THE WENGER THREAD

[Humoresque]

I think Wenger has earned a stay of execution of at least one year by winning the Fa Cup last season (from the fans, the board will never fire him). I'm not sure whether that is a good or bad thing.

Last season was so frustrating as we were able to beat all the teams below us, but completely fell apart in the big away games. For that reason, I think this season should be Wengers last chance to try and win the title.

We have the best squad I can remember for quite a few years (all the wasters like Santos, Denilson, Bentdner all gone now) if Wenger cannot get the best out of them this season, then he should stand aside for someone who can.

That's my two cents anyway.

Wigan and Portsmouth won it recently and West Ham made the finals, even Everton recently too.

for as big a club as Arsenal seems to be over the last 10 years, with high ticket prices, one of the top 10 most valuable global teams I expect more than a pseudo 4th place finish being the goal.

[nut flush gooner]

Wenger seems more relaxed and positive, hopefully this will transpose to the team.

He comes off pretty badly in the press a lot of the time but when he mugs somebody off in his quiet, unassuming manner like he did with Gerrard today it's brilliant.

I noticed that too, Wenger when he first came to the club was a cool, calm and collected geezer. As the strain of going many years without a trophy took its toll, I actually thought as some stage he would just flip his lid and end up in a straight jacket at some mental home.

This whole Wenger out thread, and that's what it has become (because if you are pro wenger you get vilified even if you come out with something thought out and constructive) kind of makes me sick, the way people come out with some plain nasty shit about the manager.

There are many reasons that we went so long without a trophy, some of them are Wenger's fault, some of them are not.

I don't really rate any of the teams that finished above us last year. Perhaps Chelsea are the team to beat now, but given what we have done in the transfer market so far there's no reason to fear anyone. Ramsey was a revelation last season, this season it's time for Jack with all his raw talent to start making his mark. That's even before we start talking about our new signings and what may follow before the end of this month.

I just don't get how miserable/negative some other gooners are. We should be looking forward to the season for the first time in years rather than continually taking pot shots at Wenger. Speaking of Wenger, he did look very relaxed yesterday in his press conference. That can only be good for the team when they see a manager at ease with himself.

[1989]

The FA Cup win has done wonders for Wengs. Given him a new lease of life.

[augie]

The FA Cup win has done wonders for Wengs. Given him a new lease of life.

Ban him.....this "wengs" bullshit is worse than the "chambo" crap the other day

[OneBardGooner]

The FA Cup win has done wonders for Wengs. Given him a new lease of life.

Ban him.....this "wengs" bullshit is worse than the "chambo" crap the other day

OBG agrees with Augie on this one....No Chambs and No feckin' Wengs ever, EVER again...Please.


Wenger - Yes

Le Cock - Yes

Le Prof - Yes

Wenker - Yes


Inspector Clueless - Yes


Le Cunto - Yes


But Wenks!?

[augie]

Wenger seems more relaxed and positive, hopefully this will transpose to the team.

He comes off pretty badly in the press a lot of the time but when he mugs somebody off in his quiet, unassuming manner like he did with Gerrard today it's brilliant.

I noticed that too, Wenger when he first came to the club was a cool, calm and collected geezer. As the strain of going many years without a trophy took its toll, I actually thought as some stage he would just flip his lid and end up in a straight jacket at some mental home.

This whole Wenger out thread, and that's what it has become (because if you are pro wenger you get vilified even if you come out with something thought out and constructive) kind of makes me sick, the way people come out with some plain nasty shit about the manager.

There are many reasons that we went so long without a trophy, some of them are Wenger's fault, some of them are not.

I don't really rate any of the teams that finished above us last year. Perhaps Chelsea are the team to beat now, but given what we have done in the transfer market so far there's no reason to fear anyone. Ramsey was a revelation last season, this season it's time for Jack with all his raw talent to start making his mark. That's even before we start talking about our new signings and what may follow before the end of this month.

I just don't get how miserable/negative some other gooners are. We should be looking forward to the season for the first time in years rather than continually taking pot shots at Wenger. Speaking of Wenger, he did look very relaxed yesterday in his press conference. That can only be good for the team when they see a manager at ease with himself.

And if he had of been appointed manager 6 years ago those issues which were his fault would have seen his employment terminated and no sane person could argue otherwise. Wenkers faults and mistakes were so blatantly obvious that stevie wonder could see them - you can take away the transfer budget issue if you like but what you are left with is a manager that has been turned over tactically by so many managers (of poor teams much less good teams ) and a manager that was handing out bumper contracts to players who were not even fit to wear the shirt of our proud club
The man is still an intolerable c*nt imo and, while some are creaming themselves over him this summer, I have yet to see the proof that the man has changed his ways and recognised his and the teams weaknesses

[nut flush gooner]

Wenger seems more relaxed and positive, hopefully this will transpose to the team.

He comes off pretty badly in the press a lot of the time but when he mugs somebody off in his quiet, unassuming manner like he did with Gerrard today it's brilliant.

I noticed that too, Wenger when he first came to the club was a cool, calm and collected geezer. As the strain of going many years without a trophy took its toll, I actually thought as some stage he would just flip his lid and end up in a straight jacket at some mental home.

This whole Wenger out thread, and that's what it has become (because if you are pro wenger you get vilified even if you come out with something thought out and constructive) kind of makes me sick, the way people come out with some plain nasty shit about the manager.

There are many reasons that we went so long without a trophy, some of them are Wenger's fault, some of them are not.

I don't really rate any of the teams that finished above us last year. Perhaps Chelsea are the team to beat now, but given what we have done in the transfer market so far there's no reason to fear anyone. Ramsey was a revelation last season, this season it's time for Jack with all his raw talent to start making his mark. That's even before we start talking about our new signings and what may follow before the end of this month.

I just don't get how miserable/negative some other gooners are. We should be looking forward to the season for the first time in years rather than continually taking pot shots at Wenger. Speaking of Wenger, he did look very relaxed yesterday in his press conference. That can only be good for the team when they see a manager at ease with himself.

And if he had of been appointed manager 6 years ago those issues which were his fault would have seen his employment terminated and no sane person could argue otherwise. Wenkers faults and mistakes were so blatantly obvious that stevie wonder could see them - you can take away the transfer budget issue if you like but what you are left with is a manager that has been turned over tactically by so many managers (of poor teams much less good teams ) and a manager that was handing out bumper contracts to players who were not even fit to wear the shirt of our proud club
The man is still an intolerable c*nt imo and, while some are creaming themselves over him this summer, I have yet to see the proof that the man has changed his ways and recognised his and the teams weaknesses

I rest my case, not a lot more to add to my initial point tbh. Back into the real world for the rest of the day, this forum is unbelievable at times.

[augie]

Nutflush do you disagree with the suggestion that, had he only been appointed manager 6 years ago then he would have been sacked before now ? His past successes (9 years ago) allowed him much more leeway from the club and fans like you than he was entitled to and I would bet my life on the fact that you would have been calling for his head long before now were it not for those ancient successes. At least twice in latter years the man himself said that if we were not contesting for the main trophies within 2 years then he would walk away, but yet he never has - he has continually put his own personal pride and agenda ahead of the good of the club but I suppose the fact that we stumbled past wigan and hull, your loyalty has been vindicated right ?

[afcforever]

Definately for, things are looking good

[Theoperator]

whatever else our views on him I loved what he did with Stevie Me today.

Did he kick him in the bollocks

Just a verbal kicking of the highest order- great to hear.
NB123 is spot on there was a nasty smell of everything being unfair in Wengers garden and it seemed to rub off on the players. Im hopeful that the FA cup win may have changed him a little from it all being unfair to presiding over the sort of teams we used to have and play like in the early 2000s

I really hope my optimism isnt yet again misplaced

[Ultimatum94]

The FA Cup win has done wonders for Wengs. Given him a new lease of life.

Ban him.....this "wengs" bullshit is worse than the "chambo" crap the other day

[nut flush gooner]

Wenger seems more relaxed and positive, hopefully this will transpose to the team.

He comes off pretty badly in the press a lot of the time but when he mugs somebody off in his quiet, unassuming manner like he did with Gerrard today it's brilliant.

I noticed that too, Wenger when he first came to the club was a cool, calm and collected geezer. As the strain of going many years without a trophy took its toll, I actually thought as some stage he would just flip his lid and end up in a straight jacket at some mental home.

This whole Wenger out thread, and that's what it has become (because if you are pro wenger you get vilified even if you come out with something thought out and constructive) kind of makes me sick, the way people come out with some plain nasty shit about the manager.

There are many reasons that we went so long without a trophy, some of them are Wenger's fault, some of them are not.

I don't really rate any of the teams that finished above us last year. Perhaps Chelsea are the team to beat now, but given what we have done in the transfer market so far there's no reason to fear anyone. Ramsey was a revelation last season, this season it's time for Jack with all his raw talent to start making his mark. That's even before we start talking about our new signings and what may follow before the end of this month.

I just don't get how miserable/negative some other gooners are. We should be looking forward to the season for the first time in years rather than continually taking pot shots at Wenger. Speaking of Wenger, he did look very relaxed yesterday in his press conference. That can only be good for the team when they see a manager at ease with himself.

And if he had of been appointed manager 6 years ago those issues which were his fault would have seen his employment terminated and no sane person could argue otherwise. Wenkers faults and mistakes were so blatantly obvious that stevie wonder could see them - you can take away the transfer budget issue if you like but what you are left with is a manager that has been turned over tactically by so many managers (of poor teams much less good teams ) and a manager that was handing out bumper contracts to players who were not even fit to wear the shirt of our proud club
The man is still an intolerable c*nt imo and, while some are creaming themselves over him this summer, I have yet to see the proof that the man has changed his ways and recognised his and the teams weaknesses

That's not really my point tbh. It's more the shocking lack of respect you and other posters have for another human being. Some of the stuff said is shocking, who needs enemies ehhh ???

If you blanked out the word wenger and arsenal from this thread, you would have thought we where talking about something to do with the spuds given the vitriole and pure hatred that eminates from the regs on this forum.

[Dodgyknee71]

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That's not really my point tbh. It's more the shocking lack of respect .[/quote]

This^

[markmark64]

i totally agree with the sentiment of being rude to a degree of stupidity with arsene wenger,it is stupid,Im totally in agreement with Augie that if he had been employed over the last 6 years that he would have been sacked by now.A lot of it is done by the lynch mob mentality which now is slightly changing along with our slight change in fortune and will continue to slightly change depending which way we go.I personally think along with most on here that the manager wont change his tactical ways and we will be found out in Europe and ,hopefully not, in the league.It certainly isnt wengers fault that we have arrived at this position.He has been offered millions to reach a mediocrity from the standards he had us accustomed to before.We are now stuck with him for 3 more years.Perhaps the mods on here could employ an anger management pay as you go psycologist,which will likely be called into use before september.Ultimately i hope we can score more goals than who we play and can play with out looking clueless in Europe against the big fish and sometimes against the minnows.

[Humoresque]

Wigan and Portsmouth won the FA cup recently and West Ham made the finals, even Everton recently too.

for as big a club as Arsenal seems to be over the last 10 years, with high ticket prices, one of the top 10 most valuable global teams I expect more than a pseudo 4th place finish being the goal.