As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:
When is somebody going to stand up and say enough already ? FFS this shit has gone on long enough - I know that it was/is sad for the families involved but are they going to enforce this on us for the rest of our lives ?
Its 25 years to the day Augs, imho that's quite poignant.
If Liverpool want to pay tribute in their own way - whatever that is - then they should be given reasonable freedom to do so. However, to make other clubs involved in other games follow suit is completely unnecessary - especially when they're not even on the day of the anniversary (Arsenal/Wigan is kicking off at 17:07, a full three days ahead of the anniversary of something that has absolutely nothing to do with us).
Whatever happened to a moment's silence and some flowers? Why must entire fixture lists be changed? How is us having our semi-final seven minutes later going to be of any consolation to those who lost family and friends 25 years ago?
I do find it a bit amusing how much people moan about how Thatcher had this unjustified view of football fans as violent idiots when there are regular posts and even a lengthy thread on this forum dedicated to hooliganism.
Changing all the kick-off times seems a bit excessive to me but I can't honestly profess to being particularly bothered. I've got no problem with anything that Liverpool or the PL/FA have done to mark Hillsbrough, what's grated on me is when it's been plastered all over the news outlets being thrown at you from every angle for days/weeks on end because some dodgy journo or copper has been exposed and another part of the cover-up has been unravelled. Which is of course the fault of the cover-up and shit journalism.
northbank123 wrote:I do find it a bit amusing how much people moan about how Thatcher had this unjustified view of football fans as violent idiots when there are regular posts and even a lengthy thread on this forum dedicated to hooliganism.
I wasn't implying it was unjustified at all. I saw just saying that we were a target of her class war, same as the unions, students, clubbers, council tenants etc.
this is the woman who took the free bottle of milk away from 5 year olds we're talking about here - "to save money", when she was Minister of Education under Heath.
northbank123 wrote:I do find it a bit amusing how much people moan about how Thatcher had this unjustified view of football fans as violent idiots when there are regular posts and even a lengthy thread on this forum dedicated to hooliganism.
I wasn't implying it was unjustified at all. I saw just saying that we were a target of her class war, same as the unions, students, clubbers, council tenants etc.
this is the woman who took the free bottle of milk away from 5 year olds we're talking about here - "to save money", when she was Minister of Education under Heath.
It wasn't really aimed at you (although your post did bring it to mind), there have been plenty of posters moaning about it. I've got no interest in starting a political debate that - as the thread after she died on Cannonballs indicates - would hardly be invigorating, I was just making an observation.
augie wrote:
When is somebody going to stand up and say enough already ? FFS this shit has gone on long enough - I know that it was/is sad for the families involved but are they going to enforce this on us for the rest of our lives ?
Its 25 years to the day Augs, imho that's quite poignant.
maybe others felt the same way or not, but THAT night all I could think of was that could of been our support in Leppings Lane that day.
I think we can give them this one - we would have wanted football to remember our fans deaths 25 year anniversary wouldn't we ?.
and tbf, we all know it could have been avoided by the FA - they have never answered why Liverpool's support were given that end rather than the Kop, or why they let Semis be played there without a safety certificate since 1979.
in hindsight had we not been crap in the 1980's that could of been us there.
the FA have blood on their hands and they know it....
And if the thieving fcukers had of turned up at the ground on time, then no crush would have occurred outside and no gates would need to have been opened
I don't know if you get as much info about this on your side of the Irish sea Augie, but there is incontrovertible evidence that the Police have systematically covered up their criminal activities at Hillsborough.
That, and the FA's incompetence and probable Home Office collusion are much graver problems that the stupid behaviour of the Bin Dippers on the day.
It is another shameful episode in British modern history.
Mods: feel free to edit if you think I've overstepped the mark here.
Not this it's especially relevant buddy but I was actually living in your fair land at the time (just outside liverpool actually )
Anyway, at no stage have I dismissed the cops or goverments corruption because it is there for everyone to see however, whether the scousers like to admit it or not, the fact that they turned up at the turnstiles late and caused the crush outside which led to the old bill opening the gates to let them in. If they had of arrived at the turnstiles 30 minutes before kick off, would any of the troubles happened ? If the old bill had of refused to open the gates, there is a fair chance that some might have been crushed to death outside but clearly nowhere near as many as what eventually died and in hindsight they should have refused to open the gates and taken their chances.
Lest we forget this is also the same set of supporters who stormed the gates in Athens at their champs league final a few years ago and we have all seen the footage of the victims fans getting fans without tickets into Wembley for the cup final just a few weeks after hillsborough It is very convenient for their fans to sit back and blame the cops, the government and the sun newspaper but the reality is that they too (the scousers) should also take some responsibility for what happened that day.......god knows that there is enough blame to go around.
I was at highbury th e day of hillsborough,there was a guy standing beside me listening to a portable radio(no twitter in those days )i actually thought the liverpool fans were rioting and was having a laugh about it,till i realised how serious it was.Obviously very sad for the people who died and their families,but i have to admit its wearing a bit thin now.And as previous posters have posted earlier why are we not hearing of commerations every season about the 39 italians murdered at heysel or the people who lost their lives in the Bradford fire.
Clockender - no one said that the UK govt/police etc didn't share the blame for Hillsborough, what was commented on is the fact that the Mouser fans were in part also responsible for what happened and have never accepted that. And the sad sick thing is these fucking idiots still turn up en masse without tickets and still storm the gates at grounds. A work colleague of mine was a mouser ST holder for 20 years and was in Athens and what he saw (crowds of mousers without tickets storming the gates, mouser fans mugging their fellow mouser fans for tickets etc) put him off ever going to see them away again. He only goes to Anfield now.
I suppose what rankles alot with some people is the fact the Mousers present themselves as totally blameless for the tragic events at Hillsborough. They are not blameless, just as the police are not blameless.
The sad irony is that most of those crushed to death were people down the front that had arrived on time and with tickets.
Watched the second half of last nights match in a pub with a few scouse supporting mates and there was a few other victims fans there that I didnt know - they went from being totally 100% in control of a match to barely hanging on at the end. It was comical watching them almost shitting themselves in the last few minutes and if that useless john o'shea c*nt had of scored with the easy header, it would have been hilarious
Sturridge wasnt a happy man last night when subbed - tbh he played well last night and was way better than the cheating cannibal and my scouse supporting buddies were not happy with rodgers at all last night
They won't win it. They are defensively weak, Skertl and Agger in particular are prone to shiteness. I can see them dropping points against the scum and losing against both the chav$ and Citeh tbh.
swimmer1 wrote:Also I rather us come out of the top 4 and lose the FA Cup than the Victims winning the PL .
I guess I will never understand this logic - putting more energy into wanting another team not to win something than wanting your own team to win something, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
DB10GOONER wrote:They won't win it. They are defensively weak, Skertl and Agger in particular are prone to shiteness. I can see them dropping points against the scum and losing against both the chav$ and Citeh tbh.
Losing points to Spurs? Not a chance. They'll have a field day against them.
Hillsborough has been discussed many times on here so I won't go into that, but on the subject of every fan having the commemoration forced on them, I would suggest that if like me you didn't wish to participate, then stay in the concourse or more aptly go and have a shite until it's over.
FFS this shit has gone on long enough - I know that it was/is sad for the families involved but are they going to enforce this on us for the rest of our lives ?
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)i actually thought the liverpool fans were rioting and was having a laugh about it,till i realised how serious it was.Obviously very sad for the people who died and their families,but i have to admit its wearing a bit thin now.And as previous posters have posted earlier why are we not hearing of commerations every season about the 39 italians murdered at heysel or the people who lost their lives in the Bradford fire.
