Just to put some perspective

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

We're going to finish 4th= champions league footy next season. Last season we finished 4th after a season of stressing. This season my anxiety has been non-existent. I can't say that for Manure who are not going to be in the champions league next year. That is 40m down the drain in revenue. Moyes has a 32m 6 year deal They have spent like 70m on crap. Liverpool may be in cl next season but after 3 years and a huge investment of finances, the damage done is huge.

Am I dissapointed with the way things have gone the past 9 years? Just as much as anyone else on this board and I have cursed AW's name a number of times. Today however, I just feel bad for him. I say lets get behind Arsene Wenger. I really mean that, until atleast the end of the season. I really want us to win the FA cup but not for the fans or the club but for Arsene Wenger. This time it's different- Wenger deserves a send off & there is a huge opportunity to do that.

Today was another day of humiliation but I would rather have 3 days of humiliation and have a trophy than be Chelsea and *fingers crossed* not win anything.

I would LOVE it if Mourinho wins nothing this year and Wenger does. Let's get behind the man and FUCKING DO IT!

[northbank123]

Just to put some perspective: your username is spendsum4uckingmoney, your picture is a banner bemoaning our lack of spending preventing us from winning trophies, yet at the end of last season you were enthusiastically agreeing with Gary Neville's populist and vapid endorsement of the way we have handled the move from Highbury (i.e. selling our best players and not replacing them).

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

Just to put some perspective: your username is spendsum4uckingmoney, your picture is a banner bemoaning our lack of spending preventing us from winning trophies, yet at the end of last season you were enthusiastically agreeing with Gary Neville's populist and vapid endorsement of the way we have handled the move from Highbury (i.e. selling our best players and not replacing them).

I am trying to decipher if you are sensing a contradiction. My point is all of the above at this stage doesn't matter. There is no transfer window. There is only what we have right now and I don't want to go back to Arsenal fans booing and sitting on their hands. The negativity feeds down to the players.

[topcat]

We're going to finish 4th= champions league footy next season. Last season we finished 4th after a season of stressing. This season my anxiety has been non-existent. I can't say that for Manure who are not going to be in the champions league next year. That is 40m down the drain in revenue. Moyes has a 32m 6 year deal They have spent like 70m on crap. Liverpool may be in cl next season but after 3 years and a huge investment of finances, the damage done is huge.

Am I dissapointed with the way things have gone the past 9 years? Just as much as anyone else on this board and I have cursed AW's name a number of times. Today however, I just feel bad for him. I say lets get behind Arsene Wenger. I really mean that, until atleast the end of the season. I really want us to win the FA cup but not for the fans or the club but for Arsene Wenger. This time it's different- Wenger deserves a send off & there is a huge opportunity to do that.

Today was another day of humiliation but I would rather have 3 days of humiliation and have a trophy than be Chelsea and *fingers crossed* not win anything.

I would LOVE it if Mourinho wins nothing this year and Wenger does. Let's get behind the man and FUCKING DO IT!

you've definitely had a few beers tonight.

[northbank123]

Just to put some perspective: your username is spendsum4uckingmoney, your picture is a banner bemoaning our lack of spending preventing us from winning trophies, yet at the end of last season you were enthusiastically agreeing with Gary Neville's populist and vapid endorsement of the way we have handled the move from Highbury (i.e. selling our best players and not replacing them).

I am trying to decipher if you are sensing a contradiction. My point is all of the above at this stage doesn't matter. There is no transfer window. There is only what we have right now and I don't want to go back to Arsenal fans booing and sitting on their hands. The negativity feeds down to the players.

A contradiction? Let me see, somebody whose name and picture for as long as I remember has been criticising the club for not spending money and winning trophies then turns round and applauds the way the club has been run since 2006 (i.e. pennypinching) and starts getting very excited about CL revenue (not that it's done us any fucking good at all). This forum isn't a silly contest about who hates Wenger and the board more, but given your praise of the way we've handled our affairs since the move after the Newcastle game in May I don't think you can really claim to be as disappointed as anyone else on this forum about the way things have gone.

It would be an absolute disaster if our chances of winning the FA Cup were scuppered by fans' discontent at Wenger, but that is simply not going to happen. Some of the vitriolic personal abuse on here is several stages beyond cringeworthy, but to be honest Wenger missed the dignified exit stage years ago. I will always be immensely grateful for the wonderful football and success of his first decade but as a fan I don't feel I owe him shit right now. I will support the club out of love but no fucking way does that mean getting behind Arsene Wenger.

[markyp]

I think the perfect ending now to this season would be winning the fa cup then Wenker announcing hes leaving,i think in a nut shell that's what spendsum4uckingmoney is on about,unfortunately that's two things that wont happen

[officepest]

Just to put some perspective: your username is spendsum4uckingmoney, your picture is a banner bemoaning our lack of spending preventing us from winning trophies, yet at the end of last season you were enthusiastically agreeing with Gary Neville's populist and vapid endorsement of the way we have handled the move from Highbury (i.e. selling our best players and not replacing them).

I am trying to decipher if you are sensing a contradiction. My point is all of the above at this stage doesn't matter. There is no transfer window. There is only what we have right now and I don't want to go back to Arsenal fans booing and sitting on their hands. The negativity feeds down to the players.

As does, I'm sure, Wenger's tactical idiocy of playing on the half-way line away at our title rivals and his rigidity in playing the same formation week in week out, with only minor personnel changes.

Yes, Mourinho and Chelsea are quite the pairing, but I couldn't give a monkey's what they get up to while we take kicking after pasting at our 'title rivals' and Wenger sits watching.

As for "booing and sitting . . ." well, what should they do? politely clap and chant OAW as Szczesny picks the ball out of his net for the nth time?

[topgoon]

[quote="spendsum4uckingmoney"]We're going to finish 4th= champions league footy next season. Last season we finished 4th after a season of stressing. This season my anxiety has been non-existent. I can't say that for Manure who are not going to be in the champions league next year. That is 40m down the drain in revenue. Moyes has a 32m 6 year deal They have spent like 70m on crap. Liverpool may be in cl next season but after 3 years and a huge investment of finances, the damage done is huge.

Am I dissapointed with the way things have gone the past 9 years? Just as much as anyone else on this board and I have cursed AW's name a number of times. Today however, I just feel bad for him. I say lets get behind Arsene Wenger. I really mean that, until atleast the end of the season. I really want us to win the FA cup but not for the fans or the club but for Arsene Wenger. This time it's different- Wenger deserves a send off & there is a huge opportunity to do that.

Today was another day of humiliation but I would rather have 3 days of humiliation and have a trophy than be Chelsea and *fingers crossed* not win anything.

I would LOVE it if Mourinho wins nothing this year and Wenger does. Let's get behind the man and FUCKING DO IT![/quote]


I'm with NB123, you would have been on safer ground asking us to get behind the team. Today I not the day to exoect many on here to be behind AW unless they are wielding weapons which would not surpise me judging by the level of vitriol on here tonight.

But I'm with you on one point, I want us to go all out for the FA cup but I'm just not sure he can motivate them anymore for grand occasions

[spendsum4uckingmoney]

Just to put some perspective: your username is spendsum4uckingmoney, your picture is a banner bemoaning our lack of spending preventing us from winning trophies, yet at the end of last season you were enthusiastically agreeing with Gary Neville's populist and vapid endorsement of the way we have handled the move from Highbury (i.e. selling our best players and not replacing them).

I am trying to decipher if you are sensing a contradiction. My point is all of the above at this stage doesn't matter. There is no transfer window. There is only what we have right now and I don't want to go back to Arsenal fans booing and sitting on their hands. The negativity feeds down to the players.

A contradiction? Let me see, somebody whose name and picture for as long as I remember has been criticising the club for not spending money and winning trophies then turns round and applauds the way the club has been run since 2006 (i.e. pennypinching) and starts getting very excited about CL revenue (not that it's done us any fucking good at all). This forum isn't a silly contest about who hates Wenger and the board more, but given your praise of the way we've handled our affairs since the move after the Newcastle game in May I don't think you can really claim to be as disappointed as anyone else on this forum about the way things have gone.

It would be an absolute disaster if our chances of winning the FA Cup were scuppered by fans' discontent at Wenger, but that is simply not going to happen. Some of the vitriolic personal abuse on here is several stages beyond cringeworthy, but to be honest Wenger missed the dignified exit stage years ago. I will always be immensely grateful for the wonderful football and success of his first decade but as a fan I don't feel I owe him shit right now. I will support the club out of love but no fucking way does that mean getting behind Arsene Wenger.

To put my views simply:

Do I agree with the move? Yes, I think it was important for the club.
Do I agree with our financial policies. No.
The praise after the Newc game was because of the FFP rules and the commercial deal that was announced. It wasn't my fault that we got Ozil, who I labelled as a panic signing before anyone else in this forum. You can blame Wenger for that if you want but it doesn't change the situation right now.
Finally, I have stated numerous times that getting rid of Wenger wont miraculously turn the club around. Our physios, coaching team & scouting team are a fucking joke.

I just think the negativity is counter productive when we are still in with a shot of winning the FA cup. I don't want us to blow it for a vendetta against a specialist in mediocrity.

[northbank123]

On the issue of the way the club has been run for the past decade we clearly disagree but we've both made our views clear so I certainly don't wish to flog that dead horse any longer.

I agree that getting rid of Wenger will not provide a magic solution - whilst we have Kroenke in charge watching his prospective profits when he sells up we are going to be fighting an uphill battle. But whilst there's no GUARANTEE of us winning the league under a new manager, there's no CHANCE of us doing it under Wenger. And the other factors you mention - coaching, medical and physio methods - will all undoubtedly be reviewed and redressed by a new manager.

As for the negativity it's a Wenger-perpetuated excuse that it has hampered us before (not to mention supposedly holding Ramsey back for years). I used to go to most games and still get to a few and I can honestly say I've heard very little dissent in the grand scheme of things and whilst there will be an air of frustration and tension Wenger has held tremendous support in the face of much worse. Every Gooner I know is buzzing about the prospect of Wembley and the great opportunity to win the FA Cup, whilst we generally don't generate a brilliant atmosphere at home games we aren't going to turn on the team and if we blow it it will be down to Wenger and the players.

[clockender1]

not a chance.

Arsenal fans have what 4/5 chances to show their displeasure at this charlatan who takes money under false pretences and who earns five million of our pounds every year.

if Arsenal fans have any guts they should be holding up pieces of paper with just P 45 on it at the swansea game.


and don't forget, the seasons not over yet - we still have a dicking from City due to us.

[goonersid]

Get behind him?? Are you fucking serious?
It was fitting that Wenkers 1000th game "the biggest of the year" ended in utter fucking humiliation, like so many of our big games have in recent years.
Even more fitting was that it was at the hands of Jose Mourinho whose arrival at stamford bridge coincided with Wenkers decline, and the one man outspoken enough to call Wenker for what he is "a specialist in failure, and I for one admire and commend him for that. If Wenker was to stay for another 1000 games and play them all against Mourinho, he wouldn't win a sinsle fucking one.
Mourinho is many things, but one which is indisputable is that he is a winner.
We now need to ask ourselves, what winning the FA cup would actually bring in the long term, and if it is a contract extension for Wenker, then count me out, and an exit to Wigan would suit me better.
As for Wenker if he had one ounce of decency or self respect left, then he would make himself an appointment at a secluded clinic in Switzerland and put both himself and tens of thousands of long suffering gooners out of their fucking misery.

[goonersid]

Get behind him?? Are you fucking serious?
It was fitting that Wenkers 1000th game "the biggest of the year" ended in utter fucking humiliation, like so many of our big games have in recent years.
Even more fitting was that it was at the hands of Jose Mourinho whose arrival at stamford bridge coincided with Wenkers decline, and the one man outspoken enough to call Wenker for what he is "a specialist in failure, and I for one admire and commend him for that. If Wenker was to stay for another 1000 games and play them all against Mourinho, he wouldn't win a sinsle fucking one.
Mourinho is many things, but one which is indisputable is that he is a winner.
We now need to ask ourselves, what winning the FA cup would actually bring in the long term, and if it is a contract extension for Wenker, then count me out, and an exit to Wigan would suit me better.
As for Wenker if he had one ounce of decency or self respect left, then he would make himself an appointment at a secluded clinic in Switzerland and put both himself and tens of thousands of long suffering gooners out of their fucking misery.

[TeeCee]

I really want us to win the FA cup but not for the fans or the club but for Arsene Wenger.

That is the single worst quote I have seen on here in the last 5 years. Ridiculous. You feel sorry for a man who has no accountability, earns over £140k a week, and who has lied to the fans throughout every season for the last 9 years??

Total bollocks. Sorry, but it's total bollocks and Wonga 'deserves' absolutely nothing from the fans, he has taken the piss out of us for years and years and holds the fans in contempt, just look at his comments when he has felt a little bit of pressure in the past.
The man is a leech, sucking the life from the club and destroying so many hardcore Gooners love for it.

Wonga, Kranky and Gazidis all know that 4th place is their target and that's why Wonga has never been sacked, he hits his target every year.

[scotgooner]

Get behind him?? Are you fucking serious?
It was fitting that Wenkers 1000th game "the biggest of the year" ended in utter fucking humiliation, like so many of our big games have in recent years.
Even more fitting was that it was at the hands of Jose Mourinho whose arrival at stamford bridge coincided with Wenkers decline, and the one man outspoken enough to call Wenker for what he is "a specialist in failure, and I for one admire and commend him for that. If Wenker was to stay for another 1000 games and play them all against Mourinho, he wouldn't win a sinsle fucking one.
Mourinho is many things, but one which is indisputable is that he is a winner.
We now need to ask ourselves, what winning the FA cup would actually bring in the long term, and if it is a contract extension for Wenker, then count me out, and an exit to Wigan would suit me better.
As for Wenker if he had one ounce of decency or self respect left, then he would make himself an appointment at a secluded clinic in Switzerland and put both himself and tens of thousands of long suffering gooners out of their fucking misery.

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