Paddy's Youth Set Up at City

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Paddy's Youth Set Up at City

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Interesting piece in the Mail. If only Wenger had the foresight to bring him to Arsenal :


In broiling heat on the western tip of Croatia, Patrick Vieira is demanding that little bit more from his young Manchester City players.

‘Come on, come on, come on,’ he urges, with increasing cadence, as his elite development squad — or reserve team, in old money — play a two-touch, six-a-side game. ‘It’s hot, you are tired. Keep the ball. Never lose it.’

Vieira’s proteges, along with the Under 18 group, coached by former Blackburn winger Jason Wilcox, are in the quaint coastal town of Novigrad for a 10-day training camp set against the panoramic backdrop of the Adriatic Sea.

‘It’s not an army barracks but it’s also not five-star luxury and glam,’ says Mark Allen, head of the academy. ‘It offers the boys a taste, but we keep them grounded.’

‘We have a motto here,’ Wilcox begins. ‘Great person, great footballer. That means punctuality, appearance, work ethic, respect. You speak to cleaners how you speak to the manager.

‘You shake hands with every member of staff in the morning and when they leave at night. It’s vital.’

At the club’s Carrington training ground in Manchester, discipline is instilled in these young men. If they forget an item of kit, whether it be their water bottle or shin pads, they will not train. If they are late for a team meeting on match-day, they will not play

It is basic good manners,’ Allen says, his face gleaming with pride. ‘Socks are rolled up, shirts are tucked in. I have a great picture where there are two players about to come on for England at youth level. You can tell immediately which one is a City player. His shirt is tidy, his shorts are right, shinpads are correct. It shows they are listening.’

There is a conscious effort to shield these teenagers from the trappings of fame. While adidas are already sponsoring some of City’s English 17-year-olds and agents have free rein to handpick the region’s finest talent, they are also given cookery and driving awareness classes.

‘We had seven under-16s in the England squad last year,’ Wilcox reveals. ‘That was a record for us. We have some incredibly talented English players. Brandon Barker, Ashley Smith-Brown, Angus Gunn, Kean Bryan, Tosin Adarabioyo. The players are coming through.

‘Below the under-18 group, over 90 per cent of our academy is English. Recently we offered eight professional contracts and six of those are English boys.

‘Four of those six are local boys. It’s the ideal scenario but the wider you spread the net, the more chance you have of finding the gem.’

On this summer morning, it is a breathless training session in sticky, cloying conditions and Vieira has become irritated, noticing that his players have become attracted to the ball.

‘Stop, stop,’ he orders, his players freezing instantly. ‘Look at yourselves. Ten of you, all bunched together! How can you play like this? Look for the space, make the pitch bigger.’ He motions, spreading out his hands.

‘The boys need to understand this,’ Vieira insists. ‘When you have the ball, the pitch must be as big as possible. If you lose it, make it as tight as possible and then seven seconds, maximum, to win it back.

‘The best teams have a quick recovery. When you press, it is the whole team, high and fast, even the goalkeeper. Watch Manuel Neuer — unbelievable, he is like an old No 5. But he wasn’t born this way, he trained hard. If we start early, we can create these players.’
through instilling discipline, hard work and understanding successful tactics, they ARE taking predominantly English talent and pushing it up to professional level - something we seem to have been unable to do - Paddy seems to have learnt a lot from the George Legacy and taken it onwards.

90% of their acadamy is English - i'm guessing our is about 40% based on the pravda info.

whether these kids will make City's first team is another thing, but its an opposite approach to ours- taking English raw talent and working it hard and coaching it, rather than buying 'the cream of european wonderkids".

which is better suited for the PL i wonder ?

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According to a journo at Guardian, might have been Matt Scott,Paddy was offered a role at the club but Sh*tty offered him more and a more prestigious role.
You also have to remember that when Paddy wanted the job Pat rice was still in a job and Stevie Bould was managing our u21s.

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Yep, everywhere else is brilliant and Arsenal is shit. Nice original thought for the day.

I've read plenty of interviews with people involved in our academy and they always talk about creating "good people" and keeping the lads grounded. The proof is in the pudding.

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clockender1 wrote:Interesting piece in the Mail. If only Wenger had the foresight to bring him to Arsenal :


In broiling heat on the western tip of Croatia, Patrick Vieira is demanding that little bit more from his young Manchester City players.

‘Come on, come on, come on,’ he urges, with increasing cadence, as his elite development squad — or reserve team, in old money — play a two-touch, six-a-side game. ‘It’s hot, you are tired. Keep the ball. Never lose it.’

Vieira’s proteges, along with the Under 18 group, coached by former Blackburn winger Jason Wilcox, are in the quaint coastal town of Novigrad for a 10-day training camp set against the panoramic backdrop of the Adriatic Sea.

‘It’s not an army barracks but it’s also not five-star luxury and glam,’ says Mark Allen, head of the academy. ‘It offers the boys a taste, but we keep them grounded.’

‘We have a motto here,’ Wilcox begins. ‘Great person, great footballer. That means punctuality, appearance, work ethic, respect. You speak to cleaners how you speak to the manager.

‘You shake hands with every member of staff in the morning and when they leave at night. It’s vital.’

At the club’s Carrington training ground in Manchester, discipline is instilled in these young men. If they forget an item of kit, whether it be their water bottle or shin pads, they will not train. If they are late for a team meeting on match-day, they will not play

It is basic good manners,’ Allen says, his face gleaming with pride. ‘Socks are rolled up, shirts are tucked in. I have a great picture where there are two players about to come on for England at youth level. You can tell immediately which one is a City player. His shirt is tidy, his shorts are right, shinpads are correct. It shows they are listening.’

There is a conscious effort to shield these teenagers from the trappings of fame. While adidas are already sponsoring some of City’s English 17-year-olds and agents have free rein to handpick the region’s finest talent, they are also given cookery and driving awareness classes.

‘We had seven under-16s in the England squad last year,’ Wilcox reveals. ‘That was a record for us. We have some incredibly talented English players. Brandon Barker, Ashley Smith-Brown, Angus Gunn, Kean Bryan, Tosin Adarabioyo. The players are coming through.

‘Below the under-18 group, over 90 per cent of our academy is English. Recently we offered eight professional contracts and six of those are English boys.

‘Four of those six are local boys. It’s the ideal scenario but the wider you spread the net, the more chance you have of finding the gem.’

On this summer morning, it is a breathless training session in sticky, cloying conditions and Vieira has become irritated, noticing that his players have become attracted to the ball.

‘Stop, stop,’ he orders, his players freezing instantly. ‘Look at yourselves. Ten of you, all bunched together! How can you play like this? Look for the space, make the pitch bigger.’ He motions, spreading out his hands.

‘The boys need to understand this,’ Vieira insists. ‘When you have the ball, the pitch must be as big as possible. If you lose it, make it as tight as possible and then seven seconds, maximum, to win it back.

‘The best teams have a quick recovery. When you press, it is the whole team, high and fast, even the goalkeeper. Watch Manuel Neuer — unbelievable, he is like an old No 5. But he wasn’t born this way, he trained hard. If we start early, we can create these players.’
through instilling discipline, hard work and understanding successful tactics, they ARE taking predominantly English talent and pushing it up to professional level - something we seem to have been unable to do - Paddy seems to have learnt a lot from the George Legacy and taken it onwards.

90% of their acadamy is English - i'm guessing our is about 40% based on the pravda info.

whether these kids will make City's first team is another thing, but its an opposite approach to ours- taking English raw talent and working it hard and coaching it, rather than buying 'the cream of european wonderkids".

which is better suited for the PL i wonder ?
I think you might have taken some of the comments in that article a bit far.

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LDB wrote:Yep, everywhere else is brilliant and Arsenal is shit. Nice original thought for the day.

I've read plenty of interviews with people involved in our academy and they always talk about creating "good people" and keeping the lads grounded. The proof is in the pudding.

i wasn't suggesting United's youth system wasn't shite too....nor Liverpools or the Spuds.

our lads are 'grounded' ? lol. what like Jack and Frimpong ? Bentley, Pennant and Bendnter ?

and the fact that Upson excepted, our youth players never ever succeed in the top flight.....

:roll:

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clockender1 wrote:
LDB wrote:Yep, everywhere else is brilliant and Arsenal is shit. Nice original thought for the day.

I've read plenty of interviews with people involved in our academy and they always talk about creating "good people" and keeping the lads grounded. The proof is in the pudding.

i wasn't suggesting United's youth system wasn't shite too....nor Liverpools or the Spuds.

our lads are 'grounded' ? lol. what like Jack and Frimpong ? Bentley, Pennant and Bendnter ?

and the fact that Upson excepted, our youth players never ever succeed in the top flight.....

:roll:
We produced the only true world class English footballer of the past decade.

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1989 wrote:
clockender1 wrote:
LDB wrote:Yep, everywhere else is brilliant and Arsenal is shit. Nice original thought for the day.

I've read plenty of interviews with people involved in our academy and they always talk about creating "good people" and keeping the lads grounded. The proof is in the pudding.

i wasn't suggesting United's youth system wasn't shite too....nor Liverpools or the Spuds.

our lads are 'grounded' ? lol. what like Jack and Frimpong ? Bentley, Pennant and Bendnter ?

and the fact that Upson excepted, our youth players never ever succeed in the top flight.....

:roll:
We produced the only true world class English footballer of the past decade.
who ?

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He Cuntley plays for Roma.

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clockender1 wrote:
1989 wrote:
clockender1 wrote:
LDB wrote:Yep, everywhere else is brilliant and Arsenal is shit. Nice original thought for the day.

I've read plenty of interviews with people involved in our academy and they always talk about creating "good people" and keeping the lads grounded. The proof is in the pudding.

i wasn't suggesting United's youth system wasn't shite too....nor Liverpools or the Spuds.

our lads are 'grounded' ? lol. what like Jack and Frimpong ? Bentley, Pennant and Bendnter ?

and the fact that Upson excepted, our youth players never ever succeed in the top flight.....

:roll:
We produced the only true world class English footballer of the past decade.

who ?
If I could find my phone I'd text you the answer. Now where the hell has it got to? :rubchin:

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Yes cole was class,
but I am not sure if,
The definition of grounded,
Is letting a strange bird
Put her phone up your Arse....

And anyway, he signed professional terms under Rioch. I remember that only an injury to our two backs mid season put him in the team under wonga.

Wongas youth record is abysmal innit.

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Whatever the relatives merits of clubs' youth set-ups, I just wish Paddy was the Arsenal instilling his attitude into our youngsters.

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[quote=clockender]they ARE taking predominantly English talent and pushing it up to professional level[/quote]

No, what they are doing is a bit of PR work. You could go to ANY professional academy in the country and pick up one or two coaches' comments and plenty of soundbites with words like "grounded", "level-headed", "discipline" etc and make it seem like the business.

I'm sure many (foreign) coaches would look at that and laugh at the idea of trying to conduct such a technical session at the same time as flogging the players in blistering heat. The reality is nobody here REALLY knows what goes into making an academy successful in any real detail. A journo could do an equally superficial piece on Southampton and it would give zero insight into why they have produced so much talent for a club of their size. God forbid the day when they can produce their own home-grown flops rather than buying them like Sinclair, Rodwell, etc.

Vieira chose his path and good luck to him. Not really actually, hope their academy continues to be of zero significance to their first team. Our academy has work to do but appointing an ex-player whose role seems to change from youth coach to 'ambassador' as he please isn't a solution.

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northbank123 wrote:
clockender wrote:they ARE taking predominantly English talent and pushing it up to professional level
No, what they are doing is a bit of PR work. You could go to ANY professional academy in the country and pick up one or two coaches' comments and plenty of soundbites with words like "grounded", "level-headed", "discipline" etc and make it seem like the business.
its PR work to have 90% English talent, versus 40% English with us ? and its PR to give 6 professional contracts to six english kids, four of them from Manchester ?

when a team like ours has been missing English heart, guts and graft (or even British) at the back and in midfield to complement the foreign finesse and technique, wouldn't a policy like Citys be preferable to produce the next O'leary, Adams, Keown, Parlour ?

rather than the lightweight dros like denilson, diaby, djourou, vela etc ? and of the young players we've imported only Cesc & Ramsay has really succeeded in the PL - walcott has had two good half seasons. 2 1/2 quality players in 14 years.

our youth policy is not working and never has under wenger.

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So just by virtue of being in City"s academy, they are 'talent' whereas the default view for our youngsters - English or not - is the next Sanchez Watt or whatever? What a great fucking policy - until these players are stuck behind a young 10m foreign 23 year old the club has impatiently signed and isn't getting any gametime themselves.

I think people have unrealistic views of academies. Don't get me wrong, we could do better but sides like 90s United and 200s Barcelona come along once in a blue moon. They are the target but not a reasonable expectation. The reality is that 1 player from every 2 years (we're talking one in 25-odd of those offered senior contracts) making a really meaningful impact at senior level is a handy return for a top club.

The idea of an English/British core appeals to most fans but I certainly don't buy into it to the extent that I would massively favour home-grown players over poaching talent from further afield. The idea that more local youth will bring more passion and therefore better results is a view that English football should have outgrown long ago.

City have so far produced NOTHING to use them as a shining example. At least when we buy talented young players we generally don't ruin them. Even if their academy does harbour potential the whole ethos of the club is entirely counter-productive to developing young players into first-team stars.

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northbank123 wrote:
I think people have unrealistic views of academies. Don't get me wrong, we could do better but sides like 90s United and 200s Barcelona come along once in a blue moon. .

Adams, Keown, Davis were all in the same year class.

Parlour, Thomas, Merson, Rocastle, campbell, A Cole and Quinn, too.

two blue moons five years apart - and i think we could add O'Leary, Brady, Rix and Stapleton as another year class, 7/8 years before hand.

but since George, all we've done is cropped european talent - it hasn't worked, so why not try changing our methods and focusing more on kids who are tougher and more suited for Stoke in December and Hull in January to complement the skill positions ?

Southampton, West Ham (spit) and Everton seem to do it regularly, why can't we ?

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