THE WENGER THREAD

As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
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DB10GOONER wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:Mon Deiu !!! :shock:

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Got shyte faced on Brains Black and Tequila last night - and had some good banter and chat with 2 other football fans, one a Toffee, the other an Aston Villa fan and we were talking about the changes in Football over the last 20 years or so, and we got onto the changes within our own clubs and to football itself recently...and from those conversations and arguments) btw: One thought Wenger should go, the other thought he should stay !

I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts...

When we signed Ozil at the thirteenth hour last season - I was "flabberghasted" - as I had already resigned myself to the situation with my team and club being managed (and controlled at all levels) by a manager who was not going to sign anyone of note because it didn't fit in with his doctrine.
When that signing happened - i actually thought 'wenger has woken up' - he has seen the error of his ways and things are going to change and improve for the better.
Then as the season wore on and the leaks of his being made to sign Ozil started to filter out, I realised nothing had or would change as long as he (AND the present Owner/CEO/Board/Structure is in charge. But I think Wenger needs to go, so when the Owner and Board get a manager who demands to spend, then that can filter upwards instead of their shyte always filtering down onto us.

So like most peeps I come on this thread already knowing we are not going to sign the players that are needed if we are to realistically challenge for the Prem and/or Cl Cup. And we mostly have a laugh etc, so why is it I still 'hope' (beyond hope) that we might actually sign someone of note a "World Class Striker"?

But there is something I no longer have ANY hope for, because I know with 100% of my being that The Arsenal I knew as a child , through my teens and onwards IS GONE.... and will NEVER be the same again - Okay, that's part of how it goes in all sphere's of life as it unfolds - things, politics, people, friends, families, cultures etc all change, but I have seen The Arsenal become "The Personal Chess Set" of a man who having worked miracles on his arrival - seems to have allowed those initial successes to go to his head (his ego is now out of control) and having positioned himself in an untouchable position within the club, has allowed him to be part of something that has changed the club's - Character and Soul - with the changes in the boardroom, the arrival of an American Owner - who was at first vilified and was described as being '(that sort) "Not being welcome at our club" - who being involved purely for financial game, (at least Abramovich is a football fan) - was given the thumb's up by Wenger - because he was first and foremost for profit even at the cost of winning trophies.

Yes, all Top Football Club's Need Money, But, the best and most efficient way to achieve Profit is to be successful - Success brings, trophies, reputation, the best players, more trophies, more profit, a bigger share of all the other profit related marketing brands and strategies and so on and so on

Which is why I honestly believe that having now achieved the move from a limited (though dearly missed) Highbury to a new Ground, the club have now made those initial financial measures and constraints put in place to see the change of ground succeed, the 'rule of thumb' even though there is no longer any need for such stringent financial measures.


The way the club is now being run has also meant that THE Arsenal is gradually becoming just another club in the sense of it being a brand name in football/sport and is that distinction it once had and for want of a better term I think it is 'Losing its "Class" ', and that is something I cannot forgive.

The Beautiful Game - in the truest sense of the word - no longer exists - not just because of the Money Making machine it has now become, which in turn, turns players heads, beliefs, morals, which has exacerbated and perpetuated the cheating and diving, dis-respect for officials, the fans, the club. Players kissing the badge one week and selling their souls and shirts for more money the next, all of which contributes to Football becoming just another sport, and how those Football Clubs once renowned for being a Class above the others, being perceived as noting more than a Business within a Sport, and so with it their "Class".

And whilst all clubs with any sense of history and tradition face a real battle to maintain their identity (not corporate) and those roots that gave them that sense of distinction - (Class), because of the New World Order, which governs (strangles) the world by Money and Financial Profit. I (sadly) see the "Class" that was a by-word of Arsenal (The Arsenal) - being gradually tarnished and so slipping away.
I don't know about any of you Gooners, but right from when I first realised I 'Loved Arsenal', when I understood we weren't (just) Arsenal, but THE Arsenal, I automatically thought of us as being a "Class" act. When I thought of Arsenal I thought of "Class".

I say this because I think part a contributing factor to how our "Class" feels less like it once did, is also to do with all the in fighting between Arsenal fans - yes, there will always be differences of opinion on players, formations, etc etc, but I have never ever known the polarisation between fans ( so called AKB's and WOB's) be so extreme - to the point of fighting amongst our own kind - even amongst those caught in the middle, who because of their love and devotion to their club, feel somewhat lost and overwhelmed.

I recently had a conversation with a friend of my older brother - they used to go to Highbury together through the 60's, 70's and 80's. And he said 'It always used to feel like "family" - if he ever bother going these days (when he can afford it) he said 'I almost feel like I cannot say what i really feel because the person next to me might start a fight or report me to a steward' - also 'the players love the money and fame first, more than the game itself'.

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* *Class = showing stylish excellence, being of a particular kind that is anything but ordinary

Fucking hell, why is it those taller than me (that's everyone in the world) write alot! I got as far as "I had a few (Tequila influenced) thoughts..." and then I just went and had a poo. :roll:

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Comes back from world cup the then goes on a two week holiday waterslides included then comes back for the emirates cup champions league qualifier and charity sheild then bemoans he didnt have enough time to sign players

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three more years of stagnation, excuses and failure (dressed up as success) :twisted:

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WENGER IN !!!! :lol: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:

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OneBardGooner wrote:WENGER IN !!!! :lol: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:
Absolutely :wink:

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afcforever wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:WENGER IN !!!! :lol: :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:
Absolutely :wink:

Ooooops! :oops: I meant Wenger OUT! :barscarf:

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Hi I previously had an account as Justin-AFC but forget my password and no longer use that email address. Anywho it's good to be back and I feel this is the best topic to start with (please excuse the essay).

From what I can see on this forum, posters can be seperated into 3 categories; those who love Arsene and want him to stay, does who like/have liked Arsene but feel it is time for him to step aside and those who simply hate him and feel the sooner he f**ks off the better. I must say I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinion regardless if I agree or not.

Personally I am seperated between the first 2 on the list.

On the 1 hand Arsene is the revolutionary who took over in the 90s and controls the club incredibly in terms of finance and does things in his own way. I am also encouraged by the recent FA Cup win. Also on 1 hand not signing Cesc back shows amazing loyalty to the current squad, on the likes of Ozil, Ramsey, Jack, Ox, etc. From watching interviews with the likes of Vieira, Bergkamp and Henry it is evident that his player loyalty had benefitted us in the past. This is basically doing things in the way they are suppose to be done and in line with the old motto "forward".

However on the other hand the I am not a supporter of financial accounts I am a football fan who wants to see our club lifting trophies and competing at the highest level. What he has done financially is nothing short of amazing but at what cost? I live in Ireland in a place that is dominated by Liverpool and Man United fans. They see us a feeder club. I personally find that difficult to argue with. Fabregas, Van Persie, Ashley Cole, Flamini, Hleb, Nasri, Alex Song, Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Bacary Sagna, all players that were sold in their prime and in most cases strengthened our closest competition. The same could be set to happen with Santi Cazorla. This makes it impossible to be competitive and makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know how I feel about the Fabregas to Chelsea transfer. In fact it somes up how I feel about Wenger. Tremendous player loyalty but it's not getting the best out of the team on the pitch. The players above would easily have made us more competitive throughout the last few seasons then we have been.

Our lack of spending is a constant cause for concern as it is necessary to compete in the modern game however he keeps making decent signings and we remaining in top 4 thus saving his skin in terms of the fans. I personally feel 4th place is not a trophy and is not good enough for a club the size of ours. Wenger is not blameless in all of this as in my opinion the board are just as happy as Wenger is and I don't see a change in policy fourthcoming.

I suppose what I am trying to say is I like Wenger as a manager and a coach but we have to stop selling our best players to anybody never mind our rivals as it impedes devolopment and we will be in transition forever. What he has done while paying off the stadium etc is amazing but it's time for a change in policy and a little more ambition, if not it's time for a change in manager and even a change in ownership. He is risking ruining the amazing legacy he has built as he will be judged on trophies not financial accounts.

I'm not saying do a Leeds, I'm just saying do what we have to do to compete without going bust. The fans are Arsenal not some cognac sipping, cigar puffing greedy c**ts in suits. He should aim to please us, not them.

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JustinTheGooner wrote:Hi I previously had an account as Justin-AFC but forget my password and no longer use that email address. Anywho it's good to be back and I feel this is the best topic to start with (please excuse the essay).

From what I can see on this forum, posters can be seperated into 3 categories; those who love Arsene and want him to stay, does who like/have liked Arsene but feel it is time for him to step aside and those who simply hate him and feel the sooner he f**ks off the better. I must say I have enjoyed reading everyone's opinion regardless if I agree or not.

Personally I am seperated between the first 2 on the list.

On the 1 hand Arsene is the revolutionary who took over in the 90s and controls the club incredibly in terms of finance and does things in his own way. I am also encouraged by the recent FA Cup win. Also on 1 hand not signing Cesc back shows amazing loyalty to the current squad, on the likes of Ozil, Ramsey, Jack, Ox, etc. From watching interviews with the likes of Vieira, Bergkamp and Henry it is evident that his player loyalty had benefitted us in the past. This is basically doing things in the way they are suppose to be done and in line with the old motto "forward".

However on the other hand the I am not a supporter of financial accounts I am a football fan who wants to see our club lifting trophies and competing at the highest level. What he has done financially is nothing short of amazing but at what cost? I live in Ireland in a place that is dominated by Liverpool and Man United fans. They see us a feeder club. I personally find that difficult to argue with. Fabregas, Van Persie, Ashley Cole, Flamini, Hleb, Nasri, Alex Song, Adebayor, Kolo Toure, Bacary Sagna, all players that were sold in their prime and in most cases strengthened our closest competition. The same could be set to happen with Santi Cazorla. This makes it impossible to be competitive and makes me sick to my stomach. I don't know how I feel about the Fabregas to Chelsea transfer. In fact it somes up how I feel about Wenger. Tremendous player loyalty but it's not getting the best out of the team on the pitch. The players above would easily have made us more competitive throughout the last few seasons then we have been.

Our lack of spending is a constant cause for concern as it is necessary to compete in the modern game however he keeps making decent signings and we remaining in top 4 thus saving his skin in terms of the fans. I personally feel 4th place is not a trophy and is not good enough for a club the size of ours. Wenger is not blameless in all of this as in my opinion the board are just as happy as Wenger is and I don't see a change in policy fourthcoming.

I suppose what I am trying to say is I like Wenger as a manager and a coach but we have to stop selling our best players to anybody never mind our rivals as it impedes devolopment and we will be in transition forever. What he has done while paying off the stadium etc is amazing but it's time for a change in policy and a little more ambition, if not it's time for a change in manager and even a change in ownership. He is risking ruining the amazing legacy he has built as he will be judged on trophies not financial accounts.

I'm not saying do a Leeds, I'm just saying do what we have to do to compete without going bust. The fans are Arsenal not some cognac sipping, cigar puffing greedy c**ts in suits. He should aim to please us, not them.
1. That's not an essay...If you want an example of an essay (on this forum) read anything by USMartin.

2. Get off the fence yer chicken! :lol: :wink:

3. Welcome back dude!

4. Give it time and you WILL see the Light and Come Over To The DARK SIDE!

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welcome back Justin - a good post that, even though you are a bit too over tolerant of Wenger :wink:

I agree with you about the board though - they are just as to blame as Wenger. I went through a period a couple of years ago thinking that they were the main problem, and not Wenger. Then during the past 2 years I have increasingly thought that Wenger was the biggest problem, but right now I can't split them. They are both :censored: of the highest order. Basically the only way Wenger or indeed his eventual successor will achieve success is if there is more ambition shown at board level. Currently there is none. 4th place is the height of ambition and has been since we moved to the Emirates.

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Gooners are split into 3 different groups -

1. Those that are bent over and have wenker's cock up their shitter

2. Those who have wenker's cock in their mouths

3. Us Enlightened One's who can see wenker for the outdated, egotistical, self serving c.unt that he is and want him out of our club now 8)

What group did you say you were in again ? :wink: :lol: :barscarf:

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augie wrote:Gooners are split into 3 different groups -

1. Those that are bent over and have wenker's cock up their shitter

2. Those who have wenker's cock in their mouths

3. Us Enlightened One's who can see wenker for the outdated, egotistical, self serving c.unt that he is and want him out of our club now 8)

What group did you say you were in again ? :wink: :lol: :barscarf:
In short, who are the :censored: and heterosexual here?

Edited by Chippy. No need for that nasty word.

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defleppardisking wrote:
augie wrote:Gooners are split into 3 different groups -

1. Those that are bent over and have wenker's cock up their shitter

2. Those who have wenker's cock in their mouths

3. Us Enlightened One's who can see wenker for the outdated, egotistical, self serving c.unt that he is and want him out of our club now 8)

What group did you say you were in again ? :wink: :lol: :barscarf:
In short, who are the :censored: and heterosexual here?

Edited by Chippy. No need for that nasty word.

:shock: :shock: :shock:



What word did you use dfl ? was it WengerLover ? ? ? :shock:

btw; Is it true all AKB's eat Faggots and Peas? :mrgreen:

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ps: If that's true they need to visit the Buttered Toast Thread in the Basement (Cannons) 8) and come over - to the dark side and be enlightened :wink:

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defleppardisking wrote:
augie wrote:Gooners are split into 3 different groups -

1. Those that are bent over and have wenker's cock up their shitter

2. Those who have wenker's cock in their mouths

3. Us Enlightened One's who can see wenker for the outdated, egotistical, self serving c.unt that he is and want him out of our club now 8)

What group did you say you were in again ? :wink: :lol: :barscarf:
In short, who are the :censored: and heterosexual here?

Edited by Chippy. No need for that nasty word.
Bit Ham fisted there Chippy, make no bones about it :shock:

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Theoperator wrote:
defleppardisking wrote:
augie wrote:Gooners are split into 3 different groups -

1. Those that are bent over and have wenker's cock up their shitter

2. Those who have wenker's cock in their mouths

3. Us Enlightened One's who can see wenker for the outdated, egotistical, self serving c.unt that he is and want him out of our club now 8)

What group did you say you were in again ? :wink: :lol: :barscarf:
In short, who are the :censored: and heterosexual here?

Edited by Chippy. No need for that nasty word.
Bit Ham fisted there Chippy, make no bones about it :shock:
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