THE WENGER THREAD

[SteveO 35]

Enough of that.....are you coming to the BBQ or not ?

[LDB]

turricaned. I suggest you read through this thread. You will find that every one of your points absolving Wenger of anything at all to do with Arsenals failure to win anything for almost a decade has been discussed and shown up to lack any foundation or reasonable argument and be just what they are.........
A defence of Wenger because of a fear of change or the unknown and a degree of sentimentality.

To be fair mate just because the same few points get repeated ad nauseam around here does not necessarily make them right

[hartygooner]

That's the problem with entrenched opinions - both sides end up assuming the other only thinks one way, and that's a depressing state of affairs.

I rarely log on to post on here but I had to because some of the stuff you are writing is complete BS, strawman arguments.

I am pretty sure you have in fact done exactly what you claim the others to have done. You have already placed them neatly into the basket of thinking that wenger is the worst manager in world football.

Peoples opinions here are based off of the last 10 years of glorious failure not just because we came 4th in a 2 horse race. You keep siting injurys as the reason for our heavy defeats? So what you are saying is that our starting 11's and benches at City, Chelsea and Liverpool are worse than, for example, Palace? Injury's do not mean the team go there to roll over and get humbled by the ridiculous scorelines we have seen this season. Wenger should have seen the problem of not having the midfield creativity which even a normal fan such as yourself keep harping on about and set up defensively to hit the opponent on the break, I dunno maybe like Chelsea at Anfield with many first 11 players missing? You could see what the problem was with our midfield without working 30 years in football I assume? So why couldnt wenger and adjust the tactics accordingly?

Theres no excuse for opening up our defense like he did at those heavy defeats this year, even the bottom half teams havent been raped like us consistently. Like I said perhaps you think that tiny old palace have a better first 11 than the 11 we saw get bent over by the big boys this season, or maybe its because Pulis knew his teams limitations and played the percentage game on the break hoping for a point and took all 3.

[turricaned]

There is little to no chance that our squad, competing in four trophies, will have no injuries or suspensions during a season
...
It is up to Wenger to make the squad capable of handling injuries and suspensions...

We're not talking about the odd injury and suspension though, are we? We're talking about *five* of our key players all out at once, and we still managed to salvage a top-four finish. I said earlier, take any two of Sturridge, Suarez, Henderson or Gerrard out of the LFC starting XI for a couple of months and they'd have been buggered. Same with Chelsea and Hazard, Eto'o and Lampard. I say again, we lost *five*.

and winning trophies.

Which (please gawd) he may well do (and Mourinho likely won't)

We also have ongoing problems with the recuperation of players from injury.
Again, Wenger's responsibility.

I didn't realise he was head of medical too - no wonder he gets paid so well!

But seriously - there's a problem there, and I seem to recall an announcement that the medical situation would be reviewed.

Neither do I consider arguments about Chelsea or Man Utd having easier draws than us in Europe to allow for their success.
They won it because they were better than us!

I don't recall either of those clubs knocking us out in the years they won it. In fact I seem to recall Chelsea being bloody fortunate to be able to hold Bayern to penalties.

Since the players of ours who were trained in such a way have left we have not won a thing.
Funny that!

I'm pretty sure Wenger was manager during the "Invincibles" phase.

PS. As you said yourself in the article:

I have a theory why Wenger does not give players a pre-match dossier. A theory is all it is, I have never met Arsene Wenger and asked him.

So both our theories are just that, are they not?

[Leyton Gooner]

It's been touched on earlier but this holiday to Brazil he's having in June pisses me off too. He either works for his full time employers preparing for the new season ( I know) or he fucks off and gets a permanent job in the media. My employer wouldn't let me sod off for a month to do another job part time while still being paid by them.

[augie]

Will ye fcukers stop responding to the wum ?

[armchair]

turricaned. I suggest you read through this thread. You will find that every one of your points absolving Wenger of anything at all to do with Arsenals failure to win anything for almost a decade has been discussed and shown up to lack any foundation or reasonable argument and be just what they are.........
A defence of Wenger because of a fear of change or the unknown and a degree of sentimentality.

To be fair mate just because the same few points get repeated ad nauseam around here does not necessarily make them right

I didnt say they were repeated ad nauseum. I said they have been discussed and shown up to lack reasonable argument or foundation. You may or may not agree. Thats up to you, this week. Next week however you may have a different view

[turricaned]

Will ye fcukers stop responding to the wum ?

I have a name...

But I'm not, as you so eloquently state, a "wum", or an "AKB" - I'm honestly interested in discussion.

It's been touched on earlier but this holiday to Brazil he's having in June pisses me off too.

A Premier League manager going on holiday to Brazil? Sounds like a busman's holiday if you ask me...

[LDB]

turricaned. I suggest you read through this thread. You will find that every one of your points absolving Wenger of anything at all to do with Arsenals failure to win anything for almost a decade has been discussed and shown up to lack any foundation or reasonable argument and be just what they are.........
A defence of Wenger because of a fear of change or the unknown and a degree of sentimentality.

To be fair mate just because the same few points get repeated ad nauseam around here does not necessarily make them right

I didnt say they were repeated ad nauseum. I said they have been discussed and shown up to lack reasonable argument or foundation. You may or may not agree. Thats up to you, this week. Next week however you may have a different view

I agree with parts of it, other parts I think are exaggerated for effect. I call things as and when I see them whereas I guess you plod along at the same steady pace, if I was a rival manager I'd say "Well, you know what you're going to get from armchair weekinweekout". You're the Stoke of this forum

[clockender1]

i'm gutted we mised out on Helena Costa - a women who knows Ligue 2, its the dream successor for wenger...

though she probably could do a better job.

[armchair]

turricaned. I suggest you read through this thread. You will find that every one of your points absolving Wenger of anything at all to do with Arsenals failure to win anything for almost a decade has been discussed and shown up to lack any foundation or reasonable argument and be just what they are.........
A defence of Wenger because of a fear of change or the unknown and a degree of sentimentality.

To be fair mate just because the same few points get repeated ad nauseam around here does not necessarily make them right

I didnt say they were repeated ad nauseum. I said they have been discussed and shown up to lack reasonable argument or foundation. You may or may not agree. Thats up to you, this week. Next week however you may have a different view

I agree with parts of it, other parts I think are exaggerated for effect. I call things as and when I see them whereas I guess you plod along at the same steady pace, if I was a rival manager I'd say "Well, you know what you're going to get from armchair weekinweekout". You're the Stoke of this forum

If Im Stoke then you might be the boing, boing Baggies. Up and down. Up and down. No consistency.
If I was a rival manager I'd say "Wel,l I havent a fuckin clue what you're gonna get from LDB from one week to the next cause he #flipflops so much. The only thing I am certain of is that he likes to pull me up on things quite regularly"

[QuartzGooner]

There is little to no chance that our squad, competing in four trophies, will have no injuries or suspensions during a season
...
It is up to Wenger to make the squad capable of handling injuries and suspensions...

We're not talking about the odd injury and suspension though, are we? We're talking about *five* of our key players all out at once, and we still managed to salvage a top-four finish. I said earlier, take any two of Sturridge, Suarez, Henderson or Gerrard out of the LFC starting XI for a couple of months and they'd have been buggered. Same with Chelsea and Hazard, Eto'o and Lampard. I say again, we lost *five*.

Any manager worth their salt will allow for four or five key players being out at once.

We also have ongoing problems with the recuperation of players from injury.
Again, Wenger's responsibility.

I didn't realise he was head of medical too - no wonder he gets paid so well!

But seriously - there's a problem there, and I seem to recall an announcement that the medical situation would be reviewed.

He is head of medical because he is the head man of the squad.
He can have the best medical team in the world, but he overplays players into injury, over and again.
Cesc, Van Persie, Wilshere, Ramsey - all have looked tired to the casual observer but Wenger has persisted in playing them into the red zone.

Neither do I consider arguments about Chelsea or Man Utd having easier draws than us in Europe to allow for their success.
They won it because they were better than us!

I don't recall either of those clubs knocking us out in the years they won it. In fact I seem to recall Chelsea being bloody fortunate to be able to hold Bayern to penalties.

What has any of that got to do with my point?
They won it, we didn't!

Since the players of ours who were trained in such a way have left we have not won a thing.
Funny that!

I'm pretty sure Wenger was manager during the "Invincibles" phase.

10 years ago.
Based on a defence that knew what to do through it's accumulated experience of training and playing with George Graham's defence.

I have a theory why Wenger does not give players a pre-match dossier. A theory is all it is, I have never met Arsene Wenger and asked him.

So both our theories are just that, are they not?

Your's is not.
Because no one has ever won anything playing the way you suggest.
On the contrary, we lost heavily to our rival challengers for the title.

In our great years under Wenger 2002 - 2004, we had improvisation up front, but we had solid defence and well organised central midfield because the players took control of thinks in spite of what their coaching was.

We have not had that for ages.


The Brazil trip I have no problem with.
He will have a laptop and a phone, he can contact the club officials in Europe and round the world.
He will be able to cast an eye over the games, and meet families and agents of players who are in the World Cup.

[OneBardGooner]

i'm gutted we mised out on Helena Costa - a women who knows Ligue 2, its the dream successor for wenger...

though she probably could do a better job.

And she's well fit!

[augie]

Is that really her ??? Jesus H Christ she is well fit

Could never be manager of AFC though - giroud would have her nailed to the wall before the press conference ended

[hartygooner]

I take it turricaned didnt have a response to why wenger didnt tactically set up against the big boys? I would love to know his/her response