ARSENE KNOWS

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ARSENE KNOWS

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Post by Cockerill's chin »

As to the Arsene Knows debate, I think he has answered it himself:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 55,00.html

He explained: "I could have spent in the January transfer window but I did not know then that Eduardo, Robin van Persie and Tomas Rosicky would all be out at the same time.
There's about 60,000 people who could have told him RVP and Mozart would be injured.

Blaming that prick Taylor for us not being top of the league lacks substance.

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Post by Magic Hat »

only 60,000?

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Post by 26may1989 »

Wenger's got more right this year than he's got wrong, we should all bear in mind quite how well this squad has done this season relative to our expectations in the summer. I don't think anyone, Wenger included, expected us to do as well as we have for most of the season; it was probably Wenger's expectation that next season would be the big one. And the margins between winning the league and "losing" it are (as ever) very narrow: a dodgy decision or two the other way, and our season would be looking very different. So I think talk of failure and losing the league is wrong.

All of that said, as augie and rebel say, this summer is going to be a big one for Wenger. We clearly need to do some serious spending. Most of us know a quality winger and a quality striker are essential, and we'll need a back-up keeper to Almunia once Lehmann retires (though I still think Lehmann should be No1 and Almunia his deputy). A centre-back would be a nice addition if we can get someone of top quality. And then there are the other potential departing players augie lists.

I have a theory that Wenger is getting ready to break his mould and spend some money. Judging by the number of times Eboue has been substituted in recent games, his patience with Eboue seems to be on the wane. And he appears to be as frustrated as any of us at the combined sickness records of RvP and Rosicky, which are only made worse by the situation of the completely blameless Eduardo.

Eto'o, Ben-Arfa, Richards and a keeper? That would mean spending about £50million (about the same as United spent last summer), but the club has it to spend. Crossed fingers (but then I've always been an optimist)...

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Post by gus ceasar is a legend »

We have blown the league..........that is a clear fact! Having the chance to go eight points clear and now finding ourselves six points behind in such a short period of time there really is no other way to describe it!

We have to face up to the fact that this has been a catastrophic collapse hidden briefly by a great result in Milan, a ten man comeback against a woeful Bolton side and the circus around an all English Champions League quarter final!

When you look at some of the sides we have dropped points against it is even worse! Birmingham! Wigan! Jesus Christ!

If we win nothing this year that will be four seasons with sod all! That is nowhere near good enough for a side that parades as one of Europe's big hitters! That surely cannot be right! If we had any other manager in charge now we would be screaming for change! So why are we so different with Wenger? The legacy he has created at the club is immense and can never be underestimated. The football we have watched has been incredible at times! The player who have graced our turf we have been in awe of!

But that is all past tense now! History is wonderful and planning for the future is great but it counts for fuck all unless you are taking care of the present!

Some Gooners are going to have to accept that the same as everything and everyone else Wenger has a shelf life! Please don't point to Ferguson, he is the exception rather than the rule. Every single person only has so much drive in the tank and new ideas to freshen things up. I think it is quite clear that Wenger is struggling.

He is struggling with the players we have got presently and he seems to struggle badly when it comes to trusting himself to lay out the big money on established stars our squad and kids are crying out for. There is nobody in football who can agree that we needed greater and more experienced numbers to sustain a title push. So why do we accept that this was not forthcoming with an apparent £70 million war chest? Even if we did not want to dip into all of that and to have kept some rainy day money we have so many fringe and surplus players that could have released funds and wages. Hoyte, Djorou, Gilberto etc could have been sold without great loss to the squad. Sure the squad size could have stayed the same even but included in that small number needed to be more genuinely experienced players and leaders!

I read today that Wenger said he could not have imagined that RVP, Rosicky and Eduardo would all be injured at the same time. Why not? Robin has had many injuries many lengthy since he joined us and Rosicky has a long line of lengthy muscle injuries to his upper legs. Sure Eddie's injury was a hideous incident but it still only counts as an injury.........we don't get any consolation points for its severity! Injuries are part of any season and so must be envisaged surely?

Finally did we seriously expect to win the league with Almunia, Diaby, Senderos, Eboue and Bendtner? Fine as squad player if you have a decent sized squad but ours is so small it was inevitable we would have to rely on these guys to play a large part of the season. You compare these players to what our rivals have available on the bench or sometimes in the reserves and there is a huge gulf in class. Sorry people have to face the fact that Wenger has placed to much faith in certain individuals. Eboue has to be the most hated Arsenal player since Eddie McGoldrick, maybe even more so, yet we have to put up with sub-standard nonsense from him week in, week out. Please someone tell me how Eboue has positively influenced our season as a right midfielder! Someone please tell me when he has influenced a game and maybe even turned a match in a position that demands creativity! This has been a huge mistake by Wenger not to buy a proven player such as Ribery in this position and to instead trey to get the same results on the cheap!

If lessons are not learned this summer and the fundamentals are not addressed then we are fully entitled to start seriously worrying if our club is still in the right hands. If the dross that needs to go is not replaced in decent numbers it will only serve to reinforce the fear that the league is now a personal crusade for Wenger to win it without investment.

That cannot be tolerated and nor should it be. The club as a whole is greater than any one person and that applies to Arsene as much as it does any player!

:shock: :evil: 8)

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Post by Magic Hat »

So why do we accept that this was not forthcoming with an apparent £70 million war chest?
because he only has it this summer?

We have got to two finals in the transition period as he rebuild the team while waiting for the stadium to come into effect, shouldn't we wait till he has the major millions to spend? Problem with Birmingham is like Boro, rubbish against teams around them but get the big boys and they are trouble

I think most fans are willing to give him a chance to spend the money thanks to his history, entertaining football and I think many see this season as progress, you after all feared we would finish 5th and didn't think we would have been in the title race before a late collapse.

Hoyte? Solid rightback, Djorou was meant to be better then Senderos yet suddenly is crap because of one bad spell, Gilberto leaving would have left us with Flamini and Song as holding role player till the summer, oh and isn't he one of the experienced guys you wanted to keep?

Almunia, fine second choice keeper and we can win the league for when first choices get injured but I agree Arsene is too loyal with him. Diaby as a left winger then no, we won't the league, Senderos has been very good of late and where we have come unstuck is the defenders around him, Eboue not so regular and Big Dane is a talented lad who has scored us a fair few goals this season, relatively vital ones too. More then Man U's third choice has got if I remember rightly

Let him have this summer, with a massive warchest and see how we do, you seem willing to do thta at least

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Post by gus ceasar is a legend »

Where to begin..........

Hoyte, solid right back? So much so that when Sagna got injured Wenger shuffled Toure to full back. In the two big games Hoyte has played in (Man Yoo FA Cup/Liverpool this weekend) he has looked shocking.

Eboue, not been regualr? I think if we was to look up the stats and take away the games he has missed through injury he would have been one of the most regular...........maybe someone has the time and inclination to look this up?

Transistion period? How long do these "transistion" periods last exactly? At no point have I heard Wenger himself say we are in a transistion period! He has told us time and again that we have a squad capable of winning the league and conquering Europe,! In fact he still is despite the odds stacked against us. The only real change in playing personnel from last season is the focal point of our attack, Ade for Henry. So what is in transistion?

As for holding centre midfield players we had a very good one briefly in Diarra who is now pulling up trees for Pompey but Wenger decided it was best to let Gilberto warm the bench instead. Serious mistake!

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Post by Magic Hat »

Thought Hoyte did well against Liverpool, along with Traore, in defence but were poor going forward which is most unlike Traore. As for Eboue, I was saying he shouldn't be so regular though I agree I put it very badly

Depends on the situation I suppose. Dismntaling a once great team with some leaving faster then Arsene might have liked while a new stadium is being built, two years of mediocrity and then a title challenge seems fair enough. Next season is where Arsene has got to win something, year after at the absolute latest. Arsene will say we can win whatever, he is never going to put a player down in public or say we can't do something, if he truly believes that is another matter.

Yeah, would have picked Diarra over Gilberto personally as well.

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Post by 26may1989 »

gus ceasar is a legend wrote:As for holding centre midfield players we had a very good one briefly in Diarra who is now pulling up trees for Pompey but Wenger decided it was best to let Gilberto warm the bench instead. Serious mistake!

:shock:
Come on Gus, Diarra, talented as he is, is a headcase. If someone moves from one big club to another and within weeks (during which a rival for the same spot puts in outstanding displays) says he wants to move on again if he doesn't get a regular place, there's something seriously wrong with the player. Wenger could have held him to his contract and made him stay, but that's not Wenger's style. Once a player decides he wants out, if Wenger can't change his mind, he gets them out quickly. I would have loved Diarra to have stayed and proved himself, but it was best to get rid of him in the circumstances.

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Post by gus ceasar is a legend »

Agreed George in principal!

I am simply saying that for whatever reason Wenger preferred Glberto to Diarra for a place on the bench and also played Diarra at right back whilst Gilberto was in midfield for the Carling Cup games.

We don't know exactly what went on behind closed doors but there was something that made Diarra wanna leave so sharpish and I would speculate the above had a lot to do with it.

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Post by 26may1989 »

gus ceasar is a legend wrote:Agreed George in principal!

I am simply saying that for whatever reason Wenger preferred Glberto to Diarra for a place on the bench and also played Diarra at right back whilst Gilberto was in midfield for the Carling Cup games.

We don't know exactly what went on behind closed doors but there was something that made Diarra wanna leave so sharpish and I would speculate the above had a lot to do with it.

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My theory is that Diarra probably had the impression from discussions during negotiations that Gilberto's Arsenal career was going to be wound down and that he would only have to compete with the up until then less than impressive Flamini for a starting spot. Getting that starting position (in the team widely followed in France) would in turn go a long way to cementing Diarra's position in the French side in time for Euro 2008. The problem was Flamini's outstanding performances, that was something I don't think Diarra had bargained for. And rather than stay and fight it out with Flamini, he preferred to move on again. I agree, some of his selections and non-selections would have made his attitude worse, but someone with real bottle, who believed in their abilities and the club they'd joined, would not have behaved the way Diarra did.

And what was the first thing he said when he arrived at Pompey? "I'm looking forward to moving to a proper big club"! What a tosser!

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