THE WENGER THREAD

[Steve_I]

And yet AKB's/Wengerites/sheep ( ) will tell you that Arsene has done an amazing job challenging for the title (from August to January) and winning the virtual trophy - considering the lack of money he's had at his disposal!

I've said it for years. We've always had the money to compete in the transfer market. It's just been very badly misspent by Arsene on bumper wages, contract extensions and pay rises for shite and average players that haven't earned it.

This AKB has certainly not told anyone that he has done an amazing job in challenging for the title (from August to January)... etc etc

This AKB has clearly stated that he believes Arsene has done a good job full stop and to bring it down to the current short term situation is, I believe, nothing any AKB has said. It is something people who disagree with us AKBs say that we said even when we haven't. it is part of the defence mechanism folk have as they start to realise they are, indeed, on the wrong side of the carrot

I actually do not feel we will necessarily win anything this year and our possible failure to do so will mean nothing more than we didn't 'quite' have enough, but I do think we will win things in due course and that we 'could' win something this year.

I don't argue that at times money could have been better spent but then with hindsight that is easy, as it also is to see the other side and that is a lot of money has been extremely well spent, well managed as have players and tactics and the team as a hole... either that or we've been very very lucky and if only we had a good manager we'd be on top of all of the european leqagues at the same time and the world champions and also in with a shout at the world championship darts title i guess.

I maintain that, in 9 years time, we will look back and will have won things ... that is what I believe...

I maintain that it will be because and not inspite of Arsene and find it hard to understand why a few others just can't see that

I maintain that I am clearly superior to most people and my opinion is the only one that has any validity because of that

I maintain the right to ignore or rubbish any opinion that makes me feel uneasy or disagrees with my own

[Leyton Gooner]

Come on lads it's not about anything this season, it's about progress and we've already shown how much "progress" we've made by being top of the league and winning the Calendar Year Championship (where were you all at Islington town hall last week by the way?)

Next season when he's "finally spent big" over the summer we'll be in a position to win something


Judge him in May 2020

[Steve_I]

I also, of course, maintain the right to have a rant once in a while, even at risk of being threatened by a mod for being a superfan who's still in nappies, and told I may not be tolerated round here because my type aren't liked.

[Steve_I]

Come on lads it's not about anything this season, it's about progress and we've already shown how much "progress" we've made by being top of the league and winning the Calendar Year Championship (where were you all at Islington town hall last week by the way?)

Next season when he's "finally spent big" over the summer we'll be in a position to win something


Judge him in May 2023

corrected as appropriate

[Red Gunner]

If only our modern day Invincible had been available more often. Poor Abou

I wonder how the great Abou consoles himself...

Is that the scum away shirt from a few years ago ? I was looking for the chicken on a ball logo that usually adorns the clothes he wears at home

Good spot

2 years till testimonial time - hope we give Abou a big pay day against Barca or someone of that stature.

Why not against the Spuds of Tottenham? Diaby can play the first half for the Arsenal and the second one for the Spuds



They did that in Raul's testimonial:

The match will be held on Thursday, August 22 at 22:30 hours and the white former captain will play each half of the match with each team.

Al-Sadd will be the rival of Real Madrid in the next edition of the Santiago Bernabéu Trophy. The Qatari team will play against the white ones on Thursday August 22 to contest the XXXV edition of the tournament (22:30 hours). Raul will return to the stadium where he played for 16 seasons. To commemorate this occasion, the former captain of Real Madrid will play 45 minutes with each team.

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/ ... Trophy.htm

[SteveO 35]

Abou is a Gooner to the core

One of our longest serving players. The Spuds would love to have a player of his class

[bobbybigb]

And yet AKB's/Wengerites/sheep ( ) will tell you that Arsene has done an amazing job challenging for the title (from August to January) and winning the virtual trophy - considering the lack of money he's had at his disposal!

I've said it for years. We've always had the money to compete in the transfer market. It's just been very badly misspent by Arsene on bumper wages, contract extensions and pay rises for shite and average players that haven't earned it.

This AKB has certainly not told anyone that he has done an amazing job in challenging for the title (from August to January)... etc etc

This AKB has clearly stated that he believes Arsene has done a good job full stop and to bring it down to the current short term situation is, I believe, nothing any AKB has said. It is something people who disagree with us AKBs say that we said even when we haven't. it is part of the defence mechanism folk have as they start to realise they are, indeed, on the wrong side of the carrot

I actually do not feel we will necessarily win anything this year and our possible failure to do so will mean nothing more than we didn't 'quite' have enough, but I do think we will win things in due course and that we 'could' win something this year.

I don't argue that at times money could have been better spent but then with hindsight that is easy, as it also is to see the other side and that is a lot of money has been extremely well spent, well managed as have players and tactics and the team as a hole... either that or we've been very very lucky and if only we had a good manager we'd be on top of all of the european leqagues at the same time and the world champions and also in with a shout at the world championship darts title i guess.

I maintain that, in 9 years time, we will look back and will have won things ... that is what I believe...

I maintain that it will be because and not inspite of Arsene and find it hard to understand why a few others just can't see that

I maintain that I am clearly superior to most people and my opinion is the only one that has any validity because of that

I maintain the right to ignore or rubbish any opinion that makes me feel uneasy or disagrees with my own

no confrontation from me,totally agree with your sentiments.We may be considered window lickers today but time will prove us correct.The golden years are about appear again ..... up the arsenal

[OneBardGooner]

Apparently we are not supposed to use the phrase akb now or it will lead to abusive responses

Fair enuff....

So how about AKB's are a bunch of *word censored*! ???

[father_ted]

Apparently we are not supposed to use the phrase akb now or it will lead to abusive responses

It could be worse, at least that wouldn't involve having to read one of your posts.

[augie]

Apparently we are not supposed to use the phrase akb now or it will lead to abusive responses

It could be worse, at least that wouldn't involve having to read one of your posts.

[DB10GOONER]

And yet AKB's/Wengerites/sheep ( ) will tell you that Arsene has done an amazing job challenging for the title (from August to January) and winning the virtual trophy - considering the lack of money he's had at his disposal!

I've said it for years. We've always had the money to compete in the transfer market. It's just been very badly misspent by Arsene on bumper wages, contract extensions and pay rises for shite and average players that haven't earned it.

This AKB has certainly not told anyone that he has done an amazing job in challenging for the title (from August to January)... etc etc

This AKB has clearly stated that he believes Arsene has done a good job full stop and to bring it down to the current short term situation is, I believe, nothing any AKB has said. It is something people who disagree with us AKBs say that we said even when we haven't. it is part of the defence mechanism folk have as they start to realise they are, indeed, on the wrong side of the carrot

I actually do not feel we will necessarily win anything this year and our possible failure to do so will mean nothing more than we didn't 'quite' have enough, but I do think we will win things in due course and that we 'could' win something this year.

I don't argue that at times money could have been better spent but then with hindsight that is easy, as it also is to see the other side and that is a lot of money has been extremely well spent, well managed as have players and tactics and the team as a hole... either that or we've been very very lucky and if only we had a good manager we'd be on top of all of the european leqagues at the same time and the world champions and also in with a shout at the world championship darts title i guess.

I maintain that, in 9 years time, we will look back and will have won things ... that is what I believe...

I maintain that it will be because and not inspite of Arsene and find it hard to understand why a few others just can't see that

I maintain that I am clearly superior to most people and my opinion is the only one that has any validity because of that

I maintain the right to ignore or rubbish any opinion that makes me feel uneasy or disagrees with my own

Apology accepted.

The bit highlighted in red is the bit that gets me with AKBs/Wengerites. Reading it you would forgive me for saying it appears you are suggesting he made one or two "one-off" mistakes in previous contract dealings, that it's easy for us to complain now with hindsight but at the time it wasn't possible to say he was making a mistake. I just cannot agree with that. Arsene repeatedly made this same mistake, season after season after season, often extending players contracts and giving them unearned pay rises long long after it was apparent to every man and his dog that those players were not good enough. It wasn't a one-off or two. It was repeatedly making the same mistake and misspending the money that he always claimed we never had and used as a defence for not spending on new quality signings and actually properly competing for the PL and CL. Anyone can make a mistake. That is not the problem. The problem is repeating the same mistake, not learning from it. In my job, if I misspent money like that repeatedly, I would be fired. Most people would.

[DB10GOONER]

Apparently we are not supposed to use the phrase akb now or it will lead to abusive responses

It could be worse, at least that wouldn't involve having to read one of your posts.

Where's the fucking yawn emoticon...?

Oh, there he is -

[kiwomya]

And yet AKB's/Wengerites/sheep ( ) will tell you that Arsene has done an amazing job challenging for the title (from August to January) and winning the virtual trophy - considering the lack of money he's had at his disposal!

I've said it for years. We've always had the money to compete in the transfer market. It's just been very badly misspent by Arsene on bumper wages, contract extensions and pay rises for shite and average players that haven't earned it.

This AKB has certainly not told anyone that he has done an amazing job in challenging for the title (from August to January)... etc etc

This AKB has clearly stated that he believes Arsene has done a good job full stop and to bring it down to the current short term situation is, I believe, nothing any AKB has said. It is something people who disagree with us AKBs say that we said even when we haven't. it is part of the defence mechanism folk have as they start to realise they are, indeed, on the wrong side of the carrot

I actually do not feel we will necessarily win anything this year and our possible failure to do so will mean nothing more than we didn't 'quite' have enough, but I do think we will win things in due course and that we 'could' win something this year.

I don't argue that at times money could have been better spent but then with hindsight that is easy, as it also is to see the other side and that is a lot of money has been extremely well spent, well managed as have players and tactics and the team as a hole... either that or we've been very very lucky and if only we had a good manager we'd be on top of all of the european leqagues at the same time and the world champions and also in with a shout at the world championship darts title i guess.

I maintain that, in 9 years time, we will look back and will have won things ... that is what I believe...

I maintain that it will be because and not inspite of Arsene and find it hard to understand why a few others just can't see that

I maintain that I am clearly superior to most people and my opinion is the only one that has any validity because of that

I maintain the right to ignore or rubbish any opinion that makes me feel uneasy or disagrees with my own

Apology accepted.

The bit highlighted in red is the bit that gets me with AKBs/Wengerites. Reading it you would forgive me for saying it appears you are suggesting he made one or two "one-off" mistakes in previous contract dealings, that it's easy for us to complain now with hindsight but at the time it wasn't possible to say he was making a mistake. I just cannot agree with that. Arsene repeatedly made this same mistake, season after season after season, often extending players contracts and giving them unearned pay rises long long after it was apparent to every man and his dog that those players were not good enough. It wasn't a one-off or two. It was repeatedly making the same mistake and misspending the money that he always claimed we never had and used as a defence for not spending on new quality signings and actually properly competing for the PL and CL. Anyone can make a mistake. That is not the problem. The problem is repeating the same mistake, not learning from it. In my job, if I misspent money like that repeatedly, I would be fired. Most people would.

I agree and disagree about repeating the same mistake. I agree for sure that for a period some mistakes were not acted upon (the Almunia goalkeeping fiasco, for one) but I would suggest at least for the past 2 years these have been worked on and to a degree they've been corrected.

I think it's widely accepted that the club are happy with Wenger's performance so I think that in itself explains why he hasn't been sacked.

[SteveO 35]

ONE ARSENE WENGER......THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

[Steve_I]

Apology accepted.

The bit highlighted in red is the bit that gets me with AKBs/Wengerites. Reading it you would forgive me for saying it appears you are suggesting he made one or two "one-off" mistakes in previous contract dealings, that it's easy for us to complain now with hindsight but at the time it wasn't possible to say he was making a mistake. I just cannot agree with that. Arsene repeatedly made this same mistake, season after season after season, often extending players contracts and giving them unearned pay rises long long after it was apparent to every man and his dog that those players were not good enough. It wasn't a one-off or two. It was repeatedly making the same mistake and misspending the money that he always claimed we never had and used as a defence for not spending on new quality signings and actually properly competing for the PL and CL. Anyone can make a mistake. That is not the problem. The problem is repeating the same mistake, not learning from it. In my job, if I misspent money like that repeatedly, I would be fired. Most people would.

likewise re acceptance of apology

The thing is, I think, that you are self harming by picking away at a the sore. Leave it alone, let it heal... as with all old injuries, best try avoid reaggravating them.

You have selected but a short part of one sentance I wrote to illustrate this. That same sentance goes on, immediately after your selected bit, to say the other side of the coin, but you have chosen to look at the first bit and suggest I haven't given enough weight to your side of that coin. The red bit does not say one or two one off mistakes but rather it is something you have inferred.

Overall I find it hard to say that we haven't had more positives than negatives - not just this season but over the last few years - when one looks at the league(s) as a whole. My reasoning has been stated many times.

In my job, if I misspent money like that repeatedly, I would be fired. Most people would.

..an so indeed you should. However, if overall you are productive, achieve results and keep the business viable and potentially outstanding, which is where, to my mind we are, then I certainly wouldn't be sacking you. Money may well have, with hindsight, been misspent but also, as I said originally, it has also been very well spent; in some cases only after a little time has that become clear. I agree that, also, in some, perhaps too long was given trying to justify the spend, but the whole is now on the verge of being well worth it. The bigger, longer term picture is my take and I beleive that future picture to be positive.