If we win nothing this season they should be reminded instead of even thinking about replacing him that it wouldn't be the first time wev'e gone 3 years without a trophy under Arsene Wenger.
1999-2001 - NO TROPHYS
2002 - Double Winners
2003 - FA Cup Winners
2004 - Unbeatable Champions
2005 - FA Cup Winners
Just goes to show that he is capable of re-building.
You'd be telling me porkies if you were to say wouldn't settle for a repeat in the next 4 seasons?
People who write off Wenger....
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I hear what you're saying, but...
a) In those seasons you mentioned (1999-2001), we had a very good chance of winning the league in them - to the point where Arsenal fans really felt that we could/should - and in 1999 very nearly did. In 2005-2007, we came nowhere near; and ended up finishing 4th for a couple of those seasons (and only just, in once instance).
b) During 1999-2001, we had Henry, Bergkamp, Overmars, Kanu, Pires, Ljungberg, Adams, Seaman etc. Between 2005-07 these players have all left, and have been replaced by the likes of Bendtner, Hleb, Walcott, Eboue, Senderos, Adebayor, Van Persie etc. All good players in their own right, but not players you think can necessarily win you the league.
During 1999-2001, the majority of our players were world class players that were underachieving. During 2005-2007, the majority of our players were good players that were overachieving.
a) In those seasons you mentioned (1999-2001), we had a very good chance of winning the league in them - to the point where Arsenal fans really felt that we could/should - and in 1999 very nearly did. In 2005-2007, we came nowhere near; and ended up finishing 4th for a couple of those seasons (and only just, in once instance).
b) During 1999-2001, we had Henry, Bergkamp, Overmars, Kanu, Pires, Ljungberg, Adams, Seaman etc. Between 2005-07 these players have all left, and have been replaced by the likes of Bendtner, Hleb, Walcott, Eboue, Senderos, Adebayor, Van Persie etc. All good players in their own right, but not players you think can necessarily win you the league.
During 1999-2001, the majority of our players were world class players that were underachieving. During 2005-2007, the majority of our players were good players that were overachieving.
Not for the first time, I agree with BBP.Bring Back Pires wrote:I hear what you're saying, but...
a) In those seasons you mentioned (1999-2001), we had a very good chance of winning the league in them - to the point where Arsenal fans really felt that we could/should - and in 1999 very nearly did. In 2005-2007, we came nowhere near; and ended up finishing 4th for a couple of those seasons (and only just, in once instance).
b) During 1999-2001, we had Henry, Bergkamp, Overmars, Kanu, Pires, Ljungberg, Adams, Seaman etc. Between 2005-07 these players have all left, and have been replaced by the likes of Bendtner, Hleb, Walcott, Eboue, Senderos, Adebayor, Van Persie etc. All good players in their own right, but not players you think can necessarily win you the league.
During 1999-2001, the majority of our players were world class players that were underachieving. During 2005-2007, the majority of our players were good players that were overachieving.
Magic Hat wrote:Arsene now has money, his players are a year older and wiser, let us see where we are two seasons from now then either proclaim "we never doubted him" or sack him
Yes the players are a year older and wiser but how many are actually any better than the were last season and in fact how many have actually gone backwards
From my own point of view a lot of my concerns stem from my lack of trust in his willingness to do what is necessary in the transfer market. With a decent sized quality squad there is no-one in the world that I would want managing my team than wenger but his stubborn refusal to increase the size and quality of the squad, to sign established proven quality players,to kick arses in the team when necessary and of course his deownright fear of spending big money on 1 top class player makes me concerned about his ability and will to put us back on track. There is no way that he should be granted another 2 seasons like the last 3 although if he did invest properly in the summer,won nothing but showed signs of becoming the top team again then I may change my mind on that - failure is always hard to accept but if you have made genuine efforts(to buy quality players) and have done your utmost then I could accept that
Do you remember last season? For the second season in a row stuck in fourth, out of every competition by February and being forced to watch the likes of Julio Baptista in an Arsenal shirt.augie wrote:
Yes the players are a year older and wiser but how many are actually any better than the were last season and in fact how many have actually gone backwards
Yet this season we're still in the title picture (just) and if it wasn't for a lot of bad luck we would be in the champs league semi-final. We've only lost two league games all season.
Yes the last six weeks have been poor but how anyone can say we've gone backwards is beyond me.
Yes we have only lost 2 league games but we have drawn 11.That is why we are 6pts behind Man Utd.When you see teams like Man utd and Chelski strengthening and us not when we have money to spend thats what has made fans angry.Everyone knows the squad is lightweight.Man utd spent £50 m last summer yet were champions last year.If you are happy to see Eboue and Diaby as widemen instead of a natural winger then good luck to you the majority of Gooners have been crying out for a winger for over a year.The likes of Almunia,Eboue,Senderos and Diaby are not good enough players if we have ambitions to win trophiesWHL-71-04 wrote:Do you remember last season? For the second season in a row stuck in fourth, out of every competition by February and being forced to watch the likes of Julio Baptista in an Arsenal shirt.augie wrote:
Yes the players are a year older and wiser but how many are actually any better than the were last season and in fact how many have actually gone backwards
Yet this season we're still in the title picture (just) and if it wasn't for a lot of bad luck we would be in the champs league semi-final. We've only lost two league games all season.
Yes the last six weeks have been poor but how anyone can say we've gone backwards is beyond me.
Wenger has to buy big this summer because this squad is not big enough or good enough.Do you believe Man Utd and Chelsea wont stengthen again
Compare our team now to the 2004 side and the present side is light years behind
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augie wrote:
Clichy is better, Ade, Flamini, Hleb, Walcott...... Lets not have a go a Wenger too soon. He is the greatest manager we have ever had and deserves time and support.Yes the players are a year older and wiser but how many are actually any better than the were last season and in fact how many have actually gone backwards
WHL-71-04 wrote:Do you remember last season? For the second season in a row stuck in fourth, out of every competition by February and being forced to watch the likes of Julio Baptista in an Arsenal shirt.augie wrote:
Yes the players are a year older and wiser but how many are actually any better than the were last season and in fact how many have actually gone backwards
Yet this season we're still in the title picture (just) and if it wasn't for a lot of bad luck we would be in the champs league semi-final. We've only lost two league games all season.
Yes the last six weeks have been poor but how anyone can say we've gone backwards is beyond me.
Where exactly did I say that we have gone backwards
If you read my thread properly then you will see that I asked how many players have actually gone backwards not the team ? Can you not think of any Gilberto gone backwards beyond all recognition,denilson,diaby & traore havent made the progress required(although in diaby's defense he is not a winger),eboue has without a doubt gone backwards to the point that he has to go - do you need me to go on As a team we may have done better in some aspects but the standard of this league is slipping every season and we still are a distance away from winning it and if some fans were not 1 eyed they would see that as indisputable
He isnt good enough to play for The Arsenal and as much as I hate eboue(and believe me I do) I would actually make a strong case for having hleb out the door quicker than eboue 
