Flamini

[Arsenal Till I Die]

Is what Flamini did really that bad?

He left at the end of his employment with the club.

It's not his fault that our valuation of him didn't match his. It's not his fault we didn't try to renew his contract 18 months prior its end.

He didn't leave us in the shit, Wenger did. When Flamini left we could of gone and bought a DM as good as or better than Flamini but we didn't. Not HIS fault.

He's now back and busting a bollock on the pitch and its paying off.

Its not like he left us to play for the Scum, Manure or Chavski.

[1989]

Yet you have people defending Judas' move to them lot because apparently he deserved to win trophies and he was never getting them here with our ambitionless club.

What that *word censored* did was 10 times worse than Flamini running his contract out to go abroad.

[g88ner]

Yet you have people defending Judas' move to them lot because apparently he deserved to win trophies and he was never getting them here with our ambitionless club.

What that *word censored* did was 10 times worse than Flamini running his contract out to go abroad.

Nothing wrong with honoring your contract.

RVP did little wrong either.

Players come, players go. Shouldn't take it personally. We've signed countless players ourselves under similar circumstance as RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Famini, etc. left us. It's normal.

The truth is, many football fans are like children. They like getting their own way and throw the toys out the pram when it doesn't.

[Theoperator]

Yet you have people defending Judas' move to them lot because apparently he deserved to win trophies and he was never getting them here with our ambitionless club.

What that *word censored* did was 10 times worse than Flamini running his contract out to go abroad.

Nothing wrong with honoring your contract.

RVP did little wrong either.

Players come, players go. Shouldn't take it personally. We've signed countless players ourselves under similar circumstance as RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Famini, etc. left us. It's normal.

The truth is, many football fans are like children. They like getting their own way and throw the toys out the pram when it doesn't.

For me I guess its that RVP and NAsri went to title contenders and rub our noses in it ever week when we hear their names,

Cesc I can understand, as well as Flamoni.

RVP having spent several years in the dressing room comes good and fucks off- no wonder he pisses many off.

Reading the other post about injuries does make me wonder though for RVP as when he was injured the other week I thought thats it for the season and he was back the next week

Its about loyalty, and thats all but gone sadly

As for Cashly and Adeb, grrrrrrrrrrr

[g88ner]

Its about loyalty, and thats all but gone sadly

As for Cashly and Adeb, grrrrrrrrrrr

Yeah, that's a fair assessment.

That said, I'm not sure loyalty was all that special even years ago.... difference was, the clubs held all the power back then so players did what they were told more. Now they have freedom of choice, and choose to exercise it.

[1989]

Yet you have people defending Judas' move to them lot because apparently he deserved to win trophies and he was never getting them here with our ambitionless club.

What that *word censored* did was 10 times worse than Flamini running his contract out to go abroad.

Nothing wrong with honoring your contract.

RVP did little wrong either.

Players come, players go. Shouldn't take it personally. We've signed countless players ourselves under similar circumstance as RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Famini, etc. left us. It's normal.

The truth is, many football fans are like children. They like getting their own way and throw the toys out the pram when it doesn't.

The issue is not him leaving but him going to ManUre of all clubs. This is the same *word censored* who said he couldn't see himself in any other shirt than Arsenal's.

[g88ner]

Yet you have people defending Judas' move to them lot because apparently he deserved to win trophies and he was never getting them here with our ambitionless club.

What that *word censored* did was 10 times worse than Flamini running his contract out to go abroad.

Nothing wrong with honoring your contract.

RVP did little wrong either.

Players come, players go. Shouldn't take it personally. We've signed countless players ourselves under similar circumstance as RVP, Nasri, Cesc, Famini, etc. left us. It's normal.

The truth is, many football fans are like children. They like getting their own way and throw the toys out the pram when it doesn't.

The issue is not him leaving but him going to ManUre of all clubs. This is the same *word censored* who said he couldn't see himself in any other shirt than Arsenal's.

That's just something people say. I'm sure most players say something similar about a club at some point. Hell, I once said I'd love a girl forever... God know's where she is now. What a *word censored* I am, eh

Its human nature to try and say the right thing. I'm sure he meant it at the time, but it hardly matters. Things change. Hardly a crime.

At the end of the day, if you hang on to every word a footballer says (or anyone for that matter) then expect to be disappointed at some point. This isn't a fairy tale; it's the real world.

In fact, I reckon most of us have contradicted ourselves on this forum at some point. Does it really matter? nah. Footbllers aren't Gods; they're just flawed human beings like the rest of us.

[OneBardGooner]

F F S!!!!

ANYONE with an iota of grey matter knows that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% of modern day footballers are a bunch of tossers, they have no bottom line, no moral stance...they say they want Trophies, but they are just greedy *word censored* like 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% of the general public.

I called flamoney a right *word censored* when he left, partly due to the way he left, HOWEVER he wasn't wholly to blamer the club / board & wenker treated him like they treart most Non-big name players - like fodder...and so he decided to go for the money - £4million was his signing on fee...In all honesty I don't care...what I DO care about is how he performs on the pitch - whether he wears the Red & White of Arsenal with pride or not - I would take Flamini ANY Feckin' Day over the likes of the greedywhore *word censored* of *word censored* greedywhore...He has made a very significant difference ( and significance) to the team since he re-joined us. He Gives 100% unlike some of the other prima donna starlet greedy fame struck *word censored*....

If he helps us win a trophy or two then he's okay with me.

FFS!

[Glitch33]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Get over it....

Let's get all the mercenaries we can to win some trophies.

If they win some trophies they get more money and they stay in the hope of winning more trophies and getting more money.

Simples......

[g88ner]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Yeah, changing jobs for more money and/or career progression is something unique to these pesky footballers, isn't it? - I mean, you'd never ever ever see a teacher, fireman, engineer, landlord, postman, binman, etc. move jobs for better pay or career prospects, would you? ... no way! - no, lets focus on the footballers and turn a blind eye to the rest of the human race

[DB10GOONER]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Yeah, changing jobs for more money and/or career progression is something unique to these pesky footballers, isn't it? - I mean, you'd never ever ever see a teacher, fireman, engineer, landlord, postman, binman, etc. move jobs for better pay or career prospects, would you? ... no way! - no, lets focus on the footballers and turn a blind eye to the rest of the human race

With all due respect that is absolute bollocks g88ner. You seem to have appointed yourself as devil's advocate on this thread!

How can you compare footballers on 100K a week with a fireman or a teacher on a few hundred a week? Particularly firemen, the vast majority of whom risk their life for shit pay because it is a calling, a vocation. They are the polar opposite of greedy mercenary footballers who only think of themselves. Modern professional footballers are NOT like the rest of the human race. Fuck that. That is a ridiculous comparison. If you get paid 100K a week for what is essentially a hobby to the rest of us then I'm sorry you should be expected to make a couple of sacrifices and should be expected to be loyal to the fans whose money finances your millions.

RVJC is scum. He cannot be compared to any other Arsenal player. He spent 7 years contributing next to fuck all whilst we paid him millions fucking MILLIONS and after he has one great season he cashes it in and fucks off to Manure, a club Arsenal fans have a particular distaste for for many reasons including the cheating cunty way they robbed us of the 50th game. Suddenly our ambition didn't match his? Fucking bullshit. Why didn't our ambition match his in 2007 or 2009 or 2010 or 2011? I'll tell you why - he was always crocked and Manure would never have signed him in those seasons. Of all the Arsenal players that have been and gone RVJC was the only one that actually REALLY owed us and owed us bigtime.

Also, just because it is a fact that most modern footballers are greedy mercenary crunts doesn't make it acceptable.

[LDB]

Its about loyalty, and thats all but gone sadly

As for Cashly and Adeb, grrrrrrrrrrr

Yeah, that's a fair assessment.

That said, I'm not sure loyalty was all that special even years ago.... difference was, the clubs held all the power back then so players did what they were told more. Now they have freedom of choice, and choose to exercise it.

There was also less of an opportunity to seriously improve on your pay packet, often it wasn't even worth uprooting your family to move clubs. No 'global brands', no sugar daddy investors just clubs funded mostly by the saturday gate receipts from the local community. Simpler times

[SteveO 35]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Yeah, changing jobs for more money and/or career progression is something unique to these pesky footballers, isn't it? - I mean, you'd never ever ever see a teacher, fireman, engineer, landlord, postman, binman, etc. move jobs for better pay or career prospects, would you? ... no way! - no, lets focus on the footballers and turn a blind eye to the rest of the human race

With all due respect that is absolute bollocks g88ner. You seem to have appointed yourself as devil's advocate on this thread!

How can you compare footballers on 100K a week with a fireman or a teacher on a few hundred a week? Particularly firemen, the vast majority of whom risk their life for shit pay because it is a calling, a vocation. They are the polar opposite of greedy mercenary footballers who only think of themselves. Modern professional footballers are NOT like the rest of the human race. Fuck that. That is a ridiculous comparison. If you get paid 100K a week for what is essentially a hobby to the rest of us then I'm sorry you should be expected to make a couple of sacrifices and should be expected to be loyal to the fans whose money finances your millions.

RVJC is scum. He cannot be compared to any other Arsenal player. He spent 7 years contributing next to fuck all whilst we paid him millions fucking MILLIONS and after he has one great season he cashes it in and fucks off to Manure, a club Arsenal fans have a particular distaste for for many reasons including the cheating cunty way they robbed us of the 50th game. Suddenly our ambition didn't match his? Fucking bullshit. Why didn't our ambition match his in 2007 or 2009 or 2010 or 2011? I'll tell you why - he was always crocked and Manure would never have signed him in those seasons. Of all the Arsenal players that have been and gone RVJC was the only one that actually REALLY owed us and owed us bigtime.

Also, just because it is a fact that most modern footballers are greedy mercenary crunts doesn't make it acceptable.

How about Cashley Hole - the product of our youth system who had known nothing but success in his Arsenal career, who spent most of 05/06 being crocked only for Wenger to bring him back into the side for the CL final, but who nearly swerved his car off the road for a paltry £55k per week, before sodding off up the road to those crunts???

[OneBardGooner]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Yeah, changing jobs for more money and/or career progression is something unique to these pesky footballers, isn't it? - I mean, you'd never ever ever see a teacher, fireman, engineer, landlord, postman, binman, etc. move jobs for better pay or career prospects, would you? ... no way! - no, lets focus on the footballers and turn a blind eye to the rest of the human race

With all due respect that is absolute bollocks g88ner. You seem to have appointed yourself as devil's advocate on this thread!

How can you compare footballers on 100K a week with a fireman or a teacher on a few hundred a week? Particularly firemen, the vast majority of whom risk their life for shit pay because it is a calling, a vocation. They are the polar opposite of greedy mercenary footballers who only think of themselves. Modern professional footballers are NOT like the rest of the human race. Fuck that. That is a ridiculous comparison. If you get paid 100K a week for what is essentially a hobby to the rest of us then I'm sorry you should be expected to make a couple of sacrifices and should be expected to be loyal to the fans whose money finances your millions.

RVJC is scum. He cannot be compared to any other Arsenal player. He spent 7 years contributing next to fuck all whilst we paid him millions fucking MILLIONS and after he has one great season he cashes it in and fucks off to Manure, a club Arsenal fans have a particular distaste for for many reasons including the cheating cunty way they robbed us of the 50th game. Suddenly our ambition didn't match his? Fucking bullshit. Why didn't our ambition match his in 2007 or 2009 or 2010 or 2011? I'll tell you why - he was always crocked and Manure would never have signed him in those seasons. Of all the Arsenal players that have been and gone RVJC was the only one that actually REALLY owed us and owed us bigtime.

Also, just because it is a fact that most modern footballers are greedy mercenary crunts doesn't make it acceptable.

How about Cashley Hole - the product of our youth system who had known nothing but success in his Arsenal career, who spent most of 05/06 being crocked only for Wenger to bring him back into the side for the CL final, but who nearly swerved his car off the road for a paltry £55k per week, before sodding off up the road to those crunts???

Cashley's a whore *word censored* EVERYONE knows that.... The thing is I have had bosses who (in work) were absolute tyrannical utter scum *word censored*, I mean just complete *word censored* with NO redeeming factors) outside of work they were top blokes...seriously, they were 1000% different...they saw their job as needing to be done in a particular way - as directed by company policy and attitude etc...outside of work they were 'normal'(sic) But they were able to do that...many people cannot separate the two...just as some footballers can and some can't...

Some people/players are 100% *word censored* regardless of what they do or how they make their crust..Greedywhore being one such example...Okay so he maybe comes from a very impoverished background (education, living standards,home life etc) but he is a naturally unpleasant *word censored*....there are other people in life who have been dealt such atrocities in their lives - you'd expect them to be Evil Incarnate, and yet they rise above their past and all the injustices and evil they have suffered...

The likes of us Gooners (at least as far as I know) will never earn £100k a week...I feckin' wish - OH!!! how I wish...But who amongst us wouldn't jump at the chance to earn such moolah!?...it just depends on how some would and still keep their feet on the ground - others would change overnight - a bit like rockstars - some remain okay people, others it goes to their head and they end up thinking they're some kind of God - like Bono - whaaaaat a caaaant!.

[SteveO 35]

There is no such thing as loyalty amongst premiership footballers. It's all about the money, money, money.

Yeah, changing jobs for more money and/or career progression is something unique to these pesky footballers, isn't it? - I mean, you'd never ever ever see a teacher, fireman, engineer, landlord, postman, binman, etc. move jobs for better pay or career prospects, would you? ... no way! - no, lets focus on the footballers and turn a blind eye to the rest of the human race

With all due respect that is absolute bollocks g88ner. You seem to have appointed yourself as devil's advocate on this thread!

How can you compare footballers on 100K a week with a fireman or a teacher on a few hundred a week? Particularly firemen, the vast majority of whom risk their life for shit pay because it is a calling, a vocation. They are the polar opposite of greedy mercenary footballers who only think of themselves. Modern professional footballers are NOT like the rest of the human race. Fuck that. That is a ridiculous comparison. If you get paid 100K a week for what is essentially a hobby to the rest of us then I'm sorry you should be expected to make a couple of sacrifices and should be expected to be loyal to the fans whose money finances your millions.

RVJC is scum. He cannot be compared to any other Arsenal player. He spent 7 years contributing next to fuck all whilst we paid him millions fucking MILLIONS and after he has one great season he cashes it in and fucks off to Manure, a club Arsenal fans have a particular distaste for for many reasons including the cheating cunty way they robbed us of the 50th game. Suddenly our ambition didn't match his? Fucking bullshit. Why didn't our ambition match his in 2007 or 2009 or 2010 or 2011? I'll tell you why - he was always crocked and Manure would never have signed him in those seasons. Of all the Arsenal players that have been and gone RVJC was the only one that actually REALLY owed us and owed us bigtime.

Also, just because it is a fact that most modern footballers are greedy mercenary crunts doesn't make it acceptable.

How about Cashley Hole - the product of our youth system who had known nothing but success in his Arsenal career, who spent most of 05/06 being crocked only for Wenger to bring him back into the side for the CL final, but who nearly swerved his car off the road for a paltry £55k per week, before sodding off up the road to those crunts???

Cashley's a whore *word censored* EVERYONE knows that.... The thing is I have had bosses who (in work) were absolute tyrannical utter scum *word censored*, I mean just complete *word censored* with NO redeeming factors) outside of work they were top blokes...seriously, they were 1000% different...they saw their job as needing to be done in a particular way - as directed by company policy and attitude etc...outside of work they were 'normal'(sic) But they were able to do that...many people cannot separate the two...just as some footballers can and some can't...

Some people/players are 100% *word censored* regardless of what they do or how they make their crust..Greedywhore being one such example...Okay so he maybe comes from a very impoverished background (education, living standards,home life etc) but he is a naturally unpleasant *word censored*....there are other people in life who have been dealt such atrocities in their lives - you'd expect them to be Evil Incarnate, and yet they rise above their past and all the injustices and evil they have suffered...

The likes of us Gooners (at least as far as I know) will never earn £100k a week...I feckin' wish - OH!!! how I wish...But who amongst us wouldn't jump at the chance to earn such moolah!?...it just depends on how some would and still keep their feet on the ground - others would change overnight - a bit like rockstars - some remain okay people, others it goes to their head and they end up thinking they're some kind of God - like Bono - whaaaaat a caaaant!.

But I think DB10's point is that if you were lucky enough to earn 100k per week, doing something you loved for someone you supposedly loved, then would an extra 30k-50k per week really matter. I suppose to some it does and to some it doesn't. Someone like Matt Le Tissier back in the day had ample opportunity to go an double / treble his wages elsewhere, but chose to stick with Southampton because he loved it there and obviously thought he was already earning enough not to miss the difference

I think if I was on 5m a year and loving what I did, I would only need to work for 2-3 years max to be set up for life, so not sure the pursuit of an extra couple of million would make much difference