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Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
So many morons. Geezer at 1.25 is about the only one with any idea.
Its got to the stage where I don't want to support the same club as these people. I always try and respect different opinions but there is a limit and its impossible to feel any unity with so many Arsenal fans these days.
That group of people at 1.07 are exactly the kind of people I don't want to be associated with. Saying ''look behind you'' and pointing at the Emirates and then claiming ''he built us that'' is the most deluded bollocks of all. Wenger is not fucking Jack Walker dipping into his own pockets.
Selling Highbury and taking out a bank loan built the stadium. Not Wenger!
There's several ways of looking at it though.Without the success of the years prior would we have been in a position to build the stadium in the first place?
Probably not but then how far back can we go with that? Without the success Graham had and the hard work he put in, would Wenger have been in a position to have the success he did? Without the work Don Howe put in with the youngsters in the 80s, would Graham have had the success he had? And so on ...
Wenger has played his part on and off the pitch, I'm not denying that. But so have many others. The stadium was a big project that involved a lot of people so I think giving so much of the credit to Wenger for it is ridiculous.
The other thing to consider is that we started looking at alternatives to Highbury in the late 90s after we'd been refused planning permission to expand the existing stadium, and we bought Ashburton Grove in 2000, so the idea that the stadium move was largely facilitated by him bringing success on the pitch isnt correct.
I'm sure he played a role, but others connected with the club were far more pivotal.
Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
So many morons. Geezer at 1.25 is about the only one with any idea.
Its got to the stage where I don't want to support the same club as these people. I always try and respect different opinions but there is a limit and its impossible to feel any unity with so many Arsenal fans these days.
That group of people at 1.07 are exactly the kind of people I don't want to be associated with. Saying ''look behind you'' and pointing at the Emirates and then claiming ''he built us that'' is the most deluded bollocks of all. Wenger is not fucking Jack Walker dipping into his own pockets.
Selling Highbury and taking out a bank loan built the stadium. Not Wenger!
There's several ways of looking at it though.Without the success of the years prior would we have been in a position to build the stadium in the first place?
Without the FANS there would be no Highbury, No Wenker No F*cking emirates...
Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
So many morons. Geezer at 1.25 is about the only one with any idea.
Its got to the stage where I don't want to support the same club as these people. I always try and respect different opinions but there is a limit and its impossible to feel any unity with so many Arsenal fans these days.
That group of people at 1.07 are exactly the kind of people I don't want to be associated with. Saying ''look behind you'' and pointing at the Emirates and then claiming ''he built us that'' is the most deluded bollocks of all. Wenger is not fucking Jack Walker dipping into his own pockets.
Selling Highbury and taking out a bank loan built the stadium. Not Wenger!
There's several ways of looking at it though.Without the success of the years prior would we have been in a position to build the stadium in the first place?
Probably not but then how far back can we go with that? Without the success Graham had and the hard work he put in, would Wenger have been in a position to have the success he did? Without the work Don Howe put in with the youngsters in the 80s, would Graham have had the success he had? And so on ...
Wenger has played his part on and off the pitch, I'm not denying that. But so have many others. The stadium was a big project that involved a lot of people so I think giving so much of the credit to Wenger for it is ridiculous.
I'm not disputing that at all. The whole thing with moving to a new stadium was due to the way in which the club had grown/is growing. To be able to fill it with (almost every game) 60K is a success to the way the club has progressed.
But had highbury been a 60,000 seater back then it would still have been full every week just like if we now expanded the emirates to an 80,000 we'd fill that too.THAT IS NOT SUCCESS,SUCCESS IS BASED ON LEAGUE TITLES AND CL TITLES
markyp wrote:But had highbury been a 60,000 seater back then it would still have been full every week just like if we now expanded the emirates to an 80,000 we'd fill that too.THAT IS NOT SUCCESS,SUCCESS IS BASED ON LEAGUE TITLES AND CL TITLES
I'm not disagreeing with on the field footballing success (or lack of) am I?
markyp wrote:But had highbury been a 60,000 seater back then it would still have been full every week just like if we now expanded the emirates to an 80,000 we'd fill that too.THAT IS NOT SUCCESS,SUCCESS IS BASED ON LEAGUE TITLES AND CL TITLES
I'm not disagreeing with on the field footballing success (or lack of) am I?
but who really cares about financial success??yes ,we don't want to go the same way as leeds,pompey etc etc but this Arsenal,we couldn't possibly ever go down the same route as them as youd like to think as any debt we incur is serviceable as being a massive club the banks would love the interest theyd earn on us.moving to the emirates isn't success in any way shape or form,if I move to a bigger home does that make me a success??Id say that its just part of a natural cycle.football is massive business these days,a huge team with a huge stadium will get it filled week in week out regardless of on field results.we could be mid table dross but youd still get 45,000 at every home game,does that make us more successful than at highbury cos only 38,000 could watch us??
Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
Absolutely, its people on the internet that want him gone lets face it.
People that assume he had £50million to spend in January and just decided not to spend it. obviously not, there's more to it than that.
which is why there was a massive wenger out banner at reading away last year. not to mention I've met tonnes of supporters this last two seasons at games agreeing wenger's time has gone
Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
Absolutely, its people on the internet that want him gone lets face it.
People that assume he had £50million to spend in January and just decided not to spend it. obviously not, there's more to it than that.
Even if he didn't have 50 million to spend, it doesn't explain why he spent the last day of the window trying to get any striker he could on loan, when he knew last summer that we needed one and then signed an injured midfielder, how do you defend that?
Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
Absolutely, its people on the internet that want him gone lets face it.
People that assume he had £50million to spend in January and just decided not to spend it. obviously not, there's more to it than that.
You must think that bloke is an absolute saint. Listening to the board coming out every transfer window for the last 5+ years saying the money is there, and he just lets them stitch it up without protesting? Not a fucking chance. He clearly gets riled at any suggestion of criticism from fans, players, journalists or other managers, you think he's selfless enough to let his reputation get bashed when it's somebody else's fault? He has dug himself into a trench with his constant rhetoric about financial doping etc and he won't/can't now turn round and change his ways.
I've said before, I think part of the problem is he thinks he's an economist. He ain't. A manager having a rough idea of the club's financial position is helpful in allowing him to make decisions, but I do not want a manager anywhere near the fucking books. He is constantly harping on about how the opinions on management of anyone without the requisite expertise and experience are worthless, but does he leave running the financial side of things to the supposed experts with experience? Does he fuck. I remember his smug prediction about 5 years ago that 'football could not exist in a bubble' and that these wealthy clubs would implode. He essentially based his transfer policy around that idea and guess what, he got it catastrophically wrong and it has been at the forefront of our failure to compete.
And of course, these financial restrictions haven't stopped him from grossly overpaying his guinea pigs and although he refuses to pay the market value for good players he happily pays himself what he views at market value. Which is a gross overestimation.
Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
Absolutely, its people on the internet that want him gone lets face it.
People that assume he had £50million to spend in January and just decided not to spend it. obviously not, there's more to it than that.
Even if he didn't have 50 million to spend, it doesn't explain why he spent the last day of the window trying to get any striker he could on loan, when he knew last summer that we needed one and then signed an injured midfielder, how do you defend that?
Exactly. Ozil is a class player and I think he'll come good. But ignoring our desperate need for a striker and then spending over £40m on the position that we were already strongest in? Give him a cow to sell and you can bet he'll come back with 'magic beans'.
If Wonga is given 100m to spend this summer, he will do exactly what he said he would do a few years ago, if someone gave him 100m to spend.......GIVE IT BACK!
Because when you spend money, you have to take responsibility. The greedy egomaniac will not even take responsibility for his morning shit! When he is spending very little or nothing or buying shit French/African players for peanuts from ligue 2 teams, everyone is already thinking the players aren't very good so it's no surprise when they are shit and there's little said other than....well he didn't cost much.....!
There isn't a hope in hell of signing any decent players this summer because Wonga does NOT do things any way other than his way. After years of moaning about money in football he isn't going to go out and spend 100m.
He'll buy 2 or 3 mediocre players and we'll lose Sagna, possibly Vermaelen and one other, the net spend will be about 10-15m and we'll be exactly the same next season - not good enough!!
Going by this I would say that 60% of the home fans are still in favour of the Wenger cult.
Absolutely, its people on the internet that want him gone lets face it.
People that assume he had £50million to spend in January and just decided not to spend it. obviously not, there's more to it than that.
Christ, what a patronising statement. Who exactly thought he had £50 million and "just decided not to spend it"?
The point is, Wenger and his sheep followers have rolled out the lack of money excuse for years, whilst Wenger has been rewarding shit and average players with huge wages, bigger pay rises and improved contracts, often for years after every fucker and his cousin could see they weren't good enough (Almunia, Denilson, Song, Vela, Bendtner, Djourou, etc etc). Now if he'd hung onto those players on low wages fair enough, but no, he paid them massive wages. There has always been some money there, the problem is Wenger has mis-spent it badly and continued to mis-spend it because his myopic view of how football should be and his ego prevented him from admitting he got it wrong and then trying to correct his mistakes.
Also, does he really need £7million (now a fucking year to do his job? Could he not do it on £1million or £2million a year (still a fucking ridiculous wage tbh) and use the other £5million or £6million to bring in better players? The Board should be fucking executed for paying him money like that whilst running the party line of "We can't afford to compete for new signings".
obviously not, there's more to it than that.
a fucking year to do his job? Could he not do it on £1million or £2million a year (still a fucking ridiculous wage tbh) and use the other £5million or £6million to bring in better players? The Board should be fucking executed for paying him money like that whilst running the party line of "We can't afford to compete for new signings". 
