THE WENGER THREAD

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OneBardGooner wrote:
augie wrote:
1989 wrote:The FA Cup win has done wonders for Wengs. Given him a new lease of life.


Ban him.....this "wengs" bullshit is worse than the "chambo" crap the other day :lol:
OBG agrees with Augie on this one....No Chambs and No feckin' Wengs ever, EVER again...Please. :?


Wenger - Yes

Le Cock - Yes

Le Prof - Yes

Wenker - Yes


Inspector Clueless - Yes


Le Cunto - Yes


But Wenks!? Image
I think le bumhole deserves an honourable mention 8) still 100% against :barscarf:

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falkirk goon wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:
augie wrote:
1989 wrote:The FA Cup win has done wonders for Wengs. Given him a new lease of life.


Ban him.....this "wengs" bullshit is worse than the "chambo" crap the other day :lol:
OBG agrees with Augie on this one....No Chambs and No feckin' Wengs ever, EVER again...Please. :?


Wenger - Yes

Le Cock - Yes

Le Prof - Yes

Wenker - Yes


Inspector Clueless - Yes


Le Cunto - Yes


But Wenks!? Image
I think le bumhole deserves an honourable mention 8) still 100% against :barscarf:
I'm not an AKB by any means but Le Cunto is a step too far. Regardless of recent faults this is still the guy that transformed the club. He deserves much more respect than that even if you don't think he should be the manager anymore. Unless of course you're happy to be called falkirk cunto and onebardcunto from now on!

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I take it le cock is all right ? I certainly have no problem being called "le grande cock augie" 8) :roll: :lol:

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augie wrote:I take it le cock is all right ? I certainly have no problem being called "le grande cock augie" 8) :roll: :lol:
You wish :lol: :lol:

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Spudmasher suddenly getting all loveydovey over wenger! :shock:

Why is it that when a post is done 'tongue in cheek'(oooh err missus) there's always someone who get's all PMT like a right tart and starts wagging their finger saying you shouldn't say that or this or whatever...fer fecks sake - get a feckin life or a sense of humour you twats.

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Onebardcunto :wink:


I'm not getting all lovey dovey over him at all mate. I am as aware of his recent shortcomings as much as the next man and have been infuriated by some of what has gone before. I just think that calling him a *word censored*, in any manner, is massively disrespectful to a man that not only changed our club but probably changed the philosophy of professional football across Europe if not the world.

Regardless of what anyone may think of his managerial skills (or lack thereof) over the last 8 years he remains Arsenals most successful ever manager and deserves some respect for that. Remember that this is the same man who brought you an invincible season.

At the end of last season I wanted nothing more than to see him head out of the door with a thank you and to get some new blood in. I feared another protracted summer with loads of rumour but no signings until the final day panic which results in buying shite for too much. That isn't happening though and maybe he has either learned his lesson and is adapting or the funds are actually truly there this year as opposed to the shite spouted by the board of directors every year. On that basis I'm willing to give him another chance this year. If he fucks it up now, with the quality players he has bought, then he has no more excuses and should go.

I guess we'll never know the truth about the financial restrictions/board relations etc. as I cannot see him ever spilling the beans about Arsenal in an autobiography like Ferguscum. He has too much class for that. I do think we'll hear lots about other clubs shenanigans but not about our own.

So on that basis I don't like people calling him a *word censored* and think that those who do should fuck off down to N17 where that type of thing is common place.

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Agreed. Even though I think he is fucking stubborn, has his shortcomings, talk crap nowadays and screw up for the past 8 seasons, I will never ever call him le cunto or names like that. That's too much no matter how much you dislike him and want him to leave

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SPUDMASHER wrote:Onebardcunto :wink:


I'm not getting all lovey dovey over him at all mate. I am as aware of his recent shortcomings as much as the next man and have been infuriated by some of what has gone before. I just think that calling him a *word censored*, in any manner, is massively disrespectful to a man that not only changed our club but probably changed the philosophy of professional football across Europe if not the world.

Regardless of what anyone may think of his managerial skills (or lack thereof) over the last 8 years he remains Arsenals most successful ever manager and deserves some respect for that. Remember that this is the same man who brought you an invincible season.

At the end of last season I wanted nothing more than to see him head out of the door with a thank you and to get some new blood in. I feared another protracted summer with loads of rumour but no signings until the final day panic which results in buying shite for too much. That isn't happening though and maybe he has either learned his lesson and is adapting or the funds are actually truly there this year as opposed to the shite spouted by the board of directors every year. On that basis I'm willing to give him another chance this year. If he fucks it up now, with the quality players he has bought, then he has no more excuses and should go.

I guess we'll never know the truth about the financial restrictions/board relations etc. as I cannot see him ever spilling the beans about Arsenal in an autobiography like Ferguscum. He has too much class for that. I do think we'll hear lots about other clubs shenanigans but not about our own.

So on that basis I don't like people calling him a *word censored* and think that those who do should fuck off down to N17 where that type of thing is common place.
Agree with most of what you say...spudmasher goat muncher :wink: but you still missed the point of what I was trying to say

I have heard AW be called a lot LOT worse..... and as you will have observed I did NOT call him a *word censored* I used the term le cunto - along with a number of other names that people have adopted over the last 6 - 7 years of utter frustration - one might think of it as a term of affection in that it was (and I state this yet again! :roll: :roll: :roll: ) it was said in jest......unless of course you are seriously offended...then all I can say is - you need to go through every single thread on this forum that relates to wenger and take it up with every single Gooner (or non- Goonner :wink: ) and set yourself up as the moral bottom line...either that or stop acting like you hold some higher moral ground.. :D :wink: ...If another teams fans call him names I stand up for him - because he is ours - But as he is ours I have a right to make fun - something you seem to have chosen not to register - besides if there is serious name calling to be done - we can leave that to DB10 as he has a whole lexicon of perfect insults - as you well know....goat muncher! :wink:

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If you knew me you'd know I could never pass myself off as a moral bastion of any nature. I'm about as far removed from it as anyone could be.
I just think that a lot of the piss taking names for him are just that, piss taking, and I'm fine with that. I happen to dislike him being called '*word censored*' or any manifestation of it as it is disrespectful to a man that doesn't deserve it. That's all it is, nothing more.

There are times when I personally would willingly knock him out cold. Those times are during the heat of the moment when my frustrations at some of his bizarre decision making get the better of me. Outside of those times I don't hold any vitriol towards him because, although often misguided or wrong, I do think he believes he is doing what is best for the club/team. I just don't always agree with him!

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Don't drag me into your spat ya pair of cuntfunnels! :banghead:



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DB10GOONER wrote:Don't drag me into your spat ya pair of cuntfunnels! :banghead:

:-P :wink:

So are you saying you have NEVER EVER called spudmasher a Goat Muncher? :mrgreen: :wink:

ps; this isn't a spat - as in :box: its a discussion between Gooners on the use of the word *word censored* - and where one thinks it is just part pf banter and another thinks it is not a good term to apply to our glorious leader!

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SPUDMASHER wrote:If you knew me you'd know I could never pass myself off as a moral bastion of any nature. I'm about as far removed from it as anyone could be.
I just think that a lot of the piss taking names for him are just that, piss taking, and I'm fine with that. I happen to dislike him being called '*word censored*' or any manifestation of it as it is disrespectful to a man that doesn't deserve it. That's all it is, nothing more.

There are times when I personally would willingly knock him out cold. Those times are during the heat of the moment when my frustrations at some of his bizarre decision making get the better of me. Outside of those times I don't hold any vitriol towards him because, although often misguided or wrong, I do think he believes he is doing what is best for the club/team. I just don't always agree with him!
Now see that is far more offensive - the act of violence- in my eyes than simply calling him le cunto

but hey ho! different strokes for different folks I guess :?

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http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editor ... midfielder


TALKING POINT: Arsene Wenger remains insistent that the Gunners will not sign a specialist anchorman but will that decision come back to haunt them this season?


Arsenal's pre-season campaign crashed back down to earth with a 1-0 defeat by Monaco that thwarted their hopes of ending a four-year wait to lift the Emirates Cup in their own back yard.

The off-season has nevertheless been encouraging for the Gunners, even if that optimism is primarily based on their activeness away from the pitch. The club moved swiftly to replace Bacary Sagna, brought in a young, versatile and hugely promising Englishman, found cover and competition for Wojciech Szczesny to keep the Pole on his toes and, in Alexis Sanchez, made the undisputed signing of the summer.

Yet it feels like there is still one piece of the puzzle missing. The squad boasts a vast array of options, with both youthful exuberance and steadfast experience in the back line, while the speed of the attack is teamed with the more seasoned, understated vision of the club's batch of delicate playmakers. One thing which they are still without, however, is a thoroughbred, specialist defensive midfielder.

Last summer that particular void was artificially filled by free agent Mathieu Flamini, a player whose aggression and hot-tempered attitude can disguise his unnaturalness in shielding the back four. The Frenchman is an all-rounder whose tenacity is mistakenly taken as a token of his defensive awareness, when in fact eight players in the Arsenal squad averaged more tackles per game than the 30-year-old, while Yaya Sanogo (50 per cent) was the only outfield player with a lower tackle success rate than Flamini (64.1%).
Instead Arsenal's primary ball-winner for the last three seasons has been Mikel Arteta. The former Everton skipper moved to the Emirates Stadium as a cultured, creative force but was redeployed in a deeper, more destructive role to good success. No Arsenal player has come close to matching the 500 combined tackles and interceptions Arteta has made over that three year period (5.3 per game) while he is also the team's most prolific passer.

But the wizened Spaniard is far from a true defensive midfielder – his reading of the game merely remoulded by Arsene Wenger – and there are serious question marks over his mobility and athleticism. The 32-year-old is the side's most dribbled-past player and lacks the speed to devour the space Arsenal's into which style of play allows opposing teams to break, which in turn can expose the leaden-footed Per Mertesacker.
Humbling collapses against the likes of Liverpool and Chelsea last season were brought about, in large part, by a lack of solidity in the middle of the park. Games became too open and stretched and the serenity with which Arteta & Co. can operate against lesser sides was blown apart as waves of electrifying counterattacks pierced through a pliable midfield barrier.

Neither Arteta nor Flamini have the pace needed to cover the advances of Arsenal's attack-minded full-backs, nor the stamina to press opposition playmakers for 90 minutes, which exposes the side's higher line to teasing through-balls in behind and has made them incredibly vulnerable on the turn. A hallmark of their maulings last season was watching an exposed and isolated centre-back pairing hurriedly scurry backwards as streams of runners bore down on goal.

It is curious, therefore, that Wenger has yet to sign a player capable of curing this weakness and seems so reticent towards signing a powerful, tough-tackling midfield patroller in the mould of Patrick Vieira or Gilberto Silva.


Aaron Ramsey, too, would benefit from such a player. The Wales international was in sensational scoring form last season and his line-breaking, energetic forays forward during pre-season suggest that his appetite to attack remains as strong as ever. But that instinct is best utilised alongside a disciplined holding midfielder who can grant Ramsey the freedom to burst into the box and roam forward, rather than having to spend time tracking back and helping out his defence.

Wenger, though, considers the 23-year-old a player capable of filling in as a holding midfielder when required and, despite links with William Carvalho and Morgan Schniederlin, is happy with his options in that area. "We have Flamini who can play there. Last season we played with Arteta and Ramsey there in many games in that position," said the French boss, batting away suggestions of needing to bolster his midfield core.
It is possible that Wenger sees his midfield as a fluid, interchanging entity – he has previously said that "we try to find the defensive balance collectively ... we are more versatile going forward because everyone has the potential to go forward" – which the presence of a specialist defensive midfielder would likely hamper, and perhaps he saw Liverpool's surprise title bid last season as a sign that attacks, not defences, are responsible for winning and losing Premier League matches.

The rampant Reds were not overly concerned by solidity or defensive strength but blew teams – including Arsenal – away with their unrelenting and rapid attack. Steven Gerrard, more regista than water-carrier, was the closest thing to a defensive midfielder in the side, though the arrival of Emre Can has addressed a weakness that ultimately cost them the title and which remains conspicuously exposed at the Emirates.

So, after another summer in which Arsenal have made a marquee signing and with the squad bolstered by both new recruits and returning loanees, the Gunners feel well placed to launch a title challenge.

But that they remain without a specialist holding midfielder, even one to be used sparingly and in specific situations, seems like an oversight. In the absence of such a player they risk both hamstringing their dynamic Welsh talisman and leaving an often vulnerable back line exposed to the lightning transitions that stopped them in their tracks last season. Then again, with so much firepower in attack now, they will cause plenty more problems than they encounter.

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