As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
augie wrote:Wenker was the one that proclaimed (on more than one occasion) that he believed that cesc would rejoin us someday so now, having been given the chance to sign him again, wouldn't he be the hypocrite if he turned cesc down ?
Some of the opinions on here defy belief........we don't want you cesc but you are not allowed to sign for anyone else either Ridiculous thought process
Wouldn't be hard to block a move to an English team. Excuse me if I would rather our club fuck up his move down English team.
If you want to see or don't care that Cesc may very well turn out for Chelsea or another English club because we've decided to pass on him that's your problem. He'd be at fault for going against his word as well as Wenger is for passing on him.
1989 wrote:
Besides, we're not a fucking shelter for Cesc, where when we're not good enough for him and he sees another bloke flush with cash and drives a ferrari, he fucks off. And when he's not good enough for his new bloke and gets dumped, he comes running back to us.
Cesc left us after 8 years the same time as Henry played for us to join his boyhood club.He took a WAGE CUT to join them
I wish we were a shelter for world class players like Cesc who is better than anyone we have at the moment
TheCook wrote:If Cesc signs for Chelsea, I will probably just shoot myself in the face
Its Wenger you should be shooting.Only another 3 years
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Arsenal Till I Die wrote:When Cesc pulls on a Chelsea shirt next year it will show the world who Cesc Fabregas really is and how he really feels about Arsenal.
Yes how dare he sign for what appears to be the only club that wants him
No way is Chelsea the only club who wants him. He can go anywhere.
“If I ever wear a Chelsea shirt, you have the permission to kill me." - Cesc.
Arsenal legend my arse
*if he signs for us I will openlynadmit I jumped the gun but I don't see that happening.
Don't just making a sweeping statement...........tell us who fcuking wants him cos as far as the rest of us can see, only the chavs want and can afford him If this was a straight battle for his signature and cesc picked them over us then I would agree with your feelings towards cesc, but this isn't a straight battle - we have a clause in his transfer contract that gives us first refusal at a set fee, so if king dickhead decides to let him go play for a rival team, what is cesc to do ?? I would hate to see him play for one of our domestic rivals but if we reject him then as far as I'm concerned he can sign for any club he chooses (and that includes the chavs and the scum from the swamp)
Wenger is at fault if he lets him go to a rival.
First refusal could give us the option to string Barca along ''We'll take him back, jut not this window and you can't sell him to anyone else.'' Not a breach of contract or condition just acknowledging they want to ell and stating we will buy. Enough law student speak , I don't like Fabregas (goes without saying really) but I would rather see him in an Arsenal shirt than any other however, anyone who claims undying love for the Arsenal, makes comment such as the one I highlighted above and other such statements and then goes against all that to sign for one of your ''beloved'' teams biggest rivals? How is that acceptable? Because we don't want him back he' now throwing his toys out of his pram because his dream move, which he worked so hard to make happen, didn't work out at all and now he's been dumped out on his arse by the club he shafted?
If he signs for Chelsea he's a classless hypocritical prick no better than the other we slag off.
Shit law student speak maybe
Do you really think they've drafted an open-ended vague clause that means we can prevent them from selling him for 6 months on the weak representation that we might buy him in the next window? This clause is potentially worth millions and millions, I think they'll have thought about it a little more than that during the protracted transfer saga.
If it is a first refusal clause, once Barcelona have agreed a deal with somebody else they will first have to offer Fabregas to us on the same terms. We will then have a window - probably a week, not more than a fortnight - in which to match that offer and agree a deal with Fabregas. If we can't, they're free to sell him on those terms to the other club. Barcelona are not going to have agreed to a clause that effectively prevents them from selling him even if we're not buying him.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:Wenger is at fault if he lets him go to a rival.
First refusal could give us the option to string Barca along ''We'll take him back, jut not this window and you can't sell him to anyone else.'' Not a breach of contract or condition just acknowledging they want to ell and stating we will buy. Enough law student speak , I don't like Fabregas (goes without saying really) but I would rather see him in an Arsenal shirt than any other however, anyone who claims undying love for the Arsenal, makes comment such as the one I highlighted above and other such statements and then goes against all that to sign for one of your ''beloved'' teams biggest rivals? How is that acceptable? Because we don't want him back he' now throwing his toys out of his pram because his dream move, which he worked so hard to make happen, didn't work out at all and now he's been dumped out on his arse by the club he shafted?
If he signs for Chelsea he's a classless hypocritical prick no better than the other we slag off.
Shit law student speak maybe
Do you really think they've drafted an open-ended vague clause that means we can prevent them from selling him for 6 months on the weak representation that we might buy him in the next window? This clause is potentially worth millions and millions, I think they'll have thought about it a little more than that during the protracted transfer saga.
If it is a first refusal clause, once Barcelona have agreed a deal with somebody else they will first have to offer Fabregas to us on the same terms. We will then have a window - probably a week, not more than a fortnight - in which to match that offer and agree a deal with Fabregas. If we can't, they're free to sell him on those terms to the other club. Barcelona are not going to have agreed to a clause that effectively prevents them from selling him even if we're not buying him.
The clause in his contract is open to interpretation to a POINT.
That does not exclude the possibility that Arsenal can't block a move. Arsenal have first refusal and until they say "no'" then that refusal is legally binding. It does depend on what the clause says and unless anyone can provide that document this is all academic but until Arsenal say NO then its in Arsenal's hands.
And that is what arsenal have done, they have said no.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:Wenger is at fault if he lets him go to a rival.
First refusal could give us the option to string Barca along ''We'll take him back, jut not this window and you can't sell him to anyone else.'' Not a breach of contract or condition just acknowledging they want to ell and stating we will buy. Enough law student speak , I don't like Fabregas (goes without saying really) but I would rather see him in an Arsenal shirt than any other however, anyone who claims undying love for the Arsenal, makes comment such as the one I highlighted above and other such statements and then goes against all that to sign for one of your ''beloved'' teams biggest rivals? How is that acceptable? Because we don't want him back he' now throwing his toys out of his pram because his dream move, which he worked so hard to make happen, didn't work out at all and now he's been dumped out on his arse by the club he shafted?
If he signs for Chelsea he's a classless hypocritical prick no better than the other we slag off.
Shit law student speak maybe
Do you really think they've drafted an open-ended vague clause that means we can prevent them from selling him for 6 months on the weak representation that we might buy him in the next window? This clause is potentially worth millions and millions, I think they'll have thought about it a little more than that during the protracted transfer saga.
If it is a first refusal clause, once Barcelona have agreed a deal with somebody else they will first have to offer Fabregas to us on the same terms. We will then have a window - probably a week, not more than a fortnight - in which to match that offer and agree a deal with Fabregas. If we can't, they're free to sell him on those terms to the other club. Barcelona are not going to have agreed to a clause that effectively prevents them from selling him even if we're not buying him.
The clause in his contract is open to interpretation to a POINT.
That does not exclude the possibility that Arsenal can't block a move. Arsenal have first refusal and until they say "no'" then that refusal is legally binding. It does depend on what the clause says and unless anyone can provide that document this is all academic but until Arsenal say NO then its in Arsenal's hands.
And that is what arsenal have done, they have said no.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:Wenger is at fault if he lets him go to a rival.
First refusal could give us the option to string Barca along ''We'll take him back, jut not this window and you can't sell him to anyone else.'' Not a breach of contract or condition just acknowledging they want to ell and stating we will buy. Enough law student speak , I don't like Fabregas (goes without saying really) but I would rather see him in an Arsenal shirt than any other however, anyone who claims undying love for the Arsenal, makes comment such as the one I highlighted above and other such statements and then goes against all that to sign for one of your ''beloved'' teams biggest rivals? How is that acceptable? Because we don't want him back he' now throwing his toys out of his pram because his dream move, which he worked so hard to make happen, didn't work out at all and now he's been dumped out on his arse by the club he shafted?
If he signs for Chelsea he's a classless hypocritical prick no better than the other we slag off.
Shit law student speak maybe
Do you really think they've drafted an open-ended vague clause that means we can prevent them from selling him for 6 months on the weak representation that we might buy him in the next window? This clause is potentially worth millions and millions, I think they'll have thought about it a little more than that during the protracted transfer saga.
If it is a first refusal clause, once Barcelona have agreed a deal with somebody else they will first have to offer Fabregas to us on the same terms. We will then have a window - probably a week, not more than a fortnight - in which to match that offer and agree a deal with Fabregas. If we can't, they're free to sell him on those terms to the other club. Barcelona are not going to have agreed to a clause that effectively prevents them from selling him even if we're not buying him.
The clause in his contract is open to interpretation to a POINT.
That does not exclude the possibility that Arsenal can't block a move. Arsenal have first refusal and until they say "no'" then that refusal is legally binding. It does depend on what the clause says and unless anyone can provide that document this is all academic but until Arsenal say NO then its in Arsenal's hands.
And that is what arsenal have done, they have said no.
Do you actually believe that there's a possibility that Barcelona can inform us of their intention to sell him to Chelsea (for example) tomorrow and we say "hmmm, we might want to sign him in the future" and they won't be able to sell him til the next window? It's basic commercial common sense that there will be a limited time period after they inform us of their intention to sell in which we have priority to exercise our option - this clause will have probably been negotiated over for days, think somebody might have thought about that.
It's naive in the extreme to thing we can string them along til the next transfer window. Despite being referred to as 'first refusal' the point of this type of clause is giving priority in buying the player back, not to allow the club to veto all transfers of the other players.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:Wenger is at fault if he lets him go to a rival.
First refusal could give us the option to string Barca along ''We'll take him back, jut not this window and you can't sell him to anyone else.'' Not a breach of contract or condition just acknowledging they want to ell and stating we will buy. Enough law student speak , I don't like Fabregas (goes without saying really) but I would rather see him in an Arsenal shirt than any other however, anyone who claims undying love for the Arsenal, makes comment such as the one I highlighted above and other such statements and then goes against all that to sign for one of your ''beloved'' teams biggest rivals? How is that acceptable? Because we don't want him back he' now throwing his toys out of his pram because his dream move, which he worked so hard to make happen, didn't work out at all and now he's been dumped out on his arse by the club he shafted?
If he signs for Chelsea he's a classless hypocritical prick no better than the other we slag off.
Shit law student speak maybe
Do you really think they've drafted an open-ended vague clause that means we can prevent them from selling him for 6 months on the weak representation that we might buy him in the next window? This clause is potentially worth millions and millions, I think they'll have thought about it a little more than that during the protracted transfer saga.
If it is a first refusal clause, once Barcelona have agreed a deal with somebody else they will first have to offer Fabregas to us on the same terms. We will then have a window - probably a week, not more than a fortnight - in which to match that offer and agree a deal with Fabregas. If we can't, they're free to sell him on those terms to the other club. Barcelona are not going to have agreed to a clause that effectively prevents them from selling him even if we're not buying him.
The clause in his contract is open to interpretation to a POINT.
That does not exclude the possibility that Arsenal can't block a move. Arsenal have first refusal and until they say "no'" then that refusal is legally binding. It does depend on what the clause says and unless anyone can provide that document this is all academic but until Arsenal say NO then its in Arsenal's hands.
And that is what arsenal have done, they have said no.
Do you actually believe that there's a possibility that Barcelona can inform us of their intention to sell him to Chelsea (for example) tomorrow and we say "hmmm, we might want to sign him in the future" and they won't be able to sell him til the next window? It's basic commercial common sense that there will be a limited time period after they inform us of their intention to sell in which we have priority to exercise our option - this clause will have probably been negotiated over for days, think somebody might have thought about that.
It's naive in the extreme to thing we can string them along til the next transfer window. Despite being referred to as 'first refusal' the point of this type of clause is giving priority in buying the player back, not to allow the club to veto all transfers of the other players.[/quote]
Agree. We better not to try to play any games with this. There is definitely time limit for our response to Barca on what we will do.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:Wenger is at fault if he lets him go to a rival.
First refusal could give us the option to string Barca along ''We'll take him back, jut not this window and you can't sell him to anyone else.'' Not a breach of contract or condition just acknowledging they want to ell and stating we will buy. Enough law student speak , I don't like Fabregas (goes without saying really) but I would rather see him in an Arsenal shirt than any other however, anyone who claims undying love for the Arsenal, makes comment such as the one I highlighted above and other such statements and then goes against all that to sign for one of your ''beloved'' teams biggest rivals? How is that acceptable? Because we don't want him back he' now throwing his toys out of his pram because his dream move, which he worked so hard to make happen, didn't work out at all and now he's been dumped out on his arse by the club he shafted?
If he signs for Chelsea he's a classless hypocritical prick no better than the other we slag off.
Shit law student speak maybe
Do you really think they've drafted an open-ended vague clause that means we can prevent them from selling him for 6 months on the weak representation that we might buy him in the next window? This clause is potentially worth millions and millions, I think they'll have thought about it a little more than that during the protracted transfer saga.
If it is a first refusal clause, once Barcelona have agreed a deal with somebody else they will first have to offer Fabregas to us on the same terms. We will then have a window - probably a week, not more than a fortnight - in which to match that offer and agree a deal with Fabregas. If we can't, they're free to sell him on those terms to the other club. Barcelona are not going to have agreed to a clause that effectively prevents them from selling him even if we're not buying him.
The clause in his contract is open to interpretation to a POINT.
That does not exclude the possibility that Arsenal can't block a move. Arsenal have first refusal and until they say "no'" then that refusal is legally binding. It does depend on what the clause says and unless anyone can provide that document this is all academic but until Arsenal say NO then its in Arsenal's hands.
And that is what arsenal have done, they have said no.
Do you actually believe that there's a possibility that Barcelona can inform us of their intention to sell him to Chelsea (for example) tomorrow and we say "hmmm, we might want to sign him in the future" and they won't be able to sell him til the next window? It's basic commercial common sense that there will be a limited time period after they inform us of their intention to sell in which we have priority to exercise our option - this clause will have probably been negotiated over for days, think somebody might have thought about that.
It's naive in the extreme to thing we can string them along til the next transfer window. Despite being referred to as 'first refusal' the point of this type of clause is giving priority in buying the player back, not to allow the club to veto all transfers of the other players.
I don't think its likely we will string them along but it depends on what the clause states. It is possible that we CAN say we will take him on x date as the clause is still being met. That was my point. As soon as they offer us we make an agreement for next year. It can happen but it won't happen and is want suggesting it was going to I was just highlighting Arsenal's position.
As I said, its down to Arsenal to say "no" and then they are free to do what they like.
Ridiculous thought process
If this was a straight battle for his signature and cesc picked them over us then I would agree with your feelings towards cesc, but this isn't a straight battle - we have a clause in his transfer contract that gives us first refusal at a set fee, so if king dickhead decides to let him go play for a rival team, what is cesc to do ?? I would hate to see him play for one of our domestic rivals but if we reject him then as far as I'm concerned he can sign for any club he chooses (and that includes the chavs and the scum from the swamp)
we slag off.
