Is it just that they are scared of away fans?

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Is it just that they are scared of away fans?

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Arsenal Stewards that is!
I have been to four home games so far this season,P.L. and C.L.,and am watching the Bin Dippers getting a lesson as we speak,(on Sky).
Why is it that OUR stewards demand that WE sit down,(at the Viila game my mate was threatened with his Membership if he didn't),yet away fans seem free to do what they like?! :banghead:
I notice that at the moment,the "Victims" fans are nearly all standing up,with alot of them doing so in the "gangways",or whatever they call them.
They are the ones who bang on about safety post Hillsborough etc,so why aren't they setting an example,and why aren't our stewards helping them do so.....the same way that they are probably,(from my own,and my friends experience),telling them to "Sit Down Now!!!" :banghead:

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if it's other teams' fans we can blame their clubs, if it's our fans then we're held accountable by the fa
(i assume, it could well be that the club who's stadium it is is responsible no matter what, anyone know?)

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http://www.blackscarfafc.co.uk/view-fro ... k-end.html



about getting a better deal for fans, and that part of this is to get an enjoyable matchday experience for those going to matches, supporting the team. One of our initiatives is 'Bring Back The Clock End' - a move to get season tickets in that area of the stadium, providing a place for like-minded fans who want to make a noise and get loud, vocal support going.

With season tickets not valid for League Cup games, it gave us a good chance of trying to do something similar, i.e. get a good number of like-minded supporters together in the ground. We therefore invited BSM members to get involved, and asked that they buy tickets in blocks 19, 18 and 17 - close to the away fans and not shoved as far away as possible, as the club did with the REDsection.

The idea was greeted with real enthusiasm from our members, and it was great to hear that a good few hundred had managed to buy tickets in this area of the ground. It was all set up to be an enjoyable night and on the concourse before the game, the songs started. The mood was positive and upbeat, and I was looking forward to taking my place in the ground.

Walking into block 19 a few minutes before kick off, our fans in that area of the ground were already in good voice. Volume was increasing and the atmosphere was building nicely. Of course with 9,000 away fans to our left we were up against it and it would take a decent effort to make a dent. But for the first 10 or 15 minutes we held our own and had some good exchanges back and forth across the divide. I saw some good stuff from fans on Twitter talking about block 19 buzzing, and some Chelsea fans have told me today that it was vocal back and forth at the start. But then, it began.

All of a sudden there was a constant stream of stewards up and down the aisle, telling people to sit down, checking tickets and generally causing a nuisance. This carried on all night but from that moment on, all that happened was arguing between fans and stewards over standing, noise, singing at the Chelsea fans, whether they had the right ticket - it was real disruptive tactics and in my opinion this was orchestrated by the stadium management. One female steward patrolled up and down the aisle with a notebook, furiously scribbling notes and ordering other stewards around.

Soon after this, Chelsea were gifted a goal and that invited their fans to start the provocation of our supporters. Standing on seats hurling abuse, acting brave and offering fights to anyone who'd give them some abuse back. When they scored, some Chelsea fans tried to light a blue flare but never managed to get it going. No action from police or stewards, which is puzzling when you think a fan of ours who did that at Stamford Bridge in 2010 received a £385 fine and was banned from football grounds for 3 years.

Don't get me wrong I am up for wind-ups and banter between opposing supporters. It's part of football and has been so for decades. But last night it was a one-sided affair with Chelsea fans allowed to get up to all sorts, while stewards and police caused endless trouble for our supporters with threats of arrest for anyone who "engaged with Chelsea supporters" (that's an actual quote from a policeman last night). One steward then said to the bloke next to me "Sorry, we're under orders tonight". That told us all we needed to know.

At half time I saw two people pulled aside on the concourse by police and get questioned. Apparently this was for being abusive to stewards, though I was informed no such abuse was given. Arguing a point yes, but no actual abuse.

On going back to our seats after half time, stewards then saw it fit to check the ticket of every fan trying to get back in. I've never seen this happen at any home game of ours in all the time I've been going - some 30-odd years. Naturally this caused a huge bottleneck of fans trying to get back to their seats, and many of us missed the start of the second half.

The rest of the game was just more of the same. Hassle from stewards and bugger all happening on the Chelsea side. Over came a bottle from their fans, our supporters reacted angrily and in came the police and stewards to threaten our supporters. Any stewards or police their side plucking out the person who threw it? Of course not. Truly laughable.

Overall, I have to give a big thanks to those BSM members who came along last night with the intention of getting behind the team, creating some noise and having a good time at football. I'm just sorry that an obvious ploy from our stadium management ensured that fans spent most of their time arguing with stewards and police, being threatened with arrest for the most ridiculous reasons, and some even being followed and told off by police after leaving the ground.

Every now and then we hear noises from Arsene Wenger and the players about the need for a positive atmosphere at home games. It's therefore disappointing that the club do all they can to stifle any attempts to generate loud vocal support. Last night it wasn't even a case of pissing into the wind, it was more like pissing into that St Jude storm while being battered with a water cannon of piss at the same time.

Needless to say, we'll be taking these events up with the club and we will continue to fight to get a positive atmosphere back in our stadium. The club may want a big group of people who sit there in silence, tapping away on their iPad or knitting (yes, that has been spotted), taking pictures and clapping every now and then. To us, that's not football. It's not the way football has ever been, or ever should be.

We continue, onward. A better deal for fans, that's what we strive for. It's our club, it's our game, and we won't give up easily. Football without the fans is nothing.

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Pathetic stuff ^

Officious wankers.

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Its just the way it is. Always stand at aways and sit down at home.
Seen stewards at Sunlun especially weigh in and eject gooners (Sunderland stewards are really fuckin dickheads IMO).
Found the Stewards at Fulham to be the friendliest.

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It's a win-win situation. You let the away fans stand, they spend money on booze and programmes and chips and pies and if they cause problems, you write to the FA and police, say that they caused problems and then get their permission to cut their allocation for the following year. Then you sell the remaining tickets to your own fans anyway. In my view though certain clubs like the victims and the scum should be given about 5 tickets each year and told to watch from the nearest fucking bog.

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arsenal plc don't care about the home fans. the more day trippers the better as they are the ones who spend in the stadium, but the way the club acted with block 19 against Chelsea was a disgrace.

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nexum5me wrote:if it's other teams' fans we can blame their clubs, if it's our fans then we're held accountable by the fa
(i assume, it could well be that the club who's stadium it is is responsible no matter what, anyone know?)
Don't think that's quite right mate, Scotland's FA have just been charged because of Croatia fans setting off flares at their ground, the Croatian FA are charged as well but Scotland were in charge of security so they get fined for it, I'm assuming its the same in the PL. As for why stewards are "easier going" on away fans, I'm not sure, its certainly not the case everywhere (as armchair rightly mentions the Sunderland stewards are wankers to home and away fans, Fulham are friendly enough).

Part of the reason they leave aways sometimes though is due to the sheer numbers standing, if its pockets of people its easy enough to target them and kick them out if needsbe but last time Sunderland were at Arsenal we all stood and when the stewards come past you just sit down for a minute then stand up again- steward says "sit down" and you say that you can't see because of others standing so they have to start at the front, tell people to sit down, they do, then when the stewards move they stand back up again. Unless they want to start at the front and boot everyone out they end up giving up and, as long as you're not blocking the aisles, they just put up with it knowing that you'll fuck off in 90 minutes time!

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this is from a Liverpool fan on the RAWK forum, praising the arsenal stewards .









Re: Our fantastic away support

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Thought the atmosphere was decent myself throughout at the back of 22 but as mentioned above it didn't seem to travel far, so I see where others are coming from. Also the Arsenal stewards were spot on yesterday, was pretty much in the aisle all game and instead of the usual go back to your seat they just said make sure you leave enough room so people can pass.


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nexum5me wrote:if it's other teams' fans we can blame their clubs, if it's our fans then we're held accountable by the fa
(i assume, it could well be that the club who's stadium it is is responsible no matter what, anyone know?)

Maybe its down to the fact that the club can ban the home ticket holders so the stewards know they can get stroppy and arsey with them,there's probably something in the T&C's about behaviour inside the ground.The fact that the away fans don't give a shit if they get banned because they only go to the Emirates once a year probably means it isn't worth the abuse for the stewards.

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we stood for the whole 90 minutes against dortmund...

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Our stewards have long been slated on here (and with good reason too :evil: ) but is it just me or does it seem odd that a guy trying to generate an atmosphere would arrive just a few minutes before kick off ? :? Isn't the point that the fans are meant to get the atmosphere going prior to the match so everyone is good voice when it kicks off ?

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augie wrote:Our stewards have long been slated on here (and with good reason too :evil: ) but is it just me or does it seem odd that a guy trying to generate an atmosphere would arrive just a few minutes before kick off ? :? Isn't the point that the fans are meant to get the atmosphere going prior to the match so everyone is good voice when it kicks off ?
Maybe choir practice overran for him on Saturday mate :lol:

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I once got told to sit down when right at the back of the stand with empty seats either side of me :lol:

Did manage to stand for the whole of the Dortmund game though, in the back few rows of the north bank lower. The stewards generally don't care as long as it isn't one bloke that's easy to pick on. Good luck standing anywhere in the upper tiers of the ground though, the old codgers up there might as well be given orange jackets as they enter the stadium :lol:

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LDB wrote:I once got told to sit down when right at the back of the stand with empty seats either side of me :lol:
Lol.

At risk of alienating myself further from the majority hereabout I must say that nowadays I prefer to sit and have done for some time. I have no problem with folk standing but now sit at home games in an area where I can remain so - with the exception of the natural 'stand up bits' through the course of the game.

I do go to some away but, if truly honest, prefer not having to stand for the duration of each half simply because the knees aren't what they were and hence I go away games less than once I did.

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