THE WENGER THREAD

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SteveO 35 wrote:
clockender1 wrote:
turricaned wrote:You try making a metaphor in French and see how well it translates... ;)
after living in France for 18 years and having been fluent before i got there, i think it would be pretty easy.

Un Arsène Wenger, il ya un seul Arsène Wenger

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clockender1 wrote:
SteveO 35 wrote:
clockender1 wrote:
turricaned wrote:You try making a metaphor in French and see how well it translates... ;)
after living in France for 18 years and having been fluent before i got there, i think it would be pretty easy.

Un Arsène Wenger, il ya un seul Arsène Wenger

:barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

stevo speaka da spanish, who knew..

tout le monde Rodney, tout le monde....
Do they do Bullshit Bingo in France? Here's a few

prix artificiels
super qualité
l'ensemble, je crois que
il est toujours calme au cours de la Coupe du Monde

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Theoperator wrote:Wonder when you would consider that his time has come though? There are many managers who would in all likelihood be better or at worst as good? Klopp, Anchelotti, Van Boer Simeone possibly.
I can't see any of Klopp, Ancelotti or Simeone being enticed out of their current employment any time soon given the run of form they're having (although I'm pretty sure we beat Dortmund, did we not?). De Boer has apparently been linked with the Spuds, but Ajax's form under him doesn't look that impressive.

As to when the right time would be? I don't know. I don't think he'll stay any longer than two years from now in any case, but given the steady overall improvement this season (despite the slip-ups) and the fact that the viaable alternatives aren't looking to move any time soon, I'm inclined to let him have at least one year, maybe both. Who knows, if we do manage to get the league title next year, maybe he'll decide to call it quits while on top?

The thing is, I'm an Arsenal supporter because I've got three generations of Gooners behind me. Results are nice, silverware is better - but I love the club because I was brought up to love the club, and whatever else you may think of the guy, AW does love the club. I grew up in the 'burbs, but moved to North London for Uni and stayed there afterwards - being able to walk home from my poky offices in Angel and Old Street past Highbury every day when the weather was good was a bit of a dream come true for me. That move coincided with the time it became clear that Highbury's capacity since the all-seater laws came in just wasn't going to be enough for the club to sustain itself in the top flight - and I was there for all the crap that went on as they tried to find a solution, which ended up being Ashburton Grove (before it was the Emirates).

Getting that sorted coincided more-or-less with the year that was The Invincibles, and I have to give AW kudos for agreeing to stay, given that from that point onwards he was no longer going to be able to afford top-flight transfer fees or keep up with the wages that Abramovich (and those that followed) would be offering. I couldn't see the likes of Fergie, Mourinho - or even Spiv Harry - putting up with that kind of constraint. Not only did Wenger stay, but he gave us one of the best seasons the club has ever had - probably well aware that he'd be unlikely to be able to do it again for several years, and that, as manager, it'd be him in the firing line.

This is why I get annoyed with the salary remarks - yeah, he's insanely well-paid (as are all PL managers), but if it was about the money, he could quite easily have walked in 2004 for a much better deal and not had to put up with the hassle. Perhaps some here wish he had in retrospect, but I have trouble imagining a significant queue of people forming for a PL management post where you are contractually bound to only spend a certain amount on transfers and wages, and that amount is not sufficient to entice the best players - not to mention that a top-four finish will be considered the minimum required performance by both the supporters and the club.

On that note, bitching about finishing 4th consistently is all well and good - but why don't you go ask the Spuds about the importance of CL qualification, given that Gareth Bale, who to them was as important as Thierry, Cesc and RVP combined were to us, specifically gave *being able to play Champions League football* as his reason for moving to Real. Not "win the CL", but just to be able to *play* in it.

So yeah, call me what you want, but I'm not going to apologise for the fact that football and Arsenal in particular are about more to me than the results and silverware. Mourinho may have kept his undefeated record against AW, but the miserable prick is finishing the season empty-handed and with a serious squad issue on his hands in the coming season or two - and no guarantee Uncle Roman will hand him a blank chequebook again any time soon. I remember a (lifelong) Chelsea-supporting mate of mine telling me about the first time he heard "Where were you when we were shit?" being sung. In my lifetime, we have never been shit - but we've been in a lot worse predicaments than we were a couple of years ago, let alone now. Lest we forget, George Graham managed us to the lofty heights of *12th* in the inaugural year of the PL.

*lights cigarette, dons blindfold...*

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I've just had a fantastic idea! And Quartz - this is right up your street....

Lets have a Wenger reminiscing thread, where we can all post about how very wonderful things were like, what? A decade ago. Or more even. Yes. Yonks ago!
Wow! That'd be the ticket. Then we wouldn't have to clog up the Wenger views or an against thread with history about Wengers achievements of long, long ago. We could all get starry eyed and emotional on that thread.

I think I'm onto something here. Quartz....? Make it so.......

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armchair wrote:I've just had a fantastic idea! And Quartz - this is right up your street....

Lets have a Wenger reminiscing thread, where we can all post about how very wonderful things were like, what? A decade ago. Or more even. Yes. Yonks ago!
Wow! That'd be the ticket. Then we wouldn't have to clog up the Wenger views or an against thread with history about Wengers achievements of long, long ago. We could all get starry eyed and emotional on that thread.

I think I'm onto something here. Quartz....? Make it so.......
Like a Life on Mars in reverse !

Hi my name's SteveO. I had an accident and when I woke up it was 2014, Arsene had a lobotomy and we'd won fuck all for 9 years. I've desperately got to get back to the Invincibles era

SteveO.....SteveO.....can you hear me SteveO.......you've had an accident

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Offside wrote:Have you read this little nugget?
"We have been 128 days top of the league, so we won the stamina league, but we failed in some big games away from home.


"The stamina league"? :shock: He's now started inventing his own competitions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... eague.html
You know, I think Wenger actually has a point about this. We were top far longer than anyone else and surely that should be recognised?

Since Arsenal were knocked off the top, the lead has changed hands many times. It really is nothing more than just good fortune for Man City that their turn to go top came just as the season is about to end ... conveniently when the other teams have run out of games to get back above them :roll: . Seriously, how fcuking flukey is that?! It's not really something to admire is it?

If the season had ended at any point during our lengthy 128 day period at the top it would be us hailed as Champions. For myself and for Arsene, morally we are the real champions, although typically, the great man's integrity and class means he wont actually come out and say that.

This antiquated system where all you have to do is make sure you are top at the end of the season needs to be addressed asap though because it is not a true reflection on who was the best team.

And I'm sure I am not the only one here who is quite embarrassed the way Michael Thomas' goal in 1989 saw us go top with seconds of the season remaining. To be honest, its almost cheating to win a league that runs for 9 months in that manner :oops:

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Clash wrote:
Offside wrote:Have you read this little nugget?
"We have been 128 days top of the league, so we won the stamina league, but we failed in some big games away from home.


"The stamina league"? :shock: He's now started inventing his own competitions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... eague.html
You know, I think Wenger actually has a point about this. We were top far longer than anyone else and surely that should be recognised?

Since Arsenal were knocked off the top, the lead has changed hands many times. It really is nothing more than just good fortune for Man City that their turn to go top came just as the season is about to end ... conveniently when the other teams have run out of games to get back above them :roll: . Seriously, how fcuking flukey is that?! It's not really something to admire is it?

If the season had ended at any point during our lengthy 128 day period at the top it would be us hailed as Champions. For myself and for Arsene, morally we are the real champions, although typically, the great man's integrity and class means he wont actually come out and say that.

This antiquated system where all you have to do is make sure you are top at the end of the season needs to be addressed asap though because it is not a true reflection on who was the best team.

And I'm sure I am not the only one here who is quite embarrassed the way Michael Thomas' goal in 1989 saw us go top with seconds of the season remaining. To be honest, its almost cheating to win a league that runs for 9 months in that manner :oops:
I remember how fucking gutted I was when we pulled back a 13 point deficit to overhaul ManUre. As we paraded the Premiership trophy it didn't seem right that we weren't the true Calendar Year Champions

Thank fuck we've reversed that horrible habit of old

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SteveO 35 wrote:
armchair wrote:I've just had a fantastic idea! And Quartz - this is right up your street....

Lets have a Wenger reminiscing thread, where we can all post about how very wonderful things were like, what? A decade ago. Or more even. Yes. Yonks ago!
Wow! That'd be the ticket. Then we wouldn't have to clog up the Wenger views or an against thread with history about Wengers achievements of long, long ago. We could all get starry eyed and emotional on that thread.

I think I'm onto something here. Quartz....? Make it so.......
Like a Life on Mars in reverse !

Hi my name's SteveO. I had an accident and when I woke up it was 2014, Arsene had a lobotomy and we'd won fuck all for 9 years. I've desperately got to get back to the Invincibles era

SteveO.....SteveO.....can you hear me SteveO.......you've had an accident
Or Back to the Future. We could be like Marty McFly, furiously trying to get back to 2006 when things were better but starting to turn. Then we could repair the damage caused by Wenger before it actually happened. We could change the course of Arsenal history......"Arsenal - the barren years 2005 - ?...."

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According to the Sun, Wenger has been offered the Monaco job.

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He wont take it, not with his stance on FFP.

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gp543 wrote:According to the Sun, Wenger has been offered the Monaco job.
Pigs are more likely to fly than wenger going to Monaco

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They've offered to make him the highest paid manager in football!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... o-job.html

Come on Wenger, take the job!

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1989 wrote:They've offered to make him the highest paid manager in football!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... o-job.html

Come on Wenger, take the job!

Would you give up a job with an £8.5m contract that comes with no pressure or expectation, and opt for a more lucrative job but where you actually have targets and trophies that you are expected to achieve ? :roll:
He is not on a pittance anyway so the £££ wouldn't be a big factor imo

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"What would you do if a wealthy owner gave you £100m"

"Give it back to him"

Not a prayer of There's Only One taking the Monaco job

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armchair wrote:I've just had a fantastic idea! And Quartz - this is right up your street....

Lets have a Wenger reminiscing thread, where we can all post about how very wonderful things were like, what? A decade ago.

I think I'm onto something here. Quartz....? Make it so.......
Go on then, start the thread.

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