THE WENGER THREAD

[Humoresque]

all those stupid sheep who keep using the 'theres nobody to replace wenger' excuse please get a grip,in case you hadn't noticed last season city had mancini in charge but they soon found someone to replace him,so why the fuck do you idiots think there is nobdy to replace Wenker??thats like saying there nobody to replace david Cameron or Obama,ffs,life goes on.in the mean time be content with this illustrious baron spell which is making the Arsenal that I support unrecognisable.its your fault that we have the deluded idiot in charge,we could have someone better like . . . .. .erm pelligrini,but obviously a 6-3 dismantling today means fuck all as they stroll their way to the title while we hang on to the virtual trophy spot again and again blah blah blah,repeat for infinity

what do all these teams have in common?


Bayern Munich
Juventus
Milan
Inter Milan
Real Madrid
Barcalona
Liverpool
Chelsea
Man City


they've all had multiple managers within the last few years. I don't want a revolving door like you sometimes have with certain "new money" chavs but all 'big' teams change managers every now and again and get a suitable replacement for them. At any given time there are obviously enough big-time managers out there waiting to take over and interject some new blood, passion, ideas and methods.

even 'Pool have finished outside of the top for for, what, 3 years but have a CL victory for their efforts.

I had to laugh at the rumors a few years back about Wenger possibly going to Real Madrid (the team of his youth or something like that), there's simply no way they'd tolerate him after a few years of winning nothing and he darn well knew that. He knows where his bread is buttered and it's at Arsenal where finishing 4th is a virtual trophy.

[augie]

Demun how the fcuk have we competed with the citeeh's/chavs/manures etc ? When did we lat really compete with any of those clubs cos fcuked if I can remember

Can I also add that the comment about lack of money at wenker's disposal is a lazy and selective defence - try comparing our resources with that of Bradford and Blackburn who both turned us over in the cups last season. How about comparing our wealth with that of Norwich and Swansea who both defeated us in the league last season ? Why does nobody compare of finances with that of Dortmund ? This is a team that won 2 out of the last 3 german league titles and reached last seasons champs league final plus they won a cup or two along the way. Why don't they look at Bayern's wealth and surrender every season like we do when we look at our domestic rivals ?

[mcdowell42]

That old chestnut the other clubs have more money than us wow havent heard tht in a while.

[Theoperator]

all those stupid sheep who keep using the 'theres nobody to replace wenger' excuse please get a grip,in case you hadn't noticed last season city had mancini in charge but they soon found someone to replace him,so why the fuck do you idiots think there is nobdy to replace Wenker??thats like saying there nobody to replace david Cameron or Obama,ffs,life goes on.in the mean time be content with this illustrious baron spell which is making the Arsenal that I support unrecognisable.its your fault that we have the deluded idiot in charge,we could have someone better like . . . .. .erm pelligrini,but obviously a 6-3 dismantling today means fuck all as they stroll their way to the title while we hang on to the virtual trophy spot again and again blah blah blah,repeat for infinity

Oil baron do you mean?

Sheep on here seem more to be the ones as usual saying Wenker out as soon as we loose a match .

Hasnt it more to do with the squillions that Citeh have at their disposal? I seem to remember us trying to buy Yaya Toure but at the time we couldnt afford him, Oh I suppose it was all Wenkers fault as usual, I guess the same for the other millions that Citeh have which include the millions it cost to replace Mancini who isnt a bad manager surely?

Its maybe an "old arguement" but why is it not true???

No manager is of course indispensable, is anyone actually saying that? but clearly a manager that wins pots of stuff for us for years isnt "a deluded idiot"- comments like that may rather unpick your arguement, as does the AKB sort of jibe. I happen to respect him for what he has done, just as I respect GG Mee and Chapman, none of whom would I dream of deriding as you seem to do for Wenker.

No one is happy with such a barren spell without any trophies- it breaks my heart each match at AG to look round and see the date stop 8 years ago

The list below is all interesting, but The Chavs surely would have done better with a consistancy as would Citeh?
Mousers have hardly stunned since they started revolving managers- remember BoB Paisley followed Shankley up the ladder there when they started their successful time
Barca and Madrid are perhaps not comparable as they are by far the largest teams in the Spanish league, and didnt Guardiolas time of 4 years give Barca their best times? I seem to remember Guardiola left and if they had a choice he would still be there wouldnt he?
As forJuve, great lets follow them down the league for match fixing and appoint Capello
Bayern struggled in the 80s a lot. I would rather we werent equated with any Italian side really
I see you leave Manure out, so I guess that means that SAF should have left after 4 or 5 years or after the first match he lost then?


Bayern Munich
Juventus
Milan
Inter Milan
Real Madrid
Barcalona
Liverpool
Chelsea
Man City

[markyp]

all those stupid sheep who keep using the 'theres nobody to replace wenger' excuse please get a grip,in case you hadn't noticed last season city had mancini in charge but they soon found someone to replace him,so why the fuck do you idiots think there is nobdy to replace Wenker??thats like saying there nobody to replace david Cameron or Obama,ffs,life goes on.in the mean time be content with this illustrious baron spell which is making the Arsenal that I support unrecognisable.its your fault that we have the deluded idiot in charge,we could have someone better like . . . .. .erm pelligrini,but obviously a 6-3 dismantling today means fuck all as they stroll their way to the title while we hang on to the virtual trophy spot again and again blah blah blah,repeat for infinity

what do all these teams have in common?


Bayern Munich
Juventus
Milan
Inter Milan
Real Madrid
Barcalona
Liverpool
Chelsea
Man City


they've all had multiple managers within the last few years. I don't want a revolving door like you sometimes have with certain "new money" chavs but all 'big' teams change managers every now and again and get a suitable replacement for them. At any given time there are obviously enough big-time managers out there waiting to take over and interject some new blood, passion, ideas and methods.

even 'Pool have finished outside of the top for for, what, 3 years but have a CL victory for their efforts.

I had to laugh at the rumors a few years back about Wenger possibly going to Real Madrid (the team of his youth or something like that), there's simply no way they'd tolerate him after a few years of winning nothing and he darn well knew that. He knows where his bread is buttered and it's at Arsenal where finishing 4th is a virtual trophy.

[augie]

markyp, I think that he was actually agreeing with you

[markyp]

markyp, I think that he was actually agreeing with you

cheers augie ,I will take that back then,my blood is boiling tonight

[safcftm]

Don't think he deserves any criticism at this point like

[Theoperator]

The crunch will be home v Chavs after a break, - hope Kos is fit, Pod will surely be available and feature as well. TV and BFG just dont seem to gel in the same way sadly

Do any Gooners feel anything other than hatred towards the Moaning one- odious man

[northbank123]

Seriously, have I really got to explain this? Look at the team we lost to today, a team assembled with random players who wouldn't have otherwise given a second thought about Man City, yet they have the strongest squad in the whole league. Now I know we have Ozil who probably wouldn't have wanted to join us had we not offered what we did, but the point in making is that we're competing (and doing a great job) with an unprecedented standard teams like Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester Utd have set, that we have no right competing with. Yet, we have done, but because we haven't won a trophy in that time, some "fans" are dismissing the progress we have made? I can't respect that, I share in the frustration but I can't just dismiss our manager as clueless because he hasn't win a trophy in a climate that has changed as much it has. I don't agree with ticket prices, and transfer policy etc etc, but Christ we have we always given it a good go with what we have, and as a supporter that's all I can ask. Sadly, most fans on here are like Piers Morgan and can't wait for a bad result to have a go at Arsenal, and I find it really quite sad,

It's not just that we haven't won anything - we haven't got near winning things and it clearly isn't that high on our priorities.

With the exception of the 2010 Carling Cup debacle where after bravely scraping past Ipswich over two legs we lost to relegated Birmingham what have we got near winning? Any time we've come up against a good team in knockout competition, we've been limply turfed out (often getting hammered). How many times have we rolled up to Old Trafford or Stamford Bridge and been beaten before we've even gotten off the coach? How many times have we gone into April with a genuine chance of winning the title?

The "unprecedented standard" of teams like City and co? Jesus take a look around at how English teams have fared in Europe the last few years. The Invincibles, Mourinho's Chelsea, 2008 United - all would have absolutely pissed all over the title winners of the last few seasons. It's not that we've been standing still and other teams have overtaken us, we spent years and years going backwards needlessly.

Not saying we should have been winning everything in sight or that we're on a level playing field but since moving nearly winning one Carling Cup is a piss-poor return particularly in light of the fact our manager and our board think they've been doing a brilliant job whilst robbing the fans blind.

[BFG4]

Is this forum doing the "Wenger out" thing now then?

Not at all - give him another 3 trophyless years I say. Let him oversee the longest run without a trophy in the history of the club for all I care now - the guy's reputation will be well and truly trashed by then

The good ol' trophy arguement. You should be better than that.

Ahhh sorry I forgot about you and the rest of the 'modern day' superfans. Who gives a shit about a trophy eh, as long as we keep qualifying for the Be All and End All.

If that floats your boat buddy then fair play to you, but give me a good old fashioned trophy over any of that 14 consecutive years qualification from the Group stage bollocks any day of the week.

The money isn't yours you know - it goes straight into our delightful owner's pocket. So why do you and the rest of the Wengerites get excited by last 16 pastings in the competition?

Wouldn't winning the FA Cup mean anything to you?

Winning a trophy would be great, but I'm not going to bang on about it every time we lose a match, or get knocked out of a cup competition. Supporting Arsenal is about more than trophies, so when I see these "fans" keep using the lack of trophies in the last few years as a reason to bash Arsenal/Wenger, I find it really pathetic. You mean to tell me if we won the Carling Cup final a couple of years ago, you'd be more tolerant of bad results in these future seasons? No, the league cup wouldn't mean a thing, so I think you're just using any easy stick to bash Arsenal with, and for me, that says a hell of a lot about you as a "fan". That's the problem with this forum, we've got a lot of passionate Arsenal fans, but very few who are able to look at Arsenal and what we're doing in the greater scheme of things. Hence, ridiculous posts wanting Wenger out every time we lose a game.

Although Arsenal winning nothing for eight years is shit, it is not my main reason for disliking Wenger. Its that Wenger has created his own idea of what success is, and that is a top four finish, so we can qualify for a tournament that we have no hope of winning, and will be embarrassed in, once we meet any decent opposition. If, in the past eight years, a serious effort had been made to win something, and we had come up short, I wouldn't mind, but instead no effort has been made, as our transfer activity shows, we buy players to scrape into the top four, not to attempt to win the title, and such is the mis-management of the club, our two strikers are two guys who belong in mid table teams at best. Also the frustration of some, against Wenger is not based on one game, but our constant failures.

[Humoresque]

all those stupid sheep who keep using the 'theres nobody to replace wenger' excuse please get a grip,in case you hadn't noticed last season city had mancini in charge but they soon found someone to replace him,so why the fuck do you idiots think there is nobdy to replace Wenker??thats like saying there nobody to replace david Cameron or Obama,ffs,life goes on.in the mean time be content with this illustrious baron spell which is making the Arsenal that I support unrecognisable.its your fault that we have the deluded idiot in charge,we could have someone better like . . . .. .erm pelligrini,but obviously a 6-3 dismantling today means fuck all as they stroll their way to the title while we hang on to the virtual trophy spot again and again blah blah blah,repeat for infinity

Oil baron do you mean?

Sheep on here seem more to be the ones as usual saying Wenker out as soon as we loose a match .

Hasnt it more to do with the squillions that Citeh have at their disposal? I seem to remember us trying to buy Yaya Toure but at the time we couldnt afford him, Oh I suppose it was all Wenkers fault as usual, I guess the same for the other millions that Citeh have which include the millions it cost to replace Mancini who isnt a bad manager surely?

Its maybe an "old arguement" but why is it not true???

No manager is of course indispensable, is anyone actually saying that? but clearly a manager that wins pots of stuff for us for years isnt "a deluded idiot"- comments like that may rather unpick your arguement, as does the AKB sort of jibe. I happen to respect him for what he has done, just as I respect GG Mee and Chapman, none of whom would I dream of deriding as you seem to do for Wenker.

No one is happy with such a barren spell without any trophies- it breaks my heart each match at AG to look round and see the date stop 8 years ago

The list below is all interesting, but The Chavs surely would have done better with a consistancy as would Citeh?
Mousers have hardly stunned since they started revolving managers- remember BoB Paisley followed Shankley up the ladder there when they started their successful time
Barca and Madrid are perhaps not comparable as they are by far the largest teams in the Spanish league, and didnt Guardiolas time of 4 years give Barca their best times? I seem to remember Guardiola left and if they had a choice he would still be there wouldnt he?
As forJuve, great lets follow them down the league for match fixing and appoint Capello
Bayern struggled in the 80s a lot. I would rather we werent equated with any Italian side really
I see you leave Manure out, so I guess that means that SAF should have left after 4 or 5 years or after the first match he lost then?


Bayern Munich
Juventus
Milan
Inter Milan
Real Madrid
Barcalona
Liverpool
Chelsea
Man City

Chavs would've done better with consistency? perhaps but seriously, they've won a lot over the last 10 years with lots of managers - what's more important, saving Le Prof or winning trophies?

Pool have revolved managers but they did win the CL which is more than we can say

barca Madrid: well, they're big clubs but so is Arsenal, top ten, perhaps top 5 in RICHEST Clubs in the world, Arsenals metrics are all there for all to see when it comes to "bigness"
the PL isn't the diverse champion winning league everybody makes it out to be in comparison to la liga

Juve match fixing -- sure, but they're having great success now with Conte, a new coach

and what of Milan and Inter??? multiple coaches and winning trophies, you didn't address that. Mourino went there to win CL and did.

Bayern are big and have advantages but hey, look at all their coaches since 1998

17 Germany Ottmar Hitzfeld 1 Jul 1998 30 Jun 2004 2192 11 four Championships, two Cups, three League Cups, one Champions League, one Intercontinental Cup
18 Germany Felix Magath 1 Jul 2004 31 Jan 2007 945 5 two Championships, two Cups, one League Cup
19 Germany Ottmar Hitzfeld 1 Feb 2007 30 Jun 2008 516 3 one Championship, one Cup, one League Cup
20 Germany Jürgen Klinsmann 1 Jul 2008 27 Apr 2009 302 0
21 Germany Jupp Heynckes* 27 Apr 2009 31 May 2009 35 0
22 Netherlands Louis van Gaal 1 Jul 2009 10 Apr 2011 648 3 one Championship, one Cup, one SuperCup
23 Netherlands Andries Jonker* 10 Apr 2011 26 Jun 2011 61 0
24 Germany Jupp Heynckes 1 Jul 2011 25 Jun 2013 897 4 one SuperCup, one Championship, one Champions League, one Cup
25 Spain Pep Guardiola[135][136] 26 Jun 2013 68 1 one UEFA Super Cup


Hitzfeld and Heynckes with 2 stays....


I left Manyoore out b/c Moyes just took over and the theme is "big teams that have changed managers multiple times recently but still win expletive deleted" ,,,,


unlike Arsene "good spirit in the squad Professor of the expletive deleted mutha fOO$#@ Balance Sheet 4th place is like a trophy getting injured players back is like new signings" Wenger.

holy cr@p, where's the aspirin? (that did feel good typing though.... )

[mcdowell42]

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[SteveO 35]

Seriously, have I really got to explain this? Look at the team we lost to today, a team assembled with random players who wouldn't have otherwise given a second thought about Man City, yet they have the strongest squad in the whole league. Now I know we have Ozil who probably wouldn't have wanted to join us had we not offered what we did, but the point in making is that we're competing (and doing a great job) with an unprecedented standard teams like Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester Utd have set, that we have no right competing with. Yet, we have done, but because we haven't won a trophy in that time, some "fans" are dismissing the progress we have made? I can't respect that, I share in the frustration but I can't just dismiss our manager as clueless because he hasn't win a trophy in a climate that has changed as much it has. I don't agree with ticket prices, and transfer policy etc etc, but Christ we have we always given it a good go with what we have, and as a supporter that's all I can ask. Sadly, most fans on here are like Piers Morgan and can't wait for a bad result to have a go at Arsenal, and I find it really quite sad,

So basically.......as I thought....another fan delighted with a par score of Be All and End All qualification each year

Your sarcastic remark about 'ah the old trophy argument''.....honestly do I need to explain. Wigan, Birmingham, Portsmouth have somehow managed to win major trophies. Haven't they heard? You're not allowed to beat the big boys. You have no right to compete...my god I thought I'd met some of the biggest football luvvies going till I heard that comment. Shal we just lay back and accept our fate then, that we can compete and ever win a game against Chelsea or United again. What a pathetic defeatist attitude

[burg hohenzollern]

If he is going to sign it, and personally I really, really hope he doesn't, then he will have to sign it this week, because it will look absolutely ridiculous if he signs it after the Chelski beat us on 23/12....