit for what?

[g88ner]

Amazing the lengths the hardcore WOB'ers will goto to deny Wenger even the slightest bit of credit

"Aren't we 5 points down on last year from the same fixtures?"

Credit for what?

He probably means credit for our results since March, I'd imagine. I think we've got more points in that period than anyone else in the league.

Credit where it's due really. Most people wouldn't have predicted it.

And "credit" doesn't mean you have to like the bloke or even think he's the right man for the job. It's just an acknowledgement that's all. Something some people seem loath to do which seems a little mean spirited to me.