Midfield Discussion - Sell Cazorla?

[augie]

g88ner I never used the world expendable - what I am saying is that I would rather have a proper wide player playing there (assuming that he has the required quality of course), than the prospect of playing another central midfield out wide

[Jago]

g88ner I never used the world expendable - what I am saying is that I would rather have a proper wide player playing there (assuming that he has the required quality of course), than the prospect of playing another central midfield out wide

You did

[g88ner]

g88ner I never used the world expendable - what I am saying is that I would rather have a proper wide player playing there (assuming that he has the required quality of course), than the prospect of playing another central midfield out wide

Sorry Augie, but you actually did mate...

Have to be honest here and admit that for me cazorla is now expendable

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[OneBardGooner]

I think augie is taking his reputation for being the forum's foremost 'radical thinker' a bit too seriously now.

Are you being serious !??

[1989]

Seeing as I am being seriously rounded on by others (nothing new there then ) let me quantify my remarks re selling cazorla - for me it is impossible to play both in the same team unless you shaft one out to the wings and I dont see how that can work. For starters we would be bringing an extra body into the middle which can only cut down the space for our main creator (ozil for me) to work his magic but as well as that, it will almost totally remove our width making it easier for teams to nullify us and will leave our full backs exposed when the opposition attacks. Personally I think that rotating ozil and cazorla would be a disaster as both players need to get into a flow to be at their best and I cannot see either being content with warming the bench (no matter how much money they are earning flamoney ).

I have never ever doubted cazorla's class and I remain a big fan but am totally opposed to putting square pegs in round holes (playing players out of position). As well as that, I do not see the point in having 2 world class players for one position whilst having ordinary/average players in other positions (strengthen the team before you strengthen the squad). I can understand some disagreeing with me but am surprised that all seem to think that there aire no merits to my suggestion

Pires-Bergkamp-Ljungberg
Nasri-Fabregas
Hazard-Mata-Oscar
Iniesta-Messi-Fabregas
Kagawa-Götze
Nasri-Silva

All of these combinations bore fruit for their clubs.
Case closed.

[augie]

g88ner I never used the world expendable - what I am saying is that I would rather have a proper wide player playing there (assuming that he has the required quality of course), than the prospect of playing another central midfield out wide

Sorry Augie, but you actually did mate...

Have to be honest here and admit that for me cazorla is now expendable

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[OneBardGooner]

[augie]

Seeing as I am being seriously rounded on by others (nothing new there then ) let me quantify my remarks re selling cazorla - for me it is impossible to play both in the same team unless you shaft one out to the wings and I dont see how that can work. For starters we would be bringing an extra body into the middle which can only cut down the space for our main creator (ozil for me) to work his magic but as well as that, it will almost totally remove our width making it easier for teams to nullify us and will leave our full backs exposed when the opposition attacks. Personally I think that rotating ozil and cazorla would be a disaster as both players need to get into a flow to be at their best and I cannot see either being content with warming the bench (no matter how much money they are earning flamoney ).

I have never ever doubted cazorla's class and I remain a big fan but am totally opposed to putting square pegs in round holes (playing players out of position). As well as that, I do not see the point in having 2 world class players for one position whilst having ordinary/average players in other positions (strengthen the team before you strengthen the squad). I can understand some disagreeing with me but am surprised that all seem to think that there aire no merits to my suggestion

Pires-Bergkamp-Ljungberg
Nasri-Fabregas
Hazard-Mata-Oscar
Iniesta-Messi-Fabregas
Kagawa-Götze
Nasri-Silva

All of these combinations bore fruit for their clubs.
Case closed.

Case Closed ? I don't fcuking think so - lets analyse your combinations more closely

Pires-Bergkamp-LjungbergHad a real genuine physical powerhouse in PV4 behind them
Nasri-Fabregas What fruit did they bore exactly ?
Hazard-Mata-Oscar Same as cesc and nasri but with an addition - the chavs will not win anything with those 3 in their first choice team because there is absolutely no balance to that team when all 3 play
Iniesta-Messi-Fabregas Played in a much less physical league with biscuits sitting behind them - it should also be pointed out that there were competing in what is effectively a 2 horse race
Kagawa-Götze For starters there were only in Dortmund together for the 2010/2011 season and in that team kagawa wasn't first choice and only made 18 league appearances (not starts mind). Again they played with a tough physical DM behind them in bender and were competing in a 2 horse race
Nasri-Silva Had a physical beast (de jong) and gareth barry behind them thus providing that much needed balance

I love the way you throw out combinations as a matter of fact and think that makes your beliefs right and mine wrong - total and utter arrogance

[QUARTZGOONER note: - easy Augie! Does not read like arrogance to me, just both of you putting forward opinions that you genuinely believe in.]

[QuartzGooner]

I cannot see why we would want to sell Cazorla?

Having spent five seasons yearning for strength in depth for our squad, we finally have it in midfield at least.
Baring in mind the way we play means players would swap positions during the game, and of course players from each option are interchangeable, my preferences for our attacking midfield selection would be:

Option one:

Ozil - Cazorla - Walcott


The two wide men have pace.
Ozil and Cazorla have genuine creativity and technical skill.
All three are goalscorers.


Option Two:

Podolski - Rosicky - Oxlade-Chamberlain


The Ox has pace and power.
Podolski has power and scores goals.
Rosicky has good technical ability and creativity.


Option Three:

Monreal - Zelalem - Gnabry


Solidity and defensive cover from Monreal.
Good creativity from Zelalem.
Pace and power from Gnabry.


Other Options:

Wilshere and Ramsey have been played in attacking midfield this season though I think both are better deeper.
If we do use them in attacking midfield, then Wilshere is best used centrally, Ramsey wide right.
Eisfeld is not in the regular first team squad, but he has looked good when I have seen him.
Miyaichi has not looked up to much so far wide midfield.
Bendtner - remote possibility he could be used wide right? Offers work rate and competent crossing.

[LDB]

Surely our lot have flamini and Ramsey doing the dog work for them?

[TurnipMasher]

I think we should see how they play together before making any rash judgements, but I certainly wouldn't sell Cazorla. For what its worth, if they click (and I think they will), I reckon they are going to rip the PL a new one

[northbank123]

Certainly wouldn't sell Cazorla but I do see where Augie's coming from in that I don't think we'll get the best out of him on the left wing. It's a nice problem to have but we have to be incredibly careful that Cazorla doesn't become somewhat marginalised.

[1989]

Seeing as I am being seriously rounded on by others (nothing new there then ) let me quantify my remarks re selling cazorla - for me it is impossible to play both in the same team unless you shaft one out to the wings and I dont see how that can work. For starters we would be bringing an extra body into the middle which can only cut down the space for our main creator (ozil for me) to work his magic but as well as that, it will almost totally remove our width making it easier for teams to nullify us and will leave our full backs exposed when the opposition attacks. Personally I think that rotating ozil and cazorla would be a disaster as both players need to get into a flow to be at their best and I cannot see either being content with warming the bench (no matter how much money they are earning flamoney ).

I have never ever doubted cazorla's class and I remain a big fan but am totally opposed to putting square pegs in round holes (playing players out of position). As well as that, I do not see the point in having 2 world class players for one position whilst having ordinary/average players in other positions (strengthen the team before you strengthen the squad). I can understand some disagreeing with me but am surprised that all seem to think that there aire no merits to my suggestion

Pires-Bergkamp-Ljungberg
Nasri-Fabregas
Hazard-Mata-Oscar
Iniesta-Messi-Fabregas
Kagawa-Götze
Nasri-Silva

All of these combinations bore fruit for their clubs.
Case closed.

Case Closed ? I don't fcuking think so - lets analyse your combinations more closely

Pires-Bergkamp-LjungbergHad a real genuine physical powerhouse in PV4 behind them
Nasri-Fabregas What fruit did they bore exactly ?
Hazard-Mata-Oscar Same as cesc and nasri but with an addition - the chavs will not win anything with those 3 in their first choice team because there is absolutely no balance to that team when all 3 play
Iniesta-Messi-Fabregas Played in a much less physical league with biscuits sitting behind them - it should also be pointed out that there were competing in what is effectively a 2 horse race
Kagawa-Götze For starters there were only in Dortmund together for the 2010/2011 season and in that team kagawa wasn't first choice and only made 18 league appearances (not starts mind). Again they played with a tough physical DM behind them in bender and were competing in a 2 horse race
Nasri-Silva Had a physical beast (de jong) and gareth barry behind them thus providing that much needed balance

I love the way you throw out combinations as a matter of fact and think that makes your beliefs right and mine wrong - total and utter arrogance

[QUARTZGOONER note: - easy Augie! Does not read like arrogance to me, just both of you putting forward opinions that you genuinely believe in.]

What is Flamini for you if not a 'tough physical DM'?

I'm not being arrogant, far from it. I just disagree with your view completely is all, and I've presented you with what I believe is a valid argument as to why I do so.

I couldn't careless about what leagues they play in, 2 horse races, or physical beasts. Fact is all these combinations worked for their teams. End of story.

Oh and Chelsea did win the Europa League with that combination last season.

[1989]

Surely our lot have flamini and Ramsey doing the dog work for them?

Maybe they're not physically tough enough for good ol' augsie.

Sell Cazorla - pure madness.

[SteveO 35]

Surely our lot have flamini and Ramsey doing the dog work for them?

Maybe they're not physically tough enough for good ol' augsie.

Sell Cazorla - pure madness.

I couldn't give a flying about Flamini, but selling Cazorla would be the most ridiculous decision since the Self Harmer destroyed our midfield in 2008