Abou Diaby - Injuries Thread

[SteveO 35]

Hopefully Abou will be back for the FA Cup Final

[officepest]

Hopefully Abou will be back for the FA Cup Final in 2019

[TeeCee]

Donkey Diaby will come out on the pitch to join the other players celebrating our FA cup win.
The cup will be passed around to Donkey.....who will take it....then drop it on his metatarsal and be out for another 9 months.
This guy will last no more than 20 mins on his comeback. Dead wood.

[mcdowell42]

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[SteveO 35]

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Sign the bloke up now !

He can make Abou the footballer I know he can be - our first £100m man

[northbank123]

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Arsenal's injury problems are down to incompetent training methods, and tantamount to ''self-destruction'', claims Raymond Verheijen

Verheijen has done himself zero favours but to my mind he speaks an immense amount of sense. The stuff he's said about Feyernoord, Bellamy, City and now Arsenal certainly seems to have a lot of basis, and it was him and Osian Roberts who were responsible for Wales' dramatic improvement imo more than Gary Speed.

Obviously I am not privy to our exact training methods and am not an expert on fitness and conditioning but he rationalises his theory on us well with examples (like Walcott). Might not be conclusive but certainly poses major questions.

I do find it crazy that you find top level clubs whose entire fitness training methods are primarily devised by managers (who are generally not experts in fitness + conditioning). Take City as an example - Verheijen was employed there under Mancini - I can only imagine what a bloke who played in Italian football in the 90s thinks of as appropriate fitness training. Verheijen as an expert in the field disagreed with Mancini's draconian methods like double sessions in pre-season, Mancini thought he knew best and pied him off and subsequently City picked up a ridiculous number of muscular strains etc. Unfortunately for Verheijen he is an unpalatable character and too easy to belittle as bitter and self-interested.

Would absolutely love to have him on board when Wenger goes, I think he's fucking brilliant and we'd see a huge improvement not only in terms of number of injuries but also seeing players performing at higher levels.

[QuartzGooner]

Same interview was published a month ago.

Thing is, did we have loads of injuries under Wenger during the 2002-2004 era?

I do not have the stats to hand.

Then again, the game has got more intense since then, more ground covered at higher average speeds.

I think players are brought back too much too soon, the Walcott example seems right.

[northbank123]

Same interview was published a month ago.

Thing is, did we have loads of injuries under Wenger during the 2002-2004 era?

I do not have the stats to hand.

Then again, the game has got more intense since then, more ground covered at higher average speeds.

I think players are brought back too much too soon, the Walcott example seems right.

To be honest it's the sort of thing that you'd probably need a few hours with Verheijen understanding how he works and then in-depth analysis of the nature and frequency of injuries, a detailed analysis of our training, detailed statistics explained etc to reach a truly informed view.

A few lines here is a massive watering-down/simplification of his work, but as we've both hinted at even at that basic level he poses a few basic questions to be answered.

Like I said I don't just think it's a case of needing to avoid more injuries, I really think somebody like him could help our players perform closer to their peak.

I have heard mention of our medical staff having a 'red zone' when analysing fatigue/fitness, does anybody know what it is? I know that when Verheijen joined the Wales team he introduced daily saliva and blood tests whilst on international duty and tailored a player's training schedule around that. Apparently pissed off some players who insisted they were physically fine but the tests indicated otherwise as they were forced to do lighter training but ultimately won the players round (as borne out by their clear desire for him and Roberts to take the reins after Speed's death) and proved successful in ensuring players were hitting their peak fitness level on matchdays as Wales looked far fresher and far sharper than the opposition.

[augie]

I'm a dinosaur and I accept that, but this red zone bollox really pisses me off - even the most average players in our club earn more in a week than most of us do in a year but yet they are tired ?? Their "work" requires them to train for a few hours a day and play a match or two a week so surely they have enough time in their days to rest and recuperate ? Some people might try and defend them citing things like mental pressure/fatigue but let me suggest that they try working 60 hour weeks trying to feed their families and keep their homes and keep their heads above water and then they might appreciate what mental pressure really is

If a player is in need of a rest then let him skip training for a few days but tiredness should not be used as a defence for poor performances

[QuartzGooner]

Augie

You can pay a player a million pounds per week, if he is tired he is tired.

I know that Wenger said Ljungberg was unable to play as a striker more than once a week, he simply could not recover his pace if he made too many sprints, as opposed to his more regular fast running on the wing which was just below sprint speed.

Playing two games per week plus travel seems like a doddle to working people, but the blunt truth is that it does effect an athlete's performance at top level, it affects their ability to be at 100%.

Wenger is known as a scientific manager with all kinds of blood tests and regular dentist visits.
Wonder how what we do differs from the Wales squad?
I also hope that surely our staff must have gone over to the USA and seen what Kroenke's teams do, the Americans are supposed to be ahead of the pack at sports science?

I will repeat myself but I feel that Osteopaths should be used as part of regular training, not just in response to injuries.
A good cranial Osteopath can not only detect minor posture imbalances that lead to injury, they can also work to revitalise a tired athlete and get an extra 1% from their performance...that can be the winning margin.

[DB10GOONER]

I'm a dinosaur and I accept that, but this red zone bollox really pisses me off - even the most average players in our club earn more in a week than most of us do in a year but yet they are tired ?? Their "work" requires them to train for a few hours a day and play a match or two a week so surely they have enough time in their days to rest and recuperate ? Some people might try and defend them citing things like mental pressure/fatigue but let me suggest that they try working 60 hour weeks trying to feed their families and keep their homes and keep their heads above water and then they might appreciate what mental pressure really is

If a player is in need of a rest then let him skip training for a few days but tiredness should not be used as a defence for poor performances

Whilst I agree with your sentiments augie, especially as I also view the vast majority of modern players as soft pampered spoilt ladybitches for the most part, your argument misses the one key point; pressure and stress and mental fatigue are subjective problems and are entirely self generated, relevant to their individual situations, needs, desires and ambitions etc. How stressed and pressured you are is totally subjective to your perspective. These players (whilst being soft bitches) are mostly Alpha type personalities, driven to win, succeed, to be the best, so their feelings of stress and pressure are as legit as yours or mine, relevant to our situations and daily pressures.

And yes, that is probably the gayest thing I've ever written on here.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I'm a dinosaur and I accept that, but this red zone bollox really pisses me off - even the most average players in our club earn more in a week than most of us do in a year but yet they are tired ?? Their "work" requires them to train for a few hours a day and play a match or two a week so surely they have enough time in their days to rest and recuperate ? Some people might try and defend them citing things like mental pressure/fatigue but let me suggest that they try working 60 hour weeks trying to feed their families and keep their homes and keep their heads above water and then they might appreciate what mental pressure really is

If a player is in need of a rest then let him skip training for a few days but tiredness should not be used as a defence for poor performances

Whilst I agree with your sentiments augie, especially as I also view the vast majority of modern players as soft pampered spoilt ladybitches for the most part, your argument misses the one key point; pressure and stress and mental fatigue are subjective problems and are entirely self generated, relevant to their individual situations, needs, desires and ambitions etc. How stressed and pressured you are is totally subjective to your perspective. These players (whilst being soft bitches) are mostly Alpha type personalities, driven to win, succeed, to be the best, so their feelings of stress and pressure are as legit as yours or mine, relevant to our situations and daily pressures.

And yes, that is probably the gayest thing I've ever written on here.

Oh, I don't know about that sweetie

[DB10GOONER]

I'm a dinosaur and I accept that, but this red zone bollox really pisses me off - even the most average players in our club earn more in a week than most of us do in a year but yet they are tired ?? Their "work" requires them to train for a few hours a day and play a match or two a week so surely they have enough time in their days to rest and recuperate ? Some people might try and defend them citing things like mental pressure/fatigue but let me suggest that they try working 60 hour weeks trying to feed their families and keep their homes and keep their heads above water and then they might appreciate what mental pressure really is

If a player is in need of a rest then let him skip training for a few days but tiredness should not be used as a defence for poor performances

Whilst I agree with your sentiments augie, especially as I also view the vast majority of modern players as soft pampered spoilt ladybitches for the most part, your argument misses the one key point; pressure and stress and mental fatigue are subjective problems and are entirely self generated, relevant to their individual situations, needs, desires and ambitions etc. How stressed and pressured you are is totally subjective to your perspective. These players (whilst being soft bitches) are mostly Alpha type personalities, driven to win, succeed, to be the best, so their feelings of stress and pressure are as legit as yours or mine, relevant to our situations and daily pressures.

And yes, that is probably the gayest thing I've ever written on here.

Oh, I don't know about that sweetie

Yep - I'll pitch them, you catch them. Just like back in prison huh Lefty?

Or should I say "Mrs DB10"?

[augie]

I'm a dinosaur and I accept that, but this red zone bollox really pisses me off - even the most average players in our club earn more in a week than most of us do in a year but yet they are tired ?? Their "work" requires them to train for a few hours a day and play a match or two a week so surely they have enough time in their days to rest and recuperate ? Some people might try and defend them citing things like mental pressure/fatigue but let me suggest that they try working 60 hour weeks trying to feed their families and keep their homes and keep their heads above water and then they might appreciate what mental pressure really is

If a player is in need of a rest then let him skip training for a few days but tiredness should not be used as a defence for poor performances

Whilst I agree with your sentiments augie, especially as I also view the vast majority of modern players as soft pampered spoilt ladybitches for the most part, your argument misses the one key point; pressure and stress and mental fatigue are subjective problems and are entirely self generated, relevant to their individual situations, needs, desires and ambitions etc. How stressed and pressured you are is totally subjective to your perspective. These players (whilst being soft bitches) are mostly Alpha type personalities, driven to win, succeed, to be the best, so their feelings of stress and pressure are as legit as yours or mine, relevant to our situations and daily pressures.

And yes, that is probably the gayest thing I've ever written on here.

Oh, I don't know about that sweetie

Yep - I'll pitch them, you catch them. Just like back in prison huh Lefty?

Or should I say "Mrs DB10"?

A Dublin scumbag spending time in prison.......who would have guessed it ?

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I'm a dinosaur and I accept that, but this red zone bollox really pisses me off - even the most average players in our club earn more in a week than most of us do in a year but yet they are tired ?? Their "work" requires them to train for a few hours a day and play a match or two a week so surely they have enough time in their days to rest and recuperate ? Some people might try and defend them citing things like mental pressure/fatigue but let me suggest that they try working 60 hour weeks trying to feed their families and keep their homes and keep their heads above water and then they might appreciate what mental pressure really is

If a player is in need of a rest then let him skip training for a few days but tiredness should not be used as a defence for poor performances

Whilst I agree with your sentiments augie, especially as I also view the vast majority of modern players as soft pampered spoilt ladybitches for the most part, your argument misses the one key point; pressure and stress and mental fatigue are subjective problems and are entirely self generated, relevant to their individual situations, needs, desires and ambitions etc. How stressed and pressured you are is totally subjective to your perspective. These players (whilst being soft bitches) are mostly Alpha type personalities, driven to win, succeed, to be the best, so their feelings of stress and pressure are as legit as yours or mine, relevant to our situations and daily pressures.

And yes, that is probably the gayest thing I've ever written on here.

Oh, I don't know about that sweetie

Yep - I'll pitch them, you catch them. Just like back in prison huh Lefty?

Or should I say "Mrs DB10"?

If I remember rightly it was you dropping the soap