[POLL] Should we have bought back Cesc Fabregas?

[kiwomya]

I wonder how many of the people who are saying we don't need Fabregas because we have too many midfielders ... are the same people who were saying we would have won the league if Ramsey hadn't got injured ?!

Can't have it both ways surely?

If people think it's solely down to Ramsey being injured alone then those people haven't got a clue. Arsenal suffered due to multiple injuries to players all at the same time. Look at the run of results whilst being without Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil and Walcott. No one player would have solved that lot.

[northbank123]

Arsenal suffered because our system and lack of versatility means we are reliant on players staying fit and on form all year, which is completely unrealistic. Particularly if you are going to run players into the ground like he did with Ozil, Ramsey, Walcott and Giroud.

I've said before, people consider most teams as having maybe 2-4 key players and judge injury misfortune based on those. With us there are probably 12-15 players who people will cite as a significant loss if they're injured and naturally then complain about our luck with injuries.

[DB10GOONER]

I wonder how many of the people who are saying we don't need Fabregas because we have too many midfielders ... are the same people who were saying we would have won the league if Ramsey hadn't got injured ?!

Can't have it both ways surely?

If people think it's solely down to Ramsey being injured alone then those people haven't got a clue. Arsenal suffered due to multiple injuries to players all at the same time. Look at the run of results whilst being without Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil and Walcott. No one player would have solved that lot.

I've heard it said and read it. And whilst I don't agree that one player can win or lose a PL, I would say that Rambo's long term injury had the biggest negative impact on our season of any injury, as not only was he our best player by a country mile, but also his injury impacted hugely on Giroud. We no longer had a midfielder that had both the drive to get in behind Giroud and latch onto his numerous knock downs, but also we lost one of the few players we had with the technical ability to finish alot of those chances himself or lay on a sitter for someone else.

The fact we didn't have a top class replacement for Rambo in the squad was deffo one of the key reasons for our season floundering.

[augie]

I wonder how many of the people who are saying we don't need Fabregas because we have too many midfielders ... are the same people who were saying we would have won the league if Ramsey hadn't got injured ?!

Can't have it both ways surely?

If people think it's solely down to Ramsey being injured alone then those people haven't got a clue. Arsenal suffered due to multiple injuries to players all at the same time. Look at the run of results whilst being without Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil and Walcott. No one player would have solved that lot.

We lost out cos we didn't have a world class striker to make the difference in those really big games. We lost cos we are tactically inept in every way possible and continually get exposed by any half decent manager and team. We lost out cos we have no backbone and collapse when the big games come around. And yes we lost out cos of injuries and lack of quality replacements

[kiwomya]

I wonder how many of the people who are saying we don't need Fabregas because we have too many midfielders ... are the same people who were saying we would have won the league if Ramsey hadn't got injured ?!

Can't have it both ways surely?

If people think it's solely down to Ramsey being injured alone then those people haven't got a clue. Arsenal suffered due to multiple injuries to players all at the same time. Look at the run of results whilst being without Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil and Walcott. No one player would have solved that lot.

We lost out cos we didn't have a world class striker to make the difference in those really big games. We lost cos we are tactically inept in every way possible and continually get exposed by any half decent manager and team. We lost out cos we have no backbone and collapse when the big games come around. And yes we lost out cos of injuries and lack of quality replacements

I think it's a bit over the top to make that sort of blanket statement for the season considering we actually won a trophy.

[A11M11]

I see the indefatigable Myles Palmer is saying that we didn't buy him because he would not drop Darren Dein as his agent . Palmer has a track record of writing copious amounts of crap but this actually makes a degree of sense seeing as he has screwed us over so many times and our board probably didn't want to boost the Dein family coffers any further.

[DB10GOONER]

I wonder how many of the people who are saying we don't need Fabregas because we have too many midfielders ... are the same people who were saying we would have won the league if Ramsey hadn't got injured ?!

Can't have it both ways surely?

If people think it's solely down to Ramsey being injured alone then those people haven't got a clue. Arsenal suffered due to multiple injuries to players all at the same time. Look at the run of results whilst being without Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil and Walcott. No one player would have solved that lot.

We lost out cos we didn't have a world class striker to make the difference in those really big games. We lost cos we are tactically inept in every way possible and continually get exposed by any half decent manager and team. We lost out cos we have no backbone and collapse when the big games come around. And yes we lost out cos of injuries and lack of quality replacements

I think it's a bit over the top to make that sort of blanket statement for the season considering we actually won a trophy.

TBH I think you can make such a statement where the PL is concerned. The trophy we won was a one off game at the end of a series of one off games (I'm not denegrading it as I'm still thrilled we won and fuck the begrudgers!) but the PL is an acumulation of points won by an acumulation of form and consistency. To win the cup you only have to "turn up" for individual games. To win the PL you have to build consistency and momentum and our failure to do so is linked to all the things augie listed.

[Ikechukwu1]

I wonder how many of the people who are saying we don't need Fabregas because we have too many midfielders ... are the same people who were saying we would have won the league if Ramsey hadn't got injured ?!

Can't have it both ways surely?

If people think it's solely down to Ramsey being injured alone then those people haven't got a clue. Arsenal suffered due to multiple injuries to players all at the same time. Look at the run of results whilst being without Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil and Walcott. No one player would have solved that lot.

We lost out cos we didn't have a world class striker to make the difference in those really big games. We lost cos we are tactically inept in every way possible and continually get exposed by any half decent manager and team. We lost out cos we have no backbone and collapse when the big games come around. And yes we lost out cos of injuries and lack of quality replacements

I think it's a bit over the top to make that sort of blanket statement for the season considering we actually won a trophy.

1. Wigan got relegated last season. So winning an FA Cup against Hull means almost nothing
2. 6-0 Chelski
3. 6-3 City
4. 5-1 Anfield
5. Routine Bayern humiliation at home
6. 3-0 Goodison
7. 128 days top of the league and finishing up fretting over 4th

I could say more but needless to say, this was one of the Worst league seasons I've ever seen as a Gooner.
I didn't think anything could too the Anfielf rout then I saw Chelski!

I do love how you Wenger-worshippers are hanging on to the FA Cup like it solved world hunger lol.
It's almost like 9 years of shite was wiped out by hanging on with extra time scrapes against Wigan n Hull!
Also...as AKBs love to say...since Hull and Wigan cannot compete financially with Arsenal, shouldn't Arsenal be expected to swat aside those teams? What's happened to the money excuse all of a sudden?

[kiwomya]

I wonder how many of the people who are saying we don't need Fabregas because we have too many midfielders ... are the same people who were saying we would have won the league if Ramsey hadn't got injured ?!

Can't have it both ways surely?

If people think it's solely down to Ramsey being injured alone then those people haven't got a clue. Arsenal suffered due to multiple injuries to players all at the same time. Look at the run of results whilst being without Ramsey, Wilshire, Ozil and Walcott. No one player would have solved that lot.

We lost out cos we didn't have a world class striker to make the difference in those really big games. We lost cos we are tactically inept in every way possible and continually get exposed by any half decent manager and team. We lost out cos we have no backbone and collapse when the big games come around. And yes we lost out cos of injuries and lack of quality replacements

I think it's a bit over the top to make that sort of blanket statement for the season considering we actually won a trophy.

1. Wigan got relegated last season. So winning an FA Cup against Hull means almost nothing
2. 6-0 Chelski
3. 6-3 City
4. 5-1 Anfield
5. Routine Bayern humiliation at home
6. 3-0 Goodison
7. 128 days top of the league and finishing up fretting over 4th

I could say more but needless to say, this was one of the Worst league seasons I've ever seen as a Gooner.
I didn't think anything could too the Anfielf rout then I saw Chelski!

I do love how you Wenger-worshippers are hanging on to the FA Cup like it solved world hunger lol.
It's almost like 9 years of shite was wiped out by hanging on with extra time scrapes against Wigan n Hull!
Also...as AKBs love to say...since Hull and Wigan cannot compete financially with Arsenal, shouldn't Arsenal be expected to swat aside those teams? What's happened to the money excuse all of a sudden?

Funny how nobody else could "swat" aside the teams they played in the FA Cup.

Yeah I agree it was the worst season in football EVER.

Anyways, I thought you were banned?

[Ikechukwu1]

[quote="kiwomya"][quote="Ikechukwu1"][quote="kiwomya"][quote="augie"]

Errrr banned for what?
So if I buy ur argument, then you're actually saying that money is not the be-all and end-all right?
Otherwise Hull wouldn't have been in that final! And I agree with you.
Therefore, can u pls stop prescribing Wenger's 9 years of incompetence to Chelski oil money etc
Wenger's failures as a manager have nothing to do with money. They have to do with the fact he's mediocre.
Also like the way you simply couldn't address the numerous league thrashings.
Think I've made my point....

[kiwomya]

Errrr banned for what?
So if I buy ur argument, then you're actually saying that money is not the be-all and end-all right?
Otherwise Hull wouldn't have been in that final! And I agree with you.
Therefore, can u pls stop prescribing Wenger's 9 years of incompetence to Chelski oil money etc
Wenger's failures as a manager have nothing to do with money. They have to do with the fact he's mediocre.
Also like the way you simply couldn't address the numerous league thrashings.
Think I've made my point....

Winning a trophy last season wasn't an opinion or any form of argument. It was a fact. Why does this anger you so much? For a dedicated Arsenal fan you seem programmed on bashing the whole club in any way you can.

[mcdowell42]

Babas back.

[kiwomya]

Babas back.

Oh no, see that's where your wrong. This is Ikechukwu1. Not the same thing.....

[Ikechukwu1]

Winning a trophy last season wasn't an opinion or any form of argument. It was a fact. Why does this anger you so much? For a dedicated Arsenal fan you seem programmed on bashing the whole club in any way you can.

Hmmm. Angry? Nope. Not at all. Think the word you're seeking is "utter indifference". Also I'm not bashing the club. I'm pointing out that Wigan matches our achievement last year. That isn't an opinion it's a fact too!
Wenger himself has said numerous times that only the PL and CL count as real trophies! What do you make of that then?
I'd also like to ask if you base success on trophies, if you therefore accept that AW failed miserably for 9 years straight? Trophies are either the main currency or not. So if he wins nothing next season he's failed. Right? None of this "CL qualification" etc
And yes MacD "Ikechukwu" and "Babatunde" are the exact same. All them Africans are the same innit?

[DB10GOONER]

Winning a trophy last season wasn't an opinion or any form of argument. It was a fact. Why does this anger you so much? For a dedicated Arsenal fan you seem programmed on bashing the whole club in any way you can.

Hmmm. Angry? Nope. Not at all. Think the word you're seeking is "utter indifference". Also I'm not bashing the club. I'm pointing out that Wigan matches our achievement last year. That isn't an opinion it's a fact too!
Wenger himself has said numerous times that only the PL and CL count as real trophies! What do you make of that then?
I'd also like to ask if you base success on trophies, if you therefore accept that AW failed miserably for 9 years straight? Trophies are either the main currency or not. So if he wins nothing next season he's failed. Right? None of this "CL qualification" etc
And yes MacD "Ikechukwu" and "Babatunde" are the exact same. All them Africans are the same innit?

Oh. No.

Poorest use of the race card I've ever seen. EVER.