THE WENGER THREAD

[Ikechukwu1]

So just to recap: after the collective wankathon of scraping past mighty Hull in the cup final...Arsenal fans have seen a 3% increase in ST prices (despite having players nowhere near the standard of the big 3 teams). We've watched the best right back of the last 15 years walk and join Citeh on a free. Yet another player better than anything we have in the position, joining them. And then to top it all off we have had the Cesc fiasco. Has one manager ever acted like such a royal c**t in the space of a few weeks i wonder....

[Theoperator]

I think that the ST hike was announced before the FAC wankathon, and... to quote a phrase of one so long lost, thats a FACT

[foxinthebox2001]

As I remember, one of the 'obstacles' used in recent summer transfer windows was the medical staff are on holiday until July, so its not possible to check over any potential new arrivals.
Do the Chavs not allow their staff any holidays?

[DB10GOONER]

As I remember, one of the 'obstacles' used in recent summer transfer windows was the medical staff are on holiday until July, so its not possible to check over any potential new arrivals.

Are you sure it's not the polar opposite of that?

I simply cannot believe our medical team do a single thing - until they misdiagnose a player's injury in October.

[foxinthebox2001]

As I remember, one of the 'obstacles' used in recent summer transfer windows was the medical staff are on holiday until July, so its not possible to check over any potential new arrivals.

Are you sure it's not the polar opposite of that?

I simply cannot believe our medical team do a single thing - until they misdiagnose a player's injury in October.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/tra ... n-to-hold-
Even if Fellaini agrees a package with Arsenal, the club are in no rush to complete the signing, as most of their key staff, including the medical team, are now on holiday and will not return to the club until the end of June

[OneBardGooner]

As I remember, one of the 'obstacles' used in recent summer transfer windows was the medical staff are on holiday until July, so its not possible to check over any potential new arrivals.

Are you sure it's not the polar opposite of that?

I simply cannot believe our medical team do a single thing - until they misdiagnose a player's injury in October.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/tra ... n-to-hold-
Even if Fellaini agrees a package with Arsenal, the club are in no rush to complete the signing, as most of their key staff, including the medical team, are now on holiday and will not return to the club until the end of June

Holy slappin f*ckin' arseholes margaret do we have to go through all this nonsense a feckin gain.

higuan is NOT Coming and Neither is fellaini

WENGER OUT!

[TeeCee]

Imagine my delight when I turned on TF1 (the terrestrial channel who are showing the world cup games live out here), really looking forward to the world cup and the first thing I see is the French commentator turn to Wonga and that inane, smug smile is there looking as happy as a pig in shit as another million goes into his coffers. Fucking Wonga!!!!! I'm still learning French so can't tell all that he is saying yet but one thing is for sure, he ain't looking to sign anyone, he is purely doing the co-commentating. He won't even start looking until August and any deals will be done on the last day as we try to save £500k on the Kalou transfer.
Gazidis's comments from a week or two ago should ring alarm bells.......apart from the '"I am confident we will add what we need this summer. The manager is not scared to spend, has the experience....' bit, which is said every single year but is complete bollocks 99% of the time, the last bit ......', but as always will have to juggle a set budget'......is the killer sentence.
Sales and money in must be made first, then he will spend around 5-10m more than he has brought in, not a penny more. So it seems people are estimating we made a few million from the Cesc deal, now there's reports of Sociedad buying us out of Vela's contract for 9m......Sagna's off of the wage bill saving over 3m a year.......maybe Cazorla sold for around 17m? Could possibly be around 30-35m brought in so Wonga can go and buy a couple of French/African journeymen for 20-25m, meets his financial targets and earns another 3m bonus from Kranky for not spending 'anything'.

Greedy bastard OUT!!!

[SteveO 35]

Imagine my delight when I turned on TF1 (the terrestrial channel who are showing the world cup games live out here), really looking forward to the world cup and the first thing I see is the French commentator turn to Wonga and that inane, smug smile is there looking as happy as a pig in shit as another million goes into his coffers. Fucking Wonga!!!!! I'm still learning French so can't tell all that he is saying yet but one thing is for sure, he ain't looking to sign anyone, he is purely doing the co-commentating. He won't even start looking until August and any deals will be done on the last day as we try to save £500k on the Kalou transfer.
Gazidis's comments from a week or two ago should ring alarm bells.......apart from the '"I am confident we will add what we need this summer. The manager is not scared to spend, has the experience....' bit, which is said every single year but is complete bollocks 99% of the time, the last bit ......', but as always will have to juggle a set budget'......is the killer sentence.
Sales and money in must be made first, then he will spend around 5-10m more than he has brought in, not a penny more. So it seems people are estimating we made a few million from the Cesc deal, now there's reports of Sociedad buying us out of Vela's contract for 9m......Sagna's off of the wage bill saving over 3m a year.......maybe Cazorla sold for around 17m? Could possibly be around 30-35m brought in so Wonga can go and buy a couple of French/African journeymen for 20-25m, meets his financial targets and earns another 3m bonus from Kranky for not spending 'anything'.

Greedy bastard OUT!!!

Be sure to look out for these beginner's French phrases mate:

il est très calme au cours de la Coupe du monde
prix artificiels
je ne suis pas peur de dépenser de l'argent
personne n'est disponible au juste prix
la première priorité est de garder l'équipe actuelle ainsi
Je suis désolé qu'il n'a pas coûté 20 millions
Sanogo semble très bien dans la formation
la réponse n'est pas toujours d'acheter
nous espérons que l'UEFA punira les équipes qui ne respectent pas les règles

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Bollocks and shit.
I'm hijacking this poxey thread for a moment.

Lefty, good to see you back pal. Hope the family are well. Now post some bloody jokes. I'm back in UK and pissed about it.

WENGER OUT, it's your fault my pm 's don't work, or Lefty got four of them. You've got more chance of getting what you are looking for in Lidl than in Brazil you thieving frog.
Quartz, have you been making sherry trifle today, I normally agree with you but not your previous post.

WENGER OUT

Thank you

Hello mate, had a great holiday thanks and family are well, how's you and what you doing back here Aussie

I will post some crap jokes later today

Don't know if you meant you sent me a pm but haven't got any new ones

Sorry for going off topic mods (and mini-mod)

[OneBardGooner]

Mon Deiu !!!



Got shyte faced on Brains Black and Tequila last night - and had some good banter and chat with 2 other football fans, one a Toffee, the other an Aston Villa fan and we were talking about the changes in Football over the last 20 years or so, and we got onto the changes within our own clubs and to football itself recently...and from those conversations and arguments) btw: One thought Wenger should go, the other thought he should stay !

I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts...

When we signed Ozil at the thirteenth hour last season - I was "flabberghasted" - as I had already resigned myself to the situation with my team and club being managed (and controlled at all levels) by a manager who was not going to sign anyone of note because it didn't fit in with his doctrine.
When that signing happened - i actually thought 'wenger has woken up' - he has seen the error of his ways and things are going to change and improve for the better.
Then as the season wore on and the leaks of his being made to sign Ozil started to filter out, I realised nothing had or would change as long as he (AND the present Owner/CEO/Board/Structure is in charge. But I think Wenger needs to go, so when the Owner and Board get a manager who demands to spend, then that can filter upwards instead of their shyte always filtering down onto us.

So like most peeps I come on this thread already knowing we are not going to sign the players that are needed if we are to realistically challenge for the Prem and/or Cl Cup. And we mostly have a laugh etc, so why is it I still 'hope' (beyond hope) that we might actually sign someone of note a "World Class Striker"?

But there is something I no longer have ANY hope for, because I know with 100% of my being that The Arsenal I knew as a child , through my teens and onwards IS GONE.... and will NEVER be the same again - Okay, that's part of how it goes in all sphere's of life as it unfolds - things, politics, people, friends, families, cultures etc all change, but I have seen The Arsenal become "The Personal Chess Set" of a man who having worked miracles on his arrival - seems to have allowed those initial successes to go to his head (his ego is now out of control) and having positioned himself in an untouchable position within the club, has allowed him to be part of something that has changed the club's - Character and Soul - with the changes in the boardroom, the arrival of an American Owner - who was at first vilified and was described as being '(that sort) "Not being welcome at our club" - who being involved purely for financial game, (at least Abramovich is a football fan) - was given the thumb's up by Wenger - because he was first and foremost for profit even at the cost of winning trophies.

Yes, all Top Football Club's Need Money, But, the best and most efficient way to achieve Profit is to be successful - Success brings, trophies, reputation, the best players, more trophies, more profit, a bigger share of all the other profit related marketing brands and strategies and so on and so on

Which is why I honestly believe that having now achieved the move from a limited (though dearly missed) Highbury to a new Ground, the club have now made those initial financial measures and constraints put in place to see the change of ground succeed, the 'rule of thumb' even though there is no longer any need for such stringent financial measures.


The way the club is now being run has also meant that THE Arsenal is gradually becoming just another club in the sense of it being a brand name in football/sport and is that distinction it once had and for want of a better term I think it is 'Losing its "Class" ', and that is something I cannot forgive.

The Beautiful Game - in the truest sense of the word - no longer exists - not just because of the Money Making machine it has now become, which in turn, turns players heads, beliefs, morals, which has exacerbated and perpetuated the cheating and diving, dis-respect for officials, the fans, the club. Players kissing the badge one week and selling their souls and shirts for more money the next, all of which contributes to Football becoming just another sport, and how those Football Clubs once renowned for being a Class above the others, being perceived as noting more than a Business within a Sport, and so with it their "Class".

And whilst all clubs with any sense of history and tradition face a real battle to maintain their identity (not corporate) and those roots that gave them that sense of distinction - (Class), because of the New World Order, which governs (strangles) the world by Money and Financial Profit. I (sadly) see the "Class" that was a by-word of Arsenal (The Arsenal) - being gradually tarnished and so slipping away.
I don't know about any of you Gooners, but right from when I first realised I 'Loved Arsenal', when I understood we weren't (just) Arsenal, but THE Arsenal, I automatically thought of us as being a "Class" act. When I thought of Arsenal I thought of "Class".

I say this because I think part a contributing factor to how our "Class" feels less like it once did, is also to do with all the in fighting between Arsenal fans - yes, there will always be differences of opinion on players, formations, etc etc, but I have never ever known the polarisation between fans ( so called AKB's and WOB's) be so extreme - to the point of fighting amongst our own kind - even amongst those caught in the middle, who because of their love and devotion to their club, feel somewhat lost and overwhelmed.

I recently had a conversation with a friend of my older brother - they used to go to Highbury together through the 60's, 70's and 80's. And he said 'It always used to feel like "family" - if he ever bother going these days (when he can afford it) he said 'I almost feel like I cannot say what i really feel because the person next to me might start a fight or report me to a steward' - also 'the players love the money and fame first, more than the game itself'.

(Edit)
* *Class = showing stylish excellence, being of a particular kind that is anything but ordinary

[DB10GOONER]

Mon Deiu !!!



Got shyte faced on Brains Black and Tequila last night - and had some good banter and chat with 2 other football fans, one a Toffee, the other an Aston Villa fan and we were talking about the changes in Football over the last 20 years or so, and we got onto the changes within our own clubs and to football itself recently...and from those conversations and arguments) btw: One thought Wenger should go, the other thought he should stay !

I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts...

When we signed Ozil at the thirteenth hour last season - I was "flabberghasted" - as I had already resigned myself to the situation with my team and club being managed (and controlled at all levels) by a manager who was not going to sign anyone of note because it didn't fit in with his doctrine.
When that signing happened - i actually thought 'wenger has woken up' - he has seen the error of his ways and things are going to change and improve for the better.
Then as the season wore on and the leaks of his being made to sign Ozil started to filter out, I realised nothing had or would change as long as he (AND the present Owner/CEO/Board/Structure is in charge. But I think Wenger needs to go, so when the Owner and Board get a manager who demands to spend, then that can filter upwards instead of their shyte always filtering down onto us.

So like most peeps I come on this thread already knowing we are not going to sign the players that are needed if we are to realistically challenge for the Prem and/or Cl Cup. And we mostly have a laugh etc, so why is it I still 'hope' (beyond hope) that we might actually sign someone of note a "World Class Striker"?

But there is something I no longer have ANY hope for, because I know with 100% of my being that The Arsenal I knew as a child , through my teens and onwards IS GONE.... and will NEVER be the same again - Okay, that's part of how it goes in all sphere's of life as it unfolds - things, politics, people, friends, families, cultures etc all change, but I have seen The Arsenal become "The Personal Chess Set" of a man who having worked miracles on his arrival - seems to have allowed those initial successes to go to his head (his ego is now out of control) and having positioned himself in an untouchable position within the club, has allowed him to be part of something that has changed the club's - Character and Soul - with the changes in the boardroom, the arrival of an American Owner - who was at first vilified and was described as being '(that sort) "Not being welcome at our club" - who being involved purely for financial game, (at least Abramovich is a football fan) - was given the thumb's up by Wenger - because he was first and foremost for profit even at the cost of winning trophies.

Yes, all Top Football Club's Need Money, But, the best and most efficient way to achieve Profit is to be successful - Success brings, trophies, reputation, the best players, more trophies, more profit, a bigger share of all the other profit related marketing brands and strategies and so on and so on

Which is why I honestly believe that having now achieved the move from a limited (though dearly missed) Highbury to a new Ground, the club have now made those initial financial measures and constraints put in place to see the change of ground succeed, the 'rule of thumb' even though there is no longer any need for such stringent financial measures.


The way the club is now being run has also meant that THE Arsenal is gradually becoming just another club in the sense of it being a brand name in football/sport and is that distinction it once had and for want of a better term I think it is 'Losing its "Class" ', and that is something I cannot forgive.

The Beautiful Game - in the truest sense of the word - no longer exists - not just because of the Money Making machine it has now become, which in turn, turns players heads, beliefs, morals, which has exacerbated and perpetuated the cheating and diving, dis-respect for officials, the fans, the club. Players kissing the badge one week and selling their souls and shirts for more money the next, all of which contributes to Football becoming just another sport, and how those Football Clubs once renowned for being a Class above the others, being perceived as noting more than a Business within a Sport, and so with it their "Class".

And whilst all clubs with any sense of history and tradition face a real battle to maintain their identity (not corporate) and those roots that gave them that sense of distinction - (Class), because of the New World Order, which governs (strangles) the world by Money and Financial Profit. I (sadly) see the "Class" that was a by-word of Arsenal (The Arsenal) - being gradually tarnished and so slipping away.
I don't know about any of you Gooners, but right from when I first realised I 'Loved Arsenal', when I understood we weren't (just) Arsenal, but THE Arsenal, I automatically thought of us as being a "Class" act. When I thought of Arsenal I thought of "Class".

I say this because I think part a contributing factor to how our "Class" feels less like it once did, is also to do with all the in fighting between Arsenal fans - yes, there will always be differences of opinion on players, formations, etc etc, but I have never ever known the polarisation between fans ( so called AKB's and WOB's) be so extreme - to the point of fighting amongst our own kind - even amongst those caught in the middle, who because of their love and devotion to their club, feel somewhat lost and overwhelmed.

I recently had a conversation with a friend of my older brother - they used to go to Highbury together through the 60's, 70's and 80's. And he said 'It always used to feel like "family" - if he ever bother going these days (when he can afford it) he said 'I almost feel like I cannot say what i really feel because the person next to me might start a fight or report me to a steward' - also 'the players love the money and fame first, more than the game itself'.

(Edit)
* *Class = showing stylish excellence, being of a particular kind that is anything but ordinary

Fucking hell, you Ewoks don't half write alot! I got as far as "I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts..." and then I just went and had a poo.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

Mon Deiu !!!



Got shyte faced on Brains Black and Tequila last night - and had some good banter and chat with 2 other football fans, one a Toffee, the other an Aston Villa fan and we were talking about the changes in Football over the last 20 years or so, and we got onto the changes within our own clubs and to football itself recently...and from those conversations and arguments) btw: One thought Wenger should go, the other thought he should stay !

I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts...

When we signed Ozil at the thirteenth hour last season - I was "flabberghasted" - as I had already resigned myself to the situation with my team and club being managed (and controlled at all levels) by a manager who was not going to sign anyone of note because it didn't fit in with his doctrine.
When that signing happened - i actually thought 'wenger has woken up' - he has seen the error of his ways and things are going to change and improve for the better.
Then as the season wore on and the leaks of his being made to sign Ozil started to filter out, I realised nothing had or would change as long as he (AND the present Owner/CEO/Board/Structure is in charge. But I think Wenger needs to go, so when the Owner and Board get a manager who demands to spend, then that can filter upwards instead of their shyte always filtering down onto us.

So like most peeps I come on this thread already knowing we are not going to sign the players that are needed if we are to realistically challenge for the Prem and/or Cl Cup. And we mostly have a laugh etc, so why is it I still 'hope' (beyond hope) that we might actually sign someone of note a "World Class Striker"?

But there is something I no longer have ANY hope for, because I know with 100% of my being that The Arsenal I knew as a child , through my teens and onwards IS GONE.... and will NEVER be the same again - Okay, that's part of how it goes in all sphere's of life as it unfolds - things, politics, people, friends, families, cultures etc all change, but I have seen The Arsenal become "The Personal Chess Set" of a man who having worked miracles on his arrival - seems to have allowed those initial successes to go to his head (his ego is now out of control) and having positioned himself in an untouchable position within the club, has allowed him to be part of something that has changed the club's - Character and Soul - with the changes in the boardroom, the arrival of an American Owner - who was at first vilified and was described as being '(that sort) "Not being welcome at our club" - who being involved purely for financial game, (at least Abramovich is a football fan) - was given the thumb's up by Wenger - because he was first and foremost for profit even at the cost of winning trophies.

Yes, all Top Football Club's Need Money, But, the best and most efficient way to achieve Profit is to be successful - Success brings, trophies, reputation, the best players, more trophies, more profit, a bigger share of all the other profit related marketing brands and strategies and so on and so on

Which is why I honestly believe that having now achieved the move from a limited (though dearly missed) Highbury to a new Ground, the club have now made those initial financial measures and constraints put in place to see the change of ground succeed, the 'rule of thumb' even though there is no longer any need for such stringent financial measures.


The way the club is now being run has also meant that THE Arsenal is gradually becoming just another club in the sense of it being a brand name in football/sport and is that distinction it once had and for want of a better term I think it is 'Losing its "Class" ', and that is something I cannot forgive.

The Beautiful Game - in the truest sense of the word - no longer exists - not just because of the Money Making machine it has now become, which in turn, turns players heads, beliefs, morals, which has exacerbated and perpetuated the cheating and diving, dis-respect for officials, the fans, the club. Players kissing the badge one week and selling their souls and shirts for more money the next, all of which contributes to Football becoming just another sport, and how those Football Clubs once renowned for being a Class above the others, being perceived as noting more than a Business within a Sport, and so with it their "Class".

And whilst all clubs with any sense of history and tradition face a real battle to maintain their identity (not corporate) and those roots that gave them that sense of distinction - (Class), because of the New World Order, which governs (strangles) the world by Money and Financial Profit. I (sadly) see the "Class" that was a by-word of Arsenal (The Arsenal) - being gradually tarnished and so slipping away.
I don't know about any of you Gooners, but right from when I first realised I 'Loved Arsenal', when I understood we weren't (just) Arsenal, but THE Arsenal, I automatically thought of us as being a "Class" act. When I thought of Arsenal I thought of "Class".

I say this because I think part a contributing factor to how our "Class" feels less like it once did, is also to do with all the in fighting between Arsenal fans - yes, there will always be differences of opinion on players, formations, etc etc, but I have never ever known the polarisation between fans ( so called AKB's and WOB's) be so extreme - to the point of fighting amongst our own kind - even amongst those caught in the middle, who because of their love and devotion to their club, feel somewhat lost and overwhelmed.

I recently had a conversation with a friend of my older brother - they used to go to Highbury together through the 60's, 70's and 80's. And he said 'It always used to feel like "family" - if he ever bother going these days (when he can afford it) he said 'I almost feel like I cannot say what i really feel because the person next to me might start a fight or report me to a steward' - also 'the players love the money and fame first, more than the game itself'.

(Edit)
* *Class = showing stylish excellence, being of a particular kind that is anything but ordinary

Fucking hell, you Ewoks don't half write alot! I got as far as "I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts..." and then I just went and had a poo.

Whilst wanking

[OneBardGooner]

Mon Deiu !!!



Got shyte faced on Brains Black and Tequila last night - and had some good banter and chat with 2 other football fans, one a Toffee, the other an Aston Villa fan and we were talking about the changes in Football over the last 20 years or so, and we got onto the changes within our own clubs and to football itself recently...and from those conversations and arguments) btw: One thought Wenger should go, the other thought he should stay !

I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts...

When we signed Ozil at the thirteenth hour last season - I was "flabberghasted" - as I had already resigned myself to the situation with my team and club being managed (and controlled at all levels) by a manager who was not going to sign anyone of note because it didn't fit in with his doctrine.
When that signing happened - i actually thought 'wenger has woken up' - he has seen the error of his ways and things are going to change and improve for the better.
Then as the season wore on and the leaks of his being made to sign Ozil started to filter out, I realised nothing had or would change as long as he (AND the present Owner/CEO/Board/Structure is in charge. But I think Wenger needs to go, so when the Owner and Board get a manager who demands to spend, then that can filter upwards instead of their shyte always filtering down onto us.

So like most peeps I come on this thread already knowing we are not going to sign the players that are needed if we are to realistically challenge for the Prem and/or Cl Cup. And we mostly have a laugh etc, so why is it I still 'hope' (beyond hope) that we might actually sign someone of note a "World Class Striker"?

But there is something I no longer have ANY hope for, because I know with 100% of my being that The Arsenal I knew as a child , through my teens and onwards IS GONE.... and will NEVER be the same again - Okay, that's part of how it goes in all sphere's of life as it unfolds - things, politics, people, friends, families, cultures etc all change, but I have seen The Arsenal become "The Personal Chess Set" of a man who having worked miracles on his arrival - seems to have allowed those initial successes to go to his head (his ego is now out of control) and having positioned himself in an untouchable position within the club, has allowed him to be part of something that has changed the club's - Character and Soul - with the changes in the boardroom, the arrival of an American Owner - who was at first vilified and was described as being '(that sort) "Not being welcome at our club" - who being involved purely for financial game, (at least Abramovich is a football fan) - was given the thumb's up by Wenger - because he was first and foremost for profit even at the cost of winning trophies.

Yes, all Top Football Club's Need Money, But, the best and most efficient way to achieve Profit is to be successful - Success brings, trophies, reputation, the best players, more trophies, more profit, a bigger share of all the other profit related marketing brands and strategies and so on and so on

Which is why I honestly believe that having now achieved the move from a limited (though dearly missed) Highbury to a new Ground, the club have now made those initial financial measures and constraints put in place to see the change of ground succeed, the 'rule of thumb' even though there is no longer any need for such stringent financial measures.


The way the club is now being run has also meant that THE Arsenal is gradually becoming just another club in the sense of it being a brand name in football/sport and is that distinction it once had and for want of a better term I think it is 'Losing its "Class" ', and that is something I cannot forgive.

The Beautiful Game - in the truest sense of the word - no longer exists - not just because of the Money Making machine it has now become, which in turn, turns players heads, beliefs, morals, which has exacerbated and perpetuated the cheating and diving, dis-respect for officials, the fans, the club. Players kissing the badge one week and selling their souls and shirts for more money the next, all of which contributes to Football becoming just another sport, and how those Football Clubs once renowned for being a Class above the others, being perceived as noting more than a Business within a Sport, and so with it their "Class".

And whilst all clubs with any sense of history and tradition face a real battle to maintain their identity (not corporate) and those roots that gave them that sense of distinction - (Class), because of the New World Order, which governs (strangles) the world by Money and Financial Profit. I (sadly) see the "Class" that was a by-word of Arsenal (The Arsenal) - being gradually tarnished and so slipping away.
I don't know about any of you Gooners, but right from when I first realised I 'Loved Arsenal', when I understood we weren't (just) Arsenal, but THE Arsenal, I automatically thought of us as being a "Class" act. When I thought of Arsenal I thought of "Class".

I say this because I think part a contributing factor to how our "Class" feels less like it once did, is also to do with all the in fighting between Arsenal fans - yes, there will always be differences of opinion on players, formations, etc etc, but I have never ever known the polarisation between fans ( so called AKB's and WOB's) be so extreme - to the point of fighting amongst our own kind - even amongst those caught in the middle, who because of their love and devotion to their club, feel somewhat lost and overwhelmed.

I recently had a conversation with a friend of my older brother - they used to go to Highbury together through the 60's, 70's and 80's. And he said 'It always used to feel like "family" - if he ever bother going these days (when he can afford it) he said 'I almost feel like I cannot say what i really feel because the person next to me might start a fight or report me to a steward' - also 'the players love the money and fame first, more than the game itself'.

(Edit)
* *Class = showing stylish excellence, being of a particular kind that is anything but ordinary

Fucking hell, you Ewoks don't half write alot! I got as far as "I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts..." and then I just went and had a poo.

And I expect you used a step ladder to be able to sit on the loo and as usual wearing a safety harness so you don't fall in!

[DB10GOONER]

Mon Deiu !!!



Got shyte faced on Brains Black and Tequila last night - and had some good banter and chat with 2 other football fans, one a Toffee, the other an Aston Villa fan and we were talking about the changes in Football over the last 20 years or so, and we got onto the changes within our own clubs and to football itself recently...and from those conversations and arguments) btw: One thought Wenger should go, the other thought he should stay !

I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts...

When we signed Ozil at the thirteenth hour last season - I was "flabberghasted" - as I had already resigned myself to the situation with my team and club being managed (and controlled at all levels) by a manager who was not going to sign anyone of note because it didn't fit in with his doctrine.
When that signing happened - i actually thought 'wenger has woken up' - he has seen the error of his ways and things are going to change and improve for the better.
Then as the season wore on and the leaks of his being made to sign Ozil started to filter out, I realised nothing had or would change as long as he (AND the present Owner/CEO/Board/Structure is in charge. But I think Wenger needs to go, so when the Owner and Board get a manager who demands to spend, then that can filter upwards instead of their shyte always filtering down onto us.

So like most peeps I come on this thread already knowing we are not going to sign the players that are needed if we are to realistically challenge for the Prem and/or Cl Cup. And we mostly have a laugh etc, so why is it I still 'hope' (beyond hope) that we might actually sign someone of note a "World Class Striker"?

But there is something I no longer have ANY hope for, because I know with 100% of my being that The Arsenal I knew as a child , through my teens and onwards IS GONE.... and will NEVER be the same again - Okay, that's part of how it goes in all sphere's of life as it unfolds - things, politics, people, friends, families, cultures etc all change, but I have seen The Arsenal become "The Personal Chess Set" of a man who having worked miracles on his arrival - seems to have allowed those initial successes to go to his head (his ego is now out of control) and having positioned himself in an untouchable position within the club, has allowed him to be part of something that has changed the club's - Character and Soul - with the changes in the boardroom, the arrival of an American Owner - who was at first vilified and was described as being '(that sort) "Not being welcome at our club" - who being involved purely for financial game, (at least Abramovich is a football fan) - was given the thumb's up by Wenger - because he was first and foremost for profit even at the cost of winning trophies.

Yes, all Top Football Club's Need Money, But, the best and most efficient way to achieve Profit is to be successful - Success brings, trophies, reputation, the best players, more trophies, more profit, a bigger share of all the other profit related marketing brands and strategies and so on and so on

Which is why I honestly believe that having now achieved the move from a limited (though dearly missed) Highbury to a new Ground, the club have now made those initial financial measures and constraints put in place to see the change of ground succeed, the 'rule of thumb' even though there is no longer any need for such stringent financial measures.


The way the club is now being run has also meant that THE Arsenal is gradually becoming just another club in the sense of it being a brand name in football/sport and is that distinction it once had and for want of a better term I think it is 'Losing its "Class" ', and that is something I cannot forgive.

The Beautiful Game - in the truest sense of the word - no longer exists - not just because of the Money Making machine it has now become, which in turn, turns players heads, beliefs, morals, which has exacerbated and perpetuated the cheating and diving, dis-respect for officials, the fans, the club. Players kissing the badge one week and selling their souls and shirts for more money the next, all of which contributes to Football becoming just another sport, and how those Football Clubs once renowned for being a Class above the others, being perceived as noting more than a Business within a Sport, and so with it their "Class".

And whilst all clubs with any sense of history and tradition face a real battle to maintain their identity (not corporate) and those roots that gave them that sense of distinction - (Class), because of the New World Order, which governs (strangles) the world by Money and Financial Profit. I (sadly) see the "Class" that was a by-word of Arsenal (The Arsenal) - being gradually tarnished and so slipping away.
I don't know about any of you Gooners, but right from when I first realised I 'Loved Arsenal', when I understood we weren't (just) Arsenal, but THE Arsenal, I automatically thought of us as being a "Class" act. When I thought of Arsenal I thought of "Class".

I say this because I think part a contributing factor to how our "Class" feels less like it once did, is also to do with all the in fighting between Arsenal fans - yes, there will always be differences of opinion on players, formations, etc etc, but I have never ever known the polarisation between fans ( so called AKB's and WOB's) be so extreme - to the point of fighting amongst our own kind - even amongst those caught in the middle, who because of their love and devotion to their club, feel somewhat lost and overwhelmed.

I recently had a conversation with a friend of my older brother - they used to go to Highbury together through the 60's, 70's and 80's. And he said 'It always used to feel like "family" - if he ever bother going these days (when he can afford it) he said 'I almost feel like I cannot say what i really feel because the person next to me might start a fight or report me to a steward' - also 'the players love the money and fame first, more than the game itself'.

(Edit)
* *Class = showing stylish excellence, being of a particular kind that is anything but ordinary

Fucking hell, you Ewoks don't half write alot! I got as far as "I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts..." and then I just went and had a poo.

Whilst wanking

Ah, yes - good old Tom. If he wasn't poowanking himself into a coma he was chucking "mayo" all over Alan Davies' stupid looking hair!

[DB10GOONER]

Mon Deiu !!!



Got shyte faced on Brains Black and Tequila last night - and had some good banter and chat with 2 other football fans, one a Toffee, the other an Aston Villa fan and we were talking about the changes in Football over the last 20 years or so, and we got onto the changes within our own clubs and to football itself recently...and from those conversations and arguments) btw: One thought Wenger should go, the other thought he should stay !

I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts...

When we signed Ozil at the thirteenth hour last season - I was "flabberghasted" - as I had already resigned myself to the situation with my team and club being managed (and controlled at all levels) by a manager who was not going to sign anyone of note because it didn't fit in with his doctrine.
When that signing happened - i actually thought 'wenger has woken up' - he has seen the error of his ways and things are going to change and improve for the better.
Then as the season wore on and the leaks of his being made to sign Ozil started to filter out, I realised nothing had or would change as long as he (AND the present Owner/CEO/Board/Structure is in charge. But I think Wenger needs to go, so when the Owner and Board get a manager who demands to spend, then that can filter upwards instead of their shyte always filtering down onto us.

So like most peeps I come on this thread already knowing we are not going to sign the players that are needed if we are to realistically challenge for the Prem and/or Cl Cup. And we mostly have a laugh etc, so why is it I still 'hope' (beyond hope) that we might actually sign someone of note a "World Class Striker"?

But there is something I no longer have ANY hope for, because I know with 100% of my being that The Arsenal I knew as a child , through my teens and onwards IS GONE.... and will NEVER be the same again - Okay, that's part of how it goes in all sphere's of life as it unfolds - things, politics, people, friends, families, cultures etc all change, but I have seen The Arsenal become "The Personal Chess Set" of a man who having worked miracles on his arrival - seems to have allowed those initial successes to go to his head (his ego is now out of control) and having positioned himself in an untouchable position within the club, has allowed him to be part of something that has changed the club's - Character and Soul - with the changes in the boardroom, the arrival of an American Owner - who was at first vilified and was described as being '(that sort) "Not being welcome at our club" - who being involved purely for financial game, (at least Abramovich is a football fan) - was given the thumb's up by Wenger - because he was first and foremost for profit even at the cost of winning trophies.

Yes, all Top Football Club's Need Money, But, the best and most efficient way to achieve Profit is to be successful - Success brings, trophies, reputation, the best players, more trophies, more profit, a bigger share of all the other profit related marketing brands and strategies and so on and so on

Which is why I honestly believe that having now achieved the move from a limited (though dearly missed) Highbury to a new Ground, the club have now made those initial financial measures and constraints put in place to see the change of ground succeed, the 'rule of thumb' even though there is no longer any need for such stringent financial measures.


The way the club is now being run has also meant that THE Arsenal is gradually becoming just another club in the sense of it being a brand name in football/sport and is that distinction it once had and for want of a better term I think it is 'Losing its "Class" ', and that is something I cannot forgive.

The Beautiful Game - in the truest sense of the word - no longer exists - not just because of the Money Making machine it has now become, which in turn, turns players heads, beliefs, morals, which has exacerbated and perpetuated the cheating and diving, dis-respect for officials, the fans, the club. Players kissing the badge one week and selling their souls and shirts for more money the next, all of which contributes to Football becoming just another sport, and how those Football Clubs once renowned for being a Class above the others, being perceived as noting more than a Business within a Sport, and so with it their "Class".

And whilst all clubs with any sense of history and tradition face a real battle to maintain their identity (not corporate) and those roots that gave them that sense of distinction - (Class), because of the New World Order, which governs (strangles) the world by Money and Financial Profit. I (sadly) see the "Class" that was a by-word of Arsenal (The Arsenal) - being gradually tarnished and so slipping away.
I don't know about any of you Gooners, but right from when I first realised I 'Loved Arsenal', when I understood we weren't (just) Arsenal, but THE Arsenal, I automatically thought of us as being a "Class" act. When I thought of Arsenal I thought of "Class".

I say this because I think part a contributing factor to how our "Class" feels less like it once did, is also to do with all the in fighting between Arsenal fans - yes, there will always be differences of opinion on players, formations, etc etc, but I have never ever known the polarisation between fans ( so called AKB's and WOB's) be so extreme - to the point of fighting amongst our own kind - even amongst those caught in the middle, who because of their love and devotion to their club, feel somewhat lost and overwhelmed.

I recently had a conversation with a friend of my older brother - they used to go to Highbury together through the 60's, 70's and 80's. And he said 'It always used to feel like "family" - if he ever bother going these days (when he can afford it) he said 'I almost feel like I cannot say what i really feel because the person next to me might start a fight or report me to a steward' - also 'the players love the money and fame first, more than the game itself'.

(Edit)
* *Class = showing stylish excellence, being of a particular kind that is anything but ordinary

Fucking hell, you Ewoks don't half write alot! I got as far as "I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts..." and then I just went and had a poo.

And I expect you used a step ladder to be able to sit on the loo and as usual wearing a safety harness so you don't fall in!

Haven't you got a Barbie House to be bunjee jumping off?