THE WENGER THREAD

[LDB]

Yes. That'll do it. An angry letter writing campaign...
When we win fuck all again for another decade after Wenger signs a contract extension, we can blame insipid fans like yourself.

What a hero you are. Like a modern day Nelson Mandela

Awesome. When do you get your superfan badge and special Arsene decoder ring in the mail?

About the same time you get inducted to the hall of fame for great revolutionaries. I can see it now... "the bloke who dared to boo after his title-chasing team only drew". Don't listen to what anyone says, you're making a real difference out there

[TurnipMasher]

Yes. That'll do it. An angry letter writing campaign...
When we win fuck all again for another decade after Wenger signs a contract extension, we can blame insipid fans like yourself.

What a hero you are. Like a modern day Nelson Mandela

Awesome. When do you get your superfan badge and special Arsene decoder ring in the mail?

About the same time you get inducted to the hall of fame for great revolutionaries. I can see it now... "the bloke who dared to boo after his title-chasing team only drew". Don't listen to what anyone says, you're making a real difference out there

"Dear Sir,
I am writing angrily to you to complain about a complete dullard on the Online Gooner forums, who simply refuses to acknowledge that Wenger is finished at Arsenal.
Could you please, at your earliest convenience, and if it is not too much trouble, provide me with some information on how to deal with cretins who can't see the blindingly obvious.
Yours sincerely,
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells."

Bet it makes fuck all difference.

[augie]

Booing at full time was the epitome of pathetic. Thankfully it didn't seem too widespread.

Explain why so - the fans had watched an insipid half arsed performance from a team that could have gone top last night. The fans had watched a manager send out his team with a cautious gameplan and he never changed it all night. They watched the manager refuse to bring on a player that he himself had described as the best goalscorer he has worked with, even though we needed a goal. Pathetic is being asked to pay over 80 quid to watch this shite show a lack of ambition and guts every fcuking season. The club are lucky it is only booing they are dealing with cos in some countries the place would be set alight long before now

Because we're 1 point off top of the league? I don't know if people were expecting us to stroll to our first league title in a decade but there were always going to be setbacks and so we respond by booing the team... I paid my 80 quid and can say that while the game was disappointing I saw no lack of effort. Paul Hayward writes some nonsense but he's spot on about some of our fans, we deserve to win fuck all if that's our approach to helping the team in adversity.

People expect us to stroll to the league ?? No but they sure as hell are entitled to expect that every employee of the club should do everything in it's power to bring success back to the club and they sure as hell aint getting that despite what you refuse to see. 99% of my anger at games like last night as directed to the c*nt in charge but there are other things, things that the players need to take responsibility for that are not being done - last night we needed to go for the jugular and we all knew that (except le cock of course ) but the players showed no level of urgency and showed no willingness to drive forward. Yes they got bullshit instructions as per usual and yes yet again le cock refused to change the instructions, but the players on the pitch need to take responsibility too and make things happen cos they know that wenker isn't going to change anything that will bring home the 3pts.

I have always been a big fan of arteta (and still am) but a man of his experience needs to be more proactive imo - yes the BFG has become a vocal leader but he is too far back to influence our attacking game so arteta needs to step up both in a vocal way, but also in his choice of passes. For me he needs to be a lot more aggressive/attack minded with his passing - continually passing the ball sidewards ensures that ozil and cazorla are going to drop deep to receive the ball from him and that takes them away from where they can do the most harm.

I think that the biggest reason why the booing should happen is that it reminds the club who we the fans are and what we expect. Everything the club does nowadays lacks ambition (unless it puts dollars in the bank ) and we see it in the transfer windows and we see it in the way our team is set up every single fcuking week - it seems that the club are sending out a big message saying that "this is what we are and we are happy with it"........well guess what, we the fans are not We want to be a part of a club that strives for on pitch success and we want to support a team that has the same mentality - we don't enjoy walking away from another game or season saying that we could have won a trophy if we were more aggressive in our approach but this year those words will absolutely ring true. We all know that the board wont sack wenker (even if they did ever lose faith in him) so the only hope is that we the fans send a strong public message that we are not happy and letter writing will not do that job. My hope (my only hope) is that wenker will realise that he no longer has the unconditional support of the fans, and he then takes offence to that and fcuks off but sitting there silently and quashing your dissatisfaction until you go down the pub with your mates or until you log on here, will never change things and will ensure that this groundhog cycle that we are on will last for a few more seasons yet

[TeeCee]

LDB - Keep it to the message boards or send an angry letter to the club or whatever poor diddums feels like doing but booing at the final whistle hardly shows great support for the players whether it's aimed at them or not.

Fuck having you next to me in a war!! Excuse making sheep like you are part of the reason Arsenal FC is completely fucked (and it is under the senile old muppet in charge). Thankfully history has been riddled with people who had foresight and ambition. Arsene Wonga is nothing but an old dinosaur, stuck in the late 1990's, believing in nothing but himself and wanting to make sure all his babies love him more than their mummy loves them. Wonga should have been kicked out 6 years ago, no ideas, no ambition, no tactics, no interest in anything but himself and having an easy, non-accountable job.
Wonga would have been laughed out of work in any other job but when HE himself employed his own boss the writing was on the wall.

Having said that, if he still refuses to sign a contract in the next three to four weeks it will be almost impossible for him to sign after that because our season will be over and we could well be rid of the parasite that has been sucking the life and fight out of Arsenal Football Club for many years.

[LDB]

Fuck having you next to me in a war!!

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing about the booing heroes.

Sticking with the war analogy though, you want level headed people next to you in times of war. Not petulant people who think they always know best about everything all the time. Everybody knows that the General knows best...

[northbank123]

LDB you're ignoring the context - our season has predictably started slipping away from us due to under-investment (as predicted by just about everyone) and yet again we've failed in a big game. As I posted in another thread our record vs top 3 going back six seasons is P38 W6 D8 L24, and when we're faced with by far the easiest opportunity of beating one of those teams Wenger shows zero endeavour to win the game and settles for a draw. We haven't really played well since November imo, we've gotten out of jail so many times since then and everyone can see Wenger fiddling whilst Rome burns and our season slips away.

Although tbh when things are pretty rosy in October as we beat a few shit teams on the bounce and start the CL group stages well the media will dredge up the booing with exactly the same lack of context you're using. Despite the extent to which our fans get mugged off the odd isolated booing makes it easy for the press to plaster us as petulant etc when it suits them.

[LDB]

LDB you're ignoring the context - our season has predictably started slipping away from us due to under-investment (as predicted by just about everyone) and yet again we've failed in a big game. As I posted in another thread our record vs top 3 going back six seasons is P38 W6 D8 L24, and when we're faced with by far the easiest opportunity of beating one of those teams Wenger shows zero endeavour to win the game and settles for a draw. We haven't really played well since November imo, we've gotten out of jail so many times since then and everyone can see Wenger fiddling whilst Rome burns and our season slips away.

Although tbh when things are pretty rosy in October as we beat a few shit teams on the bounce and start the CL group stages well the media will dredge up the booing with exactly the same lack of context you're using. Despite the extent to which our fans get mugged off the odd isolated booing makes it easy for the press to plaster us as petulant etc when it suits them.

On the contrary I'm all about context - the context is that we're one point off top. I can feel it slipping away too, I've said all season I don't think we'll win it but while we're still up there a bit of positivity in the stadium wouldn't hurt.

[Steve_I]

Good stuff LDB




Still for here

[northbank123]

Its not like it's just booing a poor performance though LDB. It was what many perceived to be a lack of effort, and what everybody recognised as a disgraceful lack of endeavour and ambition in not setting out to beat a team in United's state. The context is that we more or less buried any title aspirations off the pitch with our inactivity and now we're finishing our job with sheer negativity and cowardice.

We have been playing poorly at home in the last two months and to be fair the fans haven't gotten on the team's back much even though the Cardiff game and the first halves against Fulham and Palace were dire but even had we dropped points there certainly wouldn't have been considerable booing - it was not just the performance.

[arseofacrow]

The context is about the time up until now - the very same context that Wenger uses to say, "thanks you've won us things but you're over 30 mow and things have changed". The context is the shambolic recruitment policy sine Dein left.

If a friend lets you down 10 times, it wears you down. Even if for the last 6 months he's been ok once you see the signs of the same thing happending again, it's not like a clean slate - what's gone on before informs what happens now and how you react.

In turn, I think it's misguided to just talk about January. The thing that persistently keeps us in the top four (apart from in most years just having the 3rd biggest wage bill - paupers that we are smashing spurs out of the park ), is the thing that stops us from winning the league and it's painful to watch. If we changed manager, there's of course the chance of a Moyes. But there's also the chance of a Guardiola.

Unfortunately, the club has in hoodwinked our fans to the point that they are so frightened of falling out of the champions league, they are not prepared to risk a manager who might take us further and develop all of the good foundations laid by Wenger but have a different (better) recruitment, tactics and training policy.

I'm a cynical old but even I let my guard down at times and try to believe that Wenger has changed things. But, deep down I know that he can't win us the league again. Wheeling out the players and other staff to tell us the opposite just make me firmer in my belief.

[Gunner Rob]

LDB you're ignoring the context - our season has predictably started slipping away from us due to under-investment (as predicted by just about everyone) and yet again we've failed in a big game. As I posted in another thread our record vs top 3 going back six seasons is P38 W6 D8 L24, and when we're faced with by far the easiest opportunity of beating one of those teams Wenger shows zero endeavour to win the game and settles for a draw. We haven't really played well since November imo, we've gotten out of jail so many times since then and everyone can see Wenger fiddling whilst Rome burns and our season slips away.

Although tbh when things are pretty rosy in October as we beat a few shit teams on the bounce and start the CL group stages well the media will dredge up the booing with exactly the same lack of context you're using. Despite the extent to which our fans get mugged off the odd isolated booing makes it easy for the press to plaster us as petulant etc when it suits them.

On the contrary I'm all about context - the context is that we're one point off top. I can feel it slipping away too, I've said all season I don't think we'll win it but while we're still up there a bit of positivity in the stadium wouldn't hurt.

I am sick of hearing "we are still top" or "we are only 1 point off the top"
the problem is there is NO HOPE that we will remain there. I am still waiting for us to beat either City, Chelsea or United. I think I have been waiting 2 years now. How many more poor performances in the games that matter are you prepared to sit through? Arsenal have now gone 9 years since it last won a trophy - the worst period since the 1960s and yet the manager appears to be on the brink of being offered the most lucrative contract in the club's history!

we sold the best striker at the club in May 2012 and he has not been replaced! And yet the club has got the audacity to announce rises to ticket prices for next season. it is a complete disgrace and it is about time that supporters got wise to the fact that each season is a giant con. the club is set up to reach the top 4 and thats it. there is no ambition to aim for anything higher - if proof was needed look at how Wenger approached the Chelsea and United home games - he was happy to settle for a point on both occasions. Pathetic

[begeegs]

Ok - I was on the fence and giving Wenger credit for listening to Bould, but I really hope that he doesn't sign a new contract. I'd love a manager who comes in to retain Bould as he is really a huge reason that we have had some solidarity without the ball this year.

After watching Wenger trot back to his seat during the closing minutes against Utd, he looked like he was going to piss his pants as he bit his nails. It was the chance to respond and I am sorry Giroud, but that was not a response.

The lack of anything other that pretty triangles and the occasional cross in our attacking play means that we are quite easy to defend against still and I think that another approach is needed. Roll on May and the goodbye speech.

I don't see him signing because if it is groundhog day again this year, the fans will probably give him dogs abuse and I can't see him sticking around for 3 more years of that.

[Sam59]

Wenger's personal beef with Podolski is negatively affecting the team. That's yet another example of poor management.
What IS his problem with Poldi, does anyone know? Maybe he made a joke at OGL's expense or criticised the Humourless One's tactics or team selection?

[Chippy]

LDB you're ignoring the context - our season has predictably started slipping away from us due to under-investment (as predicted by just about everyone) and yet again we've failed in a big game. As I posted in another thread our record vs top 3 going back six seasons is P38 W6 D8 L24, and when we're faced with by far the easiest opportunity of beating one of those teams Wenger shows zero endeavour to win the game and settles for a draw. We haven't really played well since November imo, we've gotten out of jail so many times since then and everyone can see Wenger fiddling whilst Rome burns and our season slips away.

Although tbh when things are pretty rosy in October as we beat a few shit teams on the bounce and start the CL group stages well the media will dredge up the booing with exactly the same lack of context you're using. Despite the extent to which our fans get mugged off the odd isolated booing makes it easy for the press to plaster us as petulant etc when it suits them.

On the contrary I'm all about context - the context is that we're one point off top. I can feel it slipping away too, I've said all season I don't think we'll win it but while we're still up there a bit of positivity in the stadium wouldn't hurt.

Agree totally mate, it would have been great to see a positive response from the manager and players.

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

It's the manager who creates the fighting spirit with his key players during times like this. Players doesn't just decide that they are performing like lambs and looking like they don't give a fuck in important games. It's down to the manager to make sure that they give absolutely everything. If the manager gives fuck all so how can we except anything from the team.

I'm a managing director in a Nordic company and believe me, sales organization doesn't perform nearly as good as they can if I don't demand results, commitment and giving all they can. There has to be consequences if you show shit performance, It's the same in sports. Except for Arsenal.