A Post-Wenger World

[gp543]

For argument's sake, he goes at the end of the season. Who would your replacement candidates be? Ignoring, for the moment, that Kroenke/Gazidis have never had to hire a manager before and confidence is low that they'll do a good job of it. I've listed a few below to kick it off.


Diego Simeone, 43, Argentine, Current manager of Atletico Madrid:

One of the main attractions of hiring Simeone would be the possible players he could bring with him, namely Diego Costa. Is Costa that loyal to Simeone? I doubt it, as he's not even loyal to his home nation. He's won the Europa League, UEFA Super Cup and Copa del Rey with Atletico and currently has them in pole position to win La Liga.

Jurgen Klopp, 46, German, Current manager of Borussia Dortmund:

This case is pretty well known. Won the Bundeslisa twice in a row, got to the CL final in 2013. However, he's extended his contract until June 2018, Dortmund sell most of their best players, and his team are currently 25 off the pace in a non-competitive Bundesliga. He's also a bit of a mentalist, but in a good way.

Frank de Boer, 43, Dutch, Current manager of Ajax:

Dennis would hopefully come with him. He's won 3 league titles but he's also an Ajax legend and never done it in a major league.

Jorge Jesus, 59, Portuguese, Current manager of Benfica:

He's won 3 league cups in Portugal and as well as a league title, made the Europa League final and his squad are 7 points clear at the top presently.


I'm sure there will be other suggestions. Let's have them.

[JVCRules]

It could be a risk in turning into Man United Mark 2, leave him alone!!!!

[Theoperator]

A few say Martinez, but Im not sure he quite has it myself at the top top level. He may do but many thought that Moyes did.

Jesus is a good outsider, especially as we have had some peoples God since 1996.

Anchelotti people mentioned and he would do the job well.

Klopps definately my fave, class & charisma. Wrighty was extolling him the other night.

On the other hand Warnock and Billy Davies are free

[officepest]

Can see this being merged with the Wenger thread but here's my two Penn'orth.

Klopp: Should defineitely be considered as has experience of winning in spite of being completely under-powered compared to FC Bayern. Would most likely also try to bring in quality like Hummels and gundogan etc.

I'm not sure he'd be confident enough with his English to accurately get across his message though but that could be easliy worked around initially.

Martinez: All things considered he'd be my first choice. He has been around long enough and knows the league. He seems tactically astute and has a good eye for a player too, also gives young players a chance so would fit in with the inevitable Arsene legacy goals.

He seems a very good fit if you consider where we are as a club right now.

Hiddink: Gone back to the Netherlands.

van Gaal: Is he off to the dicks down the road? Is an accompished manager but also a massive egotistical tool.

Simeone: Grade-A arsehole who is working nothing short of a miracle at as-near-as-makes-no-difference bankrupt Atletico. Sound defensively and takes no shit so he's got to be in the mix.

Lack of prem experience may hurt or count against him though.

Farkin' spelling.

[gp543]

Can see this being merged with the Wenger thread but here's my two Penn'orth.

Klopp: Should defineitely be considered as has experience of winning in spite of being completely under-powered compared to FC Bayern. Would most likely also try to bring in quality like Hummels and gundogan etc.

I'm not sure he'd be confident enough with his English to accurately get acorss his message though but that could be easliy worked around initially.

Martinez: All things considered he'd be my first choice. He has been around long enough and knows the league. He seems tactically astute and has a good eye for a player too, also gives young players a chnace so would fit in with the inevitable Arsene legacy goals.

He seems a very good fit if you consider where we are as a club right now.

Hiddink: Gone back to the Netherlands.

van Gaal: Is he off to the dicks down the road? Is an accompished manager but also a massive egotistical tool.

Simeone: Grade-A arsehole who is working nothing short of a miracle at as near as makes noi difference bankrupt Atletico. Sound defensively and takes no shit so he's got to be in the mix.

Lack of prem experience may hurt or count against him though.

Mods, can we keep it separate as the thread is intended to be a discussion on just replacements rather than Wenger himself?

[DB10GOONER]

Can see this being merged with the Wenger thread but here's my two Penn'orth.

Klopp: Should defineitely be considered as has experience of winning in spite of being completely under-powered compared to FC Bayern. Would most likely also try to bring in quality like Hummels and gundogan etc.

I'm not sure he'd be confident enough with his English to accurately get acorss his message though but that could be easliy worked around initially.

Martinez: All things considered he'd be my first choice. He has been around long enough and knows the league. He seems tactically astute and has a good eye for a player too, also gives young players a chnace so would fit in with the inevitable Arsene legacy goals.

He seems a very good fit if you consider where we are as a club right now.

Hiddink: Gone back to the Netherlands.

van Gaal: Is he off to the dicks down the road? Is an accompished manager but also a massive egotistical tool.

Simeone: Grade-A arsehole who is working nothing short of a miracle at as near as makes noi difference bankrupt Atletico. Sound defensively and takes no shit so he's got to be in the mix.

Lack of prem experience may hurt or count against him though.

Mods, can we keep it separate as the thread is intended to be a discussion on just replacements rather than Wenger himself?

I dunno....

Alot of this same stuff is discussed on the Wenger thread... if it stays totally about possible new managers and doesn't turn into another Wenger slag-fest we'll leave it alone, but if it goes tits up (without actual pictures of tits ) then it'll be merged quicker than you can say "Quartz fucked up another thread!".

[goonersid]

The most important thing is to get rid of Wenker, I don't care who comes in, at least we will have made the leap which will allow us to judge a new man on what he does now, rather than 10 years ago.
Bottom of my list, but someone I would be willing to take a punt on is Martinez.
Top would be Low after the world cup.
There are so many managers out there who could get more out of this squad of players and improve us further with a few decent buys, but what any decent manager will bring, would be tactical nous. I don't believe we have anything to fear as regards the future, only a contract extension for Wenger.

[goonersid]

Can see this being merged with the Wenger thread but here's my two Penn'orth.

Klopp: Should defineitely be considered as has experience of winning in spite of being completely under-powered compared to FC Bayern. Would most likely also try to bring in quality like Hummels and gundogan etc.

I'm not sure he'd be confident enough with his English to accurately get acorss his message though but that could be easliy worked around initially.

Martinez: All things considered he'd be my first choice. He has been around long enough and knows the league. He seems tactically astute and has a good eye for a player too, also gives young players a chnace so would fit in with the inevitable Arsene legacy goals.

He seems a very good fit if you consider where we are as a club right now.

Hiddink: Gone back to the Netherlands.

van Gaal: Is he off to the dicks down the road? Is an accompished manager but also a massive egotistical tool.

Simeone: Grade-A arsehole who is working nothing short of a miracle at as near as makes noi difference bankrupt Atletico. Sound defensively and takes no shit so he's got to be in the mix.

Lack of prem experience may hurt or count against him though.

Mods, can we keep it separate as the thread is intended to be a discussion on just replacements rather than Wenger himself?

I dunno....

Alot of this same stuff is discussed on the Wenger thread... if it stays totally about possible new managers and doesn't turn into another Wenger slag-fest we'll leave it alone, but if it goes tits up (without actual pictures of tits ) then it'll be merged quicker than you can say "Quartz fucked up another thread!".

Wenger is a **********************

[rodders999]

I would take any of those names in a heart beat and every single one of them would improve things instantly. The feeling of euphoria once we are finally liberated is going to over whelm us, Arsenal will be unrecognisable next year

[Gooner_Sam]

Ancelotti would be brilliant, Real Madrid tend to sack their managers if they don't win the league or champions league so if he fails to do both then he's available. Thought he was fantastic at Chelsea and was treated like a twat by Abramovich, I'd have him.

Simeone would be my second choice, worked wonders at Atletico. I like the way he's completely bonkers on the touch line if things aren't going his teams way and wants to mix it up a bit. Wenger sits on his arse for the full 90. He's broke the two horse race in La Liga against all the odds and money those sides have spent, his side are now top of the league.

Klopp is a fantastic character and looks a fantastic man manager. Shows his players plenty of encouragement and passion. I think anybody in world football would love to play for him.

Martinez for me is still a work in progress, he will see that himself and will want to stay in a stable environment for another few seasons. Everton board show a lot of faith in their managers and will be keen to keep him after losing Moyes last season.

[Theoperator]

Funny how things taint thinking, I cant bear Simeone for getting Beckham sent off V Argentina, total scum, that cynical nob as Beckham went off will never be forgiven, will find him hard to forgive, unless of course he wins us a trophy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zTne4JzgBM

Re Klopps language, were a pretty German dominated team now

[remigardeshair]

To turn things slightly on their head, instead of pondering who, I've been pondering what, as in, what attributes do I want from a new manager?

Someone tactically astute who actually pays attention to the merits of the other team they are playing and plans a strategy accordingly, and likewise is able to react in game if things are not going as planned (I imagine when Arsene plays football manager he clicks 'play match' then goes off to do some zip repairs, and then returns shocked that he hasnt won 5-0)

Someone who isnt afraid to spend big to get a player that will clearly benefit the team / squad

Someone willing to stand up to the board, challenge the status quo in pursuit of success, question the direction of the club and have a strategy for bringing it along

Ability to attract 'top top players' and has the nouse to work successfully with whomever at the club to ensure transfers are conducted sensibly and penny pinching doesnt stop us getting our man

Someone detached from the current management regime who can take a step back and look at things with a fresh set of eyes - in other words, dont let Arsene play any part in the appointment

Someone who has the right sort of first and last name that will not disturb the iambic parameters of 'theres only one ...........'

So who fits the bill?

[remigardeshair]

Funny how things taint thinking, I cant bear Simeone for getting Beckham sent off V Argentina, total scum, that cynical nob as Beckham went off will never be forgiven, will find him hard to forgive, unless of course he wins us a trophy

Surely that demonstrates a single minded win at all costs approach which is just what we need. That said, if Simeone were to be appointed, his first meeting with the head of scouting network might be an interesting encounter.

[officepest]

Funny how things taint thinking, I cant bear Simeone for getting Beckham sent off V Argentina, total scum, that cynical nob as Beckham went off will never be forgiven, will find him hard to forgive, unless of course he wins us a trophy

Surely that demonstrates a single minded win at all costs approach which is just what we need. That said, if Simeone were to be appointed, his first meeting with the head of scouting network might be an interesting encounter.

He could properly knock him out this time...................

[clockender1]

rather than asking for specific names - who would you want more - a 3-5 year manager or a long termer like GG ?

i'd prefer a long termer rather than a flipper like ancelotti, mourinho, Van Gaal etc.

if i had to have just one choice and one choice only, it would be MVB i think. With Dennis, Bouldy and Paddy as assistants.

i don't think klopp is going to move until Moyes position is clear. Rodgers would be stupid to leave John Henry for SIlent stan.

its not just the manager we need mind, we need a head of opposition analysis, director of football, technical director, and reserves fitness and technical staff.

someone has to spring clean the club from top to bottom - sadly the only person aggressive enough to do that is going to be a flipper. so maybe we do go for ancelotti or Van Gaal to update and modernise the club (tragic to write that...) and leave a legacy in place for the likes of MVB, Remi Garde, Paddy to build on.