THE WENGER THREAD

[Blood_Gooner]

Still against.

Things need to freshen up, as Wenger and his methods have long gone stale. Despite our good run in the League, we still can't find that much needed mentality to take the fight to and ultimately dispatch of a big opposition or even a proper form team in the League - happened at OT recently and also as recent as our last game on our patch against Everton. Everton played us off the park for long periods, but just didn't have the quality required to slot a few goals past us.

We have a decent team, but I feel we could get more out of them with a more tactical, hungry and shrewd manager. One who's in touch with modern football, and would have realised that we needed a top tier striker if we're serious about putting teams to the sword and winning this poor league at a canter this season. But the man who never sees the glaring obvious - caused simply by his aversion to spending money buying finished articles (and no, he wasn't responsible for signing Ozil) - will neglect the opportunity to augment our striking department in January, and the capitulation will be on come Feb through March. Then the 4th place merchant will go on a run April through May, narrowly limping over the line ahead of our perennial shadow dwellers, which would have pleased his bosses, and thus, will be handsomely rewarded with a 8mil per year deal by the profiteering string pullers who dwell at the very top.

[Steve_I]

Are you even from here? I could've sworn you said you weren't. I ask because the vast majority that blindly support him contribute nothing out of their lives to supporting the club, whether it be financial or travelling across the continent to see the team play, they have nothing to lose since they never invest in the team on any level. For them it's online posturing to see who can be the biggest loyal supporter to Wenger.

I've never had a problem with people supporting him while he is the manager of the club, fine, but what I have a problem with is people from New Delhi and America etc calling me fickle and telling me to ''go and support Spurs'' because I lost patience with him years ago.

Whether I'm from "here" or not is immaterial is it not? If that affects how you view the opinion I give then there will be little I can do to convince you that I am not 'blindly' following anyone... never have never will ... (with the exception of the washing up liquid in the eyes shenanigans)

I have never told anyone to go support the spuds and again never will.

I have made use of the word fickle I admit but that's simply because that's how I view the decision making that some made to decide it "was all wenger's fault" (whatever IT is) Likewise, I would use that term against anyone who moved from either side of the argument based on a relatively short spell of games/results. What's relative, in football terms, I guess, is down to one's perception. I have said many times that I do not consider the last x years a 'failure' by any stretch of the imagination but rather a sound footing for what i believe will be a great future. The next 9 years, I believe, we will look back at and see a collection of trophies and successes which i feel will be down in the large part to Arsene.

That's my view and, where I'm from and what I spend or not on my 'investment', as you put it, is I believe irrelevant and gives me no more nor less right to an opinion than any other, nor any more or less right to voice that opinion.

[MrT]

Are you even from here? I could've sworn you said you weren't. I ask because the vast majority that blindly support him contribute nothing out of their lives to supporting the club, whether it be financial or travelling across the continent to see the team play, they have nothing to lose since they never invest in the team on any level. For them it's online posturing to see who can be the biggest loyal supporter to Wenger.

I've never had a problem with people supporting him while he is the manager of the club, fine, but what I have a problem with is people from New Delhi and America etc calling me fickle and telling me to ''go and support Spurs'' because I lost patience with him years ago.

Whether I'm from "here" or not is immaterial is it not? If that affects how you view the opinion I give then there will be little I can do to convince you that I am not 'blindly' following anyone... never have never will ... (with the exception of the washing up liquid in the eyes shenanigans)

I have never told anyone to go support the spuds and again never will.

I have made use of the word fickle I admit but that's simply because that's how I view the decision making that some made to decide it "was all wenger's fault" (whatever IT is) Likewise, I would use that term against anyone who moved from either side of the argument based on a relatively short spell of games/results. What's relative, in football terms, I guess, is down to one's perception. I have said many times that I do not consider the last x years a 'failure' by any stretch of the imagination but rather a sound footing for what i believe will be a great future. The next 9 years, I believe, we will look back at and see a collection of trophies and successes which i feel will be down in the large part to Arsene.

That's my view and, where I'm from and what I spend or not on my 'investment', as you put it, is I believe irrelevant and gives me no more nor less right to an opinion than any other, nor any more or less right to voice that opinion.

For the record the ''go and support Spurs'' was just an example I've encountered from hardcore Wengerites from all over the world.

I don't believe it is immaterial or irrelevant at all. When you spend your hard earned cash for one man's vanity project and to get humiliated against lower league teams it becomes a lot more real to you. You start to question why you're spending hundreds or thousands a year to continually watch the club you love become a laughing stock because one man cannot understand basic tactics and is wilfully negligent in strengthening the team. When you invest time, money and a lot of personal sacrifices to truly supporting a team you would probably have a lot less patience towards your glorious leader.

[Steve_I]

For the record the ''go and support Spurs'' was just an example I've encountered from hardcore Wengerites from all over the world.

I don't believe it is immaterial or irrelevant at all. When you spend your hard earned cash for one man's vanity project and to get humiliated against lower league teams it becomes a lot more real to you. You start to question why you're spending hundreds or thousands a year to continually watch the club you love become a laughing stock because one man cannot understand basic tactics and is wilfully negligent in strengthening the team. When you invest time, money and a lot of personal sacrifices to truly supporting a team you would probably have a lot less patience towards your glorious leader.

Fair enough if that's your view although again, I'm afraid I disagree.

I go to every home game and have done some years. The first game I clearly recall, the day after my 10th B Day, George graham scored the winner against Ipswich. I'd been to previous ones and have vague recollections of being beaten by Leeds when My father took both My sister and I (she fancied Allen clark) some time previous. I had a gap from My early twenties to my early 40s when I went only sporadically (marriage , kids, playing local saturday football myself etc etc) I don't live in Islkington but am in Hertfordshire so whether that counts as 'here' I know not?

I am starting to go away games and slowly slowly building points on my season ticket (previously using a n other's for away games) and it's frustrating and a bloody challenge to build the points up from scratch. I feel no different when we lose than I did during the years I wasn't going hardly at all. Yep, my ticket costs me a grand a year then travel, pub, burger, pub train each game adds up because of risk of not getting an away ticket due to not having the points and leaving transport arrangements later and hence more expensive.

"My patience towards my glorious leader" has not, imho, been tested thus far as I am happy and have given it a lo0t of thought, given theres a few folk who say otherwise, and remain of the view that I have long held

[Leyton Gooner]

Still against and always will be

WENGER OUT

[clockender1]

poor tactics again tonight. no consideration for Napoli's situation.

then again when Benitez made two changes in position. Wenger did nothing.

as i said on the Napoli thread - Wenger never ever learns from his mistakes, he just repeats them year after year.

[GranadaJoe]

Benitez is very defensive but is generally good tactically. AW is bereft of ideas.

[Dan_85]

Against, still. Fully exposed tonight. Clueless in Europe.

[clockender1]

I just cannot wait to hear tonights excuses - all we had to do was 0-0 and finish top. we came in to the game with a superb defensive record and we bossed the first half, then....

[clockender1]

tonights excuse :

We took it very seriously but in the second half we dropped physically a lot, we had a game on Sunday

and City played last night and won.

how do you explain that Arsene ?

[Brady's left peg]

I just cannot wait to hear tonights excuses - all we had to do was 0-0 and finish top. we came in to the game with a superb defensive record and we bossed the first half, then....

He is a few for starters...... Handbrake, Jaded, Referee, Pitch, Players were naive. In fact he will blame everything and everybody, except of course himself..... Look in the fucking mirror Wenger, you are the fucking problem!!

[g88ner]

I just cannot wait to hear tonights excuses - all we had to do was 0-0 and finish top. we came in to the game with a superb defensive record and we bossed the first half, then....

Then Higuain scored a decent goal and Arteta was given a soft red card.

After that, we decided to hang on and contain Napoli. Maybe not the best tactics in the world, nor the bravest, but lets not go overboard.

[Swifty]

We started our European campaign in what was considered the group of death and we got through - seriously people - lighten up! It's good.

[augie]

I just cannot wait to hear tonights excuses - all we had to do was 0-0 and finish top. we came in to the game with a superb defensive record and we bossed the first half, then....

Then Higuain scored a decent goal and Arteta was given a soft red card.

After that, we decided to hang on and contain Napoli. Maybe not the best tactics in the world, nor the bravest, but lets not go overboard.

It's funny cos I don't think that it was soft at all and I am a huge arteta fan - I thought that both were stupid lunges that he didn't need to make and being honest I would have expected better from him there

PS I forgot to add that wenker is a c*nt and needs to be fcuked out of our club asap

[falkirk goon]

Le bumhole is still tactically inept and im still against. We wont win another pot with this balloon in charge.