As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:I do think it's time to look at the possibility of selling him. He isn't going to progress any further by the look of it. Plus the fact he goes down like a fucking tart every time he's kicked and its a standard 6\9 weeks out with a broken vagina.
As much as I disagree with sid's assessment that Jack is shite I do agree that he is a total pussy on the pitch nowdays. And as much as it makes me sick to agree with an Ubercunt like Scholes, he's right - Jack hasn't progressed or developed like we all thought he would.
BUT - he is still young enough. So I wouldn't sell him yet.
But I'd have a word about the diving and breaking his vagina!
He is supposed to be this hard man with this attitude:
However when he is tackled he goes down like a screaming bitch and its embarrassing.
Man up!
That top photo reminds me of when I met Lefty and he had to look up at my towering 4'8"!!
That's more truthful!!!
And if it was true, it would still give me 8 inches over you!
Jack's thickness on and off the pitch is what has stifled his talent.
On the pitch, the thick *word censored* can't help hanging onto the ball too long and ultimately runs into brickwalls. Hardly ever comes out unscathed too.
Off the pitch, his chav disposition sees him continuously drawing the wrong headlines. Always doing some brainless shit and getting caught on camera.
Tbh wouldn't bother me if we sold him,like others said I get pissed of with his constant falling over and whingeing, running down blind alleys,I know he's suffered with injuries over the last few seasons but doesn't seem to be improving unless there is Ramsey like improvement in the coming season.Definitely wouldn't be in my starting 11.
You look at his (rare) goal celebrations and he's a man possessed with the constant fist clenches and screaming.
He's gonna prove his critics wrong but why on earth are us, not me obviously ,are on his backs when we know what he's capable of. We should all be supporting him for this oncoming big season and if he flops then fair play yous lot were right all along.
But support the lad in what is a difficult time in his small career so far.
I think a lot of people are overlooking his injuries. I hardly shirk on criticising him but missing a whole season out injured in 2011/12 was massive. Since then he's been injured half the time and probably playing through niggly injuries the other half.
I'm not saying it completely justifies his lack of progress - it doesn't and if anything he has gone backwards - but you can't honestly say it's not been a major factor.
mcdowell42 wrote:Tbh wouldn't bother me if we sold him,like others said I get pissed of with his constant falling over and whingeing, running down blind alleys,I know he's suffered with injuries over the last few seasons but doesn't seem to be improving unless there is Ramsey like improvement in the coming season.Definitely wouldn't be in my starting 11.
Let's sell anyone that isn't in our starting eleven, brilliant.
mcdowell42 wrote:I hope he proves me wrong, Ramsey certainly proved alot of us wrong last season.Who knows maybe Jack will too but not holding my breath
This ^^. I too was proven very wrong about Ramsey and was delighted! I'd add that I always qualified my criticism of Ramsey by admitting he had talent and potential but I never thought he'd bring that talent to fruition because of his very poor form and bad decision making and endless attempted backheels.
I'd love to be proven very wrong about Jack too. But unless he makes major changes in many areas I can't see how he's going to get much better than he is, and that's not good enough for the PL. He needs to quit smoking, quit Twatter, hit the gym and man up.
I'd also qualify the Ramsey thing by stating he actually only had a half season or so of brilliance and tbh the jury is still out on him a bit for me. Yeah, I know the injury fucked his season and that's fair enough, but I do wonder could he have maintained that level of performance for the whole season if he'd stayed fit? If he can deliver that level for a whole season (or two!) then I'd be very very impressed.
Both Jack and Rambo have the technical ability, but that isn't enough to make it at the top. You also need the psychological strength, raw hunger & ambition, drive and strength of character too.
Rambo kicked on much to my delight. I thought he was two bob and a lot of his performances prior last season were abysmal but he ended up kicking on, having a fantastic season last year and ultimately scoring the winning goal in the FA Cup final
I don't see Jack kicking on like that. I don't think he has the same attitude as Rambo. I don't think a bad performance will spur him on to do better than it would/should. That's fine if that's the case and also I could be wrong, I don't know the lad, but if that is the case either Wenger needs to get on his case more, drop him as a starter or sell him.
There are better players in his position out there who are more than attainable.
mcdowell42 wrote:I hope he proves me wrong, Ramsey certainly proved alot of us wrong last season.Who knows maybe Jack will too but not holding my breath
This ^^. I too was proven very wrong about Ramsey and was delighted! I'd add that I always qualified my criticism of Ramsey by admitting he had talent and potential but I never thought he'd bring that talent to fruition because of his very poor form and bad decision making and endless attempted backheels.
I'd love to be proven very wrong about Jack too. But unless he makes major changes in many areas I can't see how he's going to get much better than he is, and that's not good enough for the PL. He needs to quit smoking, quit Twatter, hit the gym and man up.
I'd also qualify the Ramsey thing by stating he actually only had a half season or so of brilliance and tbh the jury is still out on him a bit for me. Yeah, I know the injury fucked his season and that's fair enough, but I do wonder could he have maintained that level of performance for the whole season if he'd stayed fit? If he can deliver that level for a whole season (or two!) then I'd be very very impressed.
Both Jack and Rambo have the technical ability, but that isn't enough to make it at the top. You also need the psychological strength, raw hunger & ambition, drive and strength of character too.
mcdowell42 wrote:I hope he proves me wrong, Ramsey certainly proved alot of us wrong last season.Who knows maybe Jack will too but not holding my breath
This ^^. I too was proven very wrong about Ramsey and was delighted! I'd add that I always qualified my criticism of Ramsey by admitting he had talent and potential but I never thought he'd bring that talent to fruition because of his very poor form and bad decision making and endless attempted backheels.
I'd love to be proven very wrong about Jack too. But unless he makes major changes in many areas I can't see how he's going to get much better than he is, and that's not good enough for the PL. He needs to quit smoking, quit Twatter, hit the gym and man up.
I'd also qualify the Ramsey thing by stating he actually only had a half season or so of brilliance and tbh the jury is still out on him a bit for me. Yeah, I know the injury fucked his season and that's fair enough, but I do wonder could he have maintained that level of performance for the whole season if he'd stayed fit? If he can deliver that level for a whole season (or two!) then I'd be very very impressed.
Both Jack and Rambo have the technical ability, but that isn't enough to make it at the top. You also need the psychological strength, raw hunger & ambition, drive and strength of character too.
mcdowell42 wrote:I hope he proves me wrong, Ramsey certainly proved alot of us wrong last season.Who knows maybe Jack will too but not holding my breath
This ^^. I too was proven very wrong about Ramsey and was delighted! I'd add that I always qualified my criticism of Ramsey by admitting he had talent and potential but I never thought he'd bring that talent to fruition because of his very poor form and bad decision making and endless attempted backheels.
I'd love to be proven very wrong about Jack too. But unless he makes major changes in many areas I can't see how he's going to get much better than he is, and that's not good enough for the PL. He needs to quit smoking, quit Twatter, hit the gym and man up.
I'd also qualify the Ramsey thing by stating he actually only had a half season or so of brilliance and tbh the jury is still out on him a bit for me. Yeah, I know the injury fucked his season and that's fair enough, but I do wonder could he have maintained that level of performance for the whole season if he'd stayed fit? If he can deliver that level for a whole season (or two!) then I'd be very very impressed.
Both Jack and Rambo have the technical ability, but that isn't enough to make it at the top. You also need the psychological strength, raw hunger & ambition, drive and strength of character too.
Ultimatum94 wrote:You look at him play and you know he's talented.
You look at him play and you know he's committed.
You look at his (rare) goal celebrations and he's a man possessed with the constant fist clenches and screaming.
He's gonna prove his critics wrong but why on earth are us, not me obviously ,are on his backs when we know what he's capable of. We should all be supporting him for this oncoming big season and if he flops then fair play yous lot were right all along.
But support the lad in what is a difficult time in his small career so far.
The difference with Rambo is, I believe that the Ozil signing had a HUGE effect on him and his performances reflected this.
They have a great connection on the pitch and seem to be on the same wavelength, looking for eachother for a pass or giving options. They work very well together imo.
Jack doesnt seem to have moved on at all, still running into trouble, falling over and whinging too much. Hope he can do better and really should knock the smoking on the head.
I do agree that he is a total pussy on the pitch nowdays. And as much as it makes me sick to agree with an Ubercunt like Scholes, he's right - Jack hasn't progressed or developed like we all thought he would.
