THE WENGER THREAD

[g88ner]

At the end of November last season we were 7th with 21 points so we've already exceeded that with games to play.

and that was shit so just as well we are doing better!! Being top in October/November wins nothing. We are well placed but this Arsenal team is quite capable of finishing 4th or 5th.....more so than being capable of winning the title!!

Well yeah, of course we are - we're up against united, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Sp*rs!!!

[northbank123]

At the end of November last season we were 7th with 21 points so we've already exceeded that with games to play.

and that was shit so just as well we are doing better!! Being top in October/November wins nothing. We are well placed but this Arsenal team is quite capable of finishing 4th or 5th.....more so than being capable of winning the title!!

Well yeah, of course we are - we're up against united, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Sp*rs!!!

Obviously none of those are actually shit teams but Liverpool and Spurs have one top player and a handful of good players between them, so staving them off whilst not providing sustained competition to the top two or three isn't really much to shout about.

[Brady's left peg]

At the end of November last season we were 7th with 21 points so we've already exceeded that with games to play.

and that was shit so just as well we are doing better!! Being top in October/November wins nothing. We are well placed but this Arsenal team is quite capable of finishing 4th or 5th.....more so than being capable of winning the title!!

Well yeah, of course we are - we're up against united, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Sp*rs!!!

And this is the exact reason we have struggled for the last 8 years, that comment typifies the malaise that has engulfed our club. Who gives a fuck about the other clubs, if your going to bring that into the argument what about the points we have dropped against the likes of West Brom, Aston Villa, Norwich and fucking Stoke!
You are already accepting a 4/5 place finish because we have to compete against manure, the chavs, loserpool and shitty and I cannot believe you mentioned the other down the road in the same sentence.
Until such time that some of our supporters stop accepting the 4th place virtual trophy things will never change, the board and Wenger know that 4th place will be enough to keep many of the supporters onside.
We are THE ARSENAL and we should be competing to win trophies not finishing fucking fourth!

[g88ner]

At the end of November last season we were 7th with 21 points so we've already exceeded that with games to play.

and that was shit so just as well we are doing better!! Being top in October/November wins nothing. We are well placed but this Arsenal team is quite capable of finishing 4th or 5th.....more so than being capable of winning the title!!

Well yeah, of course we are - we're up against united, City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Sp*rs!!!

And this is the exact reason we have struggled for the last 8 years, that comment typifies the malaise that has engulfed our club. Who gives a fuck about the other clubs, if your going to bring that into the argument what about the points we have dropped against the likes of West Brom, Aston Villa, Norwich and fucking Stoke!
You are already accepting a 4/5 place finish because we have to compete against manure, the chavs, loserpool and shitty and I cannot believe you mentioned the other down the road in the same sentence.
Until such time that some of our supporters stop accepting the 4th place virtual trophy things will never change, the board and Wenger know that 4th place will be enough to keep many of the supporters onside.
We are THE ARSENAL and we should be competing to win trophies not finishing fucking fourth!

Fuck me, you don't half make assumptions about me.

Already accepted 4th/5th?? have I bollocks. I'm one of the more positive people on here. If you want to moan at people writing us off, there's plenty of more obvious candidates.

I'm actually quite optimistic about our season.

I just don't get how anyone can write off United, Chavs and Citeh. Why is it so far fetched that they could finish above us and we finish 4th?? - I'd say anyone who expects us to finish above those 3 is a rosetinter! - personally, I think we COULD finish above one or 2 of them, but I'd say we're 4th favourites. Not sure that's big news... I thought that was obvious.

And how the fuck is my previous post the reason we've struggled for 8 years??? It's Wenger and the boards fault... not mine! talk about passing the book. Jesus wept.

[northbank123]

g88ner although it may be an overreaction to that one comment I do see exactly where he's coming from. Let's be fair you have spent about 3 months now bouncing from thread to thread almost exclusively correcting negative posts, so when you take a break from chastising others for their pessimism to seemingly suggest that 4th or 5th is a reasonable return given the competition we face are you surprised that it winds people up?

Perhaps I'm reading BLP's post incorrectly but as I see it he's not criticising you for being negative about our chances as you seem to think (don't see how anybody could level that at you), he's criticising you for suggesting that it's a reasonable achievement for the club to come 4th or 5th. Which opens the way for you to defend your optimism etc if what most people on here predict pans out and we finish well off the pace again with no trophy.

It's a simplification of your posts, yes, and I'm sure you'll be keen to point out my misconceptions but wrongly or rightly your posts have been of the sort that are constantly bemoaned as 'AKB' behaviour so I'm not sure why you seem surprised.

[g88ner]

g88ner although it may be an overreaction to that one comment I do see exactly where he's coming from. Let's be fair you have spent about 3 months now bouncing from thread to thread almost exclusively correcting negative posts, so when you take a break from chastising others for their pessimism to seemingly suggest that 4th or 5th is a reasonable return given the competition we face are you surprised that it winds people up?

I'm not correcting comments, I'm questioning things i disagree with. That's hardly a new thing on a forum. I also don't mind asking people to clarify comments I'm unsure about... and if their arguments are sound, why would that be an issue? if anything, I'd hope most people welcome debate on views they're happy to share.

I just don't get why 4th place would surprise anyone given the teams we're up against. Hell, most on here think we'll struggle so why would he moan at me for agreeing in a less negative way? If i'd said we're shit, I probably wouldn't have had a response but as I suggest others clubs are good, I get told I'm the reason we don't win anything?

I mean honestly, all I really said was that competition is fierce. Is that even remotely controversial?

If that winds someone up then they need to take a step back.

[northbank123]

g88ner although it may be an overreaction to that one comment I do see exactly where he's coming from. Let's be fair you have spent about 3 months now bouncing from thread to thread almost exclusively correcting negative posts, so when you take a break from chastising others for their pessimism to seemingly suggest that 4th or 5th is a reasonable return given the competition we face are you surprised that it winds people up?

I'm not correcting comments, I'm questioning things i disagree with. That's hardly a new thing on a forum. I'm also don't mind asking people to clarify comments I'm unsure about... and if there arguments are sound, why would that be an issue? if anything, I'd hope most people welcome debate on views they're happy to share.

I just don't get why 4th place would surprise anyone given the teams we're up against. Hell, most on here think we'll struggle so why would he moan at me for agreeing in a less negative way? If i'd said we're shit, I probably wouldn't have had a response but as I suggest others clubs are good, I get told I'm the reason we don't win anything?

I mean honestly, all I really said was that competition is fierce. Is that even remotely controversial?

If that winds someone up then they need to take a step back.

And the place would be fucking boring if we didn't have some contradicting views. But you've been peddling your new-found optimism about the team every day for months and then throw in a comment suggesting that 4th or 5th is a pretty reasonable return for the club given the competition (which is shit compared to what it was 5 years ago). Rightly or wrongly it's the sort of behaviour that is constantly moaned about on here for being 'AKB' as it typifies the cycle of 'this year is different' with the tired excuse waiting for when things do go to pot about competing with the likes of Chelsea and Citeh. Are you really surprised at the reaction?

[Brady's left peg]

g88ner although it may be an overreaction to that one comment I do see exactly where he's coming from. Let's be fair you have spent about 3 months now bouncing from thread to thread almost exclusively correcting negative posts, so when you take a break from chastising others for their pessimism to seemingly suggest that 4th or 5th is a reasonable return given the competition we face are you surprised that it winds people up?

I'm not correcting comments, I'm questioning things i disagree with. That's hardly a new thing on a forum.

I just don't get why 4th place would surprise anyone given the teams we're up against. Hell, most on here think we'll struggle so why would he moan at me for agreeing in a less negative way? If i'd said we're shit, I probably wouldn't have had a response but as I suggest others clubs are good, I get told I'm the reason we don't win anything?

I mean honestly, all I really said was that competition is fierce. Is that even remotely controversial?

If that winds someone up then they need to take a step back.

Right ok, maybe an over-reaction on my part ... but to point out 4th place would be an achievement given the other teams battling it out towards the top of the league is in my opinion accepting the inevitable rather then pushing for success. And this seems to be the way the club currently view things, as long as they get their champions league money they couldn't give a shit. We are currently top of the pile and I don't think anybody, myself included really think we have a cat in hells chance of staying there, but if we could sign a world class striker together with the players returning from injury we could be right in the mix.
The litmus test for me will be January, if we are still in with a chance of the league and we strengthen the team to enable us to push on... we have turned a corner. If we sit back and do nothing and our season peters out that would indicate to many of us that the club/manager has lost the drive to win trophies, and are only interested in posting a healthy profit.
It is time for the club to put their money where their mouth is... they big us up and talk about us competing with the likes of manure and shitty for silverware, so its about time all that talk is converted into achievements.
PS 4th place is not an achievement.

[g88ner]

g88ner although it may be an overreaction to that one comment I do see exactly where he's coming from. Let's be fair you have spent about 3 months now bouncing from thread to thread almost exclusively correcting negative posts, so when you take a break from chastising others for their pessimism to seemingly suggest that 4th or 5th is a reasonable return given the competition we face are you surprised that it winds people up?

I'm not correcting comments, I'm questioning things i disagree with. That's hardly a new thing on a forum. I'm also don't mind asking people to clarify comments I'm unsure about... and if there arguments are sound, why would that be an issue? if anything, I'd hope most people welcome debate on views they're happy to share.

I just don't get why 4th place would surprise anyone given the teams we're up against. Hell, most on here think we'll struggle so why would he moan at me for agreeing in a less negative way? If i'd said we're shit, I probably wouldn't have had a response but as I suggest others clubs are good, I get told I'm the reason we don't win anything?

I mean honestly, all I really said was that competition is fierce. Is that even remotely controversial?

If that winds someone up then they need to take a step back.

And the place would be fucking boring if we didn't have some contradicting views. But you've been peddling your new-found optimism about the team every day for months and then throw in a comment suggesting that 4th or 5th is a pretty reasonable return for the club given the competition (which is shit compared to what it was 5 years ago). Rightly or wrongly it's the sort of behaviour that is constantly moaned about on here for being 'AKB' as it typifies the cycle of 'this year is different' with the tired excuse waiting for when things do go to pot about competing with the likes of Chelsea and Citeh. Are you really surprised at the reaction?

No, of course not. Nothing surprises me on here at all.

I'm not sure why I should bother defending a fictional viewpoint that some may think I hold, but if it helps...

Anyone who thinks I'm an AKB, despite the amount of times I've said it's time he probably left, is an idiot.

Anyone who thinks I'm peddling new found optimism isn't reading my posts properly. So what if I'm not as negative as many? this optimism is hardly sky high, as I'm not convinced we'll finish above 3rd/4th and I'm certainly not confident we'll win the league or CL! - I'm impressed by our consistency since March though. Who isn't? did anyone expect it?!

What you see as peddling optimism is nothing more than challenging, what I see, as ultra negativity. If having negative views challenged winds some people up, well fuck em. I'm more questioning than nasty, so not sure why it's an issue.

[g88ner]

but to point out 4th place would be an achievement given the other teams battling it out towards the top of the league is in my opinion accepting the inevitable rather then pushing for success.

Some people say we're shit and many don't think we can win anything. How is that pushing for success? to me, it's not so why highlight my view as accepting the inevitable when probably 70-80% of the forum are more guilty?

I do think we'll be hard pushed to finish above United, Citeh and Chavs though. I think we're in a real battle here, and I'm not afraid to admit it even if some see that as a comfort zone or acceptance of defeat. It's not... as I said, there's countless others who have been more defeatist than I have and simply ruled out success of any kind.

I've not. I don't expect success but I'm an optimist at heart. After all, why not? might as well enjoy the ride instead of refusing to get on board.

I think many people think the same - we'll win nothing and probably finish 4th. None of us like it and we ALL want success.

[northbank123]

I'm not disagreeing with most of what you're saying tbh and I don't think you're an AKB (I hate that label for a start!). All I'm saying is that when you're challenging people's negativity on here (as you put it) day in day out and then post something defending the merit of 4th/5th placed finishes it looks a bit like you're giving yourself an out in case those nay-sayers are proved right in their pessimism and our season collapses to the race for 4th before mid-March again.

And for somebody who claims not to be surprised by anything on here you sure manage to fit the into a hell of a lot of posts

[Brady's left peg]

but to point out 4th place would be an achievement given the other teams battling it out towards the top of the league is in my opinion accepting the inevitable rather then pushing for success.

Some people say we're shit and many don't think we can win anything. How is that pushing for success? to me, it's not so why highlight my view as accepting the inevitable when probably 70-80% of the forum are more guilty?

I do think we'll be hard pushed to finish above United, Citeh and Chavs though. I think we're in a real battle here, and I'm not afraid to admit it even if some see that as a comfort zone or acceptance of defeat. It's not... as I said, there's countless others who have been more defeatist than I have and simply ruled out success of any kind.

I've not. I don't expect success but I'm an optimist at heart. After all, why not? might as well enjoy the ride instead of refusing to get on board.

I think many people think the same - we'll win nothing and probably finish 4th. None of us like it and we ALL want success.

So putting our personal views aside for a moment, do you not think that the club have a 4th will do attitude? They talk the talk but under the current owner have failed to walk the walk. As long as they achieve UCL qualification they are quite content.

[augie]

G88ner, when you say that 4th is as good as we can accept (factoring in the chavs, citeeh and manure) you are, whether you like it or not, reinforcing an ethose/agenda that has and is running throughout the people running through our club ? Why is 4th as good as we can expect when we have massive cash reserves sitting in the bank ? Why is 4th acceptable (when factoring in the above clubs) when it is defeats against the likes of norwich, villa etc that is preventing us getting any higher ? Why is our achievements acceptable when we continually fail to win cups because of loses to the likes of bradford, blackburn etc ? For me there is nothing acceptable in where we stand as a club and until the fans start publicly demanding more (instead of accepting our lot) then nothing will change

[DB10GOONER]

g88ner, you'll just have to accept you are shit.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

g88ner, you'll just have to accept you are shit.

Odds are he can put up an argument to the contrary

Only joking gooner mate