THE WENGER THREAD

[rodders999]

I'd say her burger is gone well wrinkly at this stage Augster

[SteveO 35]

I'd say her burger is gone well wrinkly at this stage Augster

Her burger will not be on display at the BBQ

[Theoperator]

I'd say her burger is gone well wrinkly at this stage Augster

Her burger will not be on display at the BBQ

Hope his hot dog wont be either

[QuartzGooner]

(I put this on the Transfer Rumours thread too)

Lots of questions about deals, conflicting stories, scraps of evidence.

Mertesacker and Benayoun seemed like last minute panic buys, but both players said that their deals had been discussed for a while prior to being signed.

Certainly rumours that Sir Chips ordered Wenger to buy a big name, but also rumours of how Wenger phoned Ozil and spoke to him in German for ages explaining his proposed role at the club should he sign and how keen Wenger personally was to sign him.

Then there was Arshavin....rumoured that Gazidis signed him to make a statement as he was new in the job.

I do not doubt that Dein would, or Gazidis or Rowley could, come to Wenger and recommend a player.
And that they could contact a player's agent before Wenger gets involved near the end of the deal to talk to the player himself (such as when he took Ramsey's family out to dinner to persuade him to sign for us and not Man Utd), but would a control freak like Wenger really let signings be made over his head without his consent or knowledge?

Love to know what really goes on.

[Henry Norris 1913]

I'd say her burger is gone well wrinkly at this stage Augster

Her burger will not be on display at the BBQ

Hope his hot dog wont be either

in between a couple of buns

[armchair]

but would a control freak like Wenger really let signings be made over his head without his consent or knowledge?

Thats a good question.......

But I would pose the same question this way....
Would a manager like Wenger happily earning upwards of 6 million pa to fail to win a single thing jeopardise that by making an issue of a signing being made without his consent or knowledge?

Especially after Gazidis had earlier somewhat committed to spend big in June by saying Wenger had loadsa money to spend. Season ticket waiting lists ever-decreasing. Media waking up to Wengers "record"............

I believe the board had to do something after Wenger failed in the Rooney, Higuain and Suarez deals.

[g88ner]

but would a control freak like Wenger really let signings be made over his head without his consent or knowledge?

Thats a good question.......

But I would pose the same question this way....
Would a manager like Wenger happily earning upwards of 6 million pa to fail to win a single thing jeopardise that by making an issue of a signing being made without his consent or knowledge?

Especially after Gazidis had earlier somewhat committed to spend big in June by saying Wenger had loadsa money to spend. Season ticket waiting lists ever-decreasing. Media waking up to Wengers "record"............

I believe the board had to do something after Wenger failed in the Rooney, Higuain and Suarez deals.

I like how you're happy to accept Wenger was behind bids for Suarez, Rooney & Higuain (allowing you to blame Wenger for not signing them) yet suggest he was forced to sign Ozil (allowing you to take all credit away from him for signing Ozil).

Don't you think it's highly likely you're letting your dislike for the man cloud your judgement somewhat?

Nice theory like. Fits perfectly into an anti-Wenger agenda. Almost too perfectly; you couldn't make it up

[armchair]

but would a control freak like Wenger really let signings be made over his head without his consent or knowledge?

Thats a good question.......

But I would pose the same question this way....
Would a manager like Wenger happily earning upwards of 6 million pa to fail to win a single thing jeopardise that by making an issue of a signing being made without his consent or knowledge?

Especially after Gazidis had earlier somewhat committed to spend big in June by saying Wenger had loadsa money to spend. Season ticket waiting lists ever-decreasing. Media waking up to Wengers "record"............

I believe the board had to do something after Wenger failed in the Rooney, Higuain and Suarez deals.

I like how you're happy to accept Wenger was behind bids for Suarez, Rooney & Higuain (allowing you to blame Wenger for not signing Suarez, Higuain and Rooney) yet suggest he was forced to sign Ozil (allowing you to take all credit away from him for signing Ozil).

Don't you think it's highly likely you're letting your dislike for the man cloud your judgement somewhat?

Nice theory like. Fits perfectly into an anti-Wenger agenda. Almost too perfectly; you couldn't make it up

Absolutely not mate. try reading my posts.
I reckon Wenger was pressurised to sign a marquee player. Hence Higuain, Suarez. I dont for a minute believe he wanted to sign either of these two so he had no problems doing his usual low-ball bids and dithering.

Ozil I reckon came at the last minute when these deals were dead and the board had to step in.

[SteveO 35]

Can someone send me a membership form for the Turncoat Wankers Club ?

ONE ARSENE WENGER......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[g88ner]

Can someone send me a membership form for the Turncoat Wankers Club ?

ONE ARSENE WENGER......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

No need, mate. You've been singing One Arsene Wenger for months. You don't need a membership - you're an honorary member for never losing faith in Arsene

[clockender1]

Absolutely not mate. try reading my posts.
I reckon Wenger was pressurised to sign a marquee player. Hence Higuain, Suarez. I dont for a minute believe he wanted to sign either of these two so he had no problems doing his usual low-ball bids and dithering.

Ozil I reckon came at the last minute when these deals were dead and the board had to step in.

which is pretty consistent with the summer activity from 2005 to date - 2011's trolley dash excepted.

[QuartzGooner]

There is another thing to consider.

Apart from last summer 2012 when we signed three players early on then did little else, we have usually had a set pattern of spending.

Bring in one player early on to boost season ticket sales (though this summer that was Sanogo!) then sign players in the last 10 days of the summer window.

This could well be to save money on wages, and in this instance I reckon is probably dictated by the board rather than Wenger.

Whilst I think Wenger is very concerned with managing levels of debt and not being on "Financial steroids", I do not think that a few weeks wages would upset him if it meant he could increase his chance of winning a match, ensuring a player could join the squad prior to pre-season training, so as to be integrated and get his fitness correct before the first competitive game.

Wenger has the final say in how the money is spent, but the board give him the amount of the yearly budget and since the Graham bung incidents, I think the board have to sign off on purchases rather than the manager being allowed access to the bank account, but I could be wrong?

[Swifty]

Well he can stay now. At the moment I'm well pleased but that coudl change depending on the Chelsea result.

For those still keen to see him go I expect Moyes will be available around mid January.

Poor Managerial decisions so far:

Moyes to United and buying Fellaini
Chelsea letting Lukaka go on loan

Master strokes

Rogers being able to retain Suarez
Wenger getting Ozil and the most out of Ramsey and almost everyone else so far.

[Steve_I]

Still for

[g88ner]

Still for