Jack Wilshere

[VAVAVOOM 14]

piss poor again today. we looked better when he went off.

i'll repeat what Lee Lee Dixon said "Jack spends too long on the ball, his release is not quick enough. he dawdles and invites tackles. he sucks players in to tackle him, and that's why he's constantly injured"

Yes, Dixon was spot on with that.

Also, did you hear what he said about our full backs pushing up too early and often which leads to more congestion for our midfielders? He should know, too.

[clockender1]

yeah, Dixon is quality - the backs pushing up too quickly was not something i'd spotted.

he also castigated Ox for not being open often enough and taking the ball at feet.

did you catch the comment after campbell spun Chambers who was too tight to him ? - he said he needs to stand two feet behind the attacker and put his hand on his back to make him think he's too tight, and then Campbell would just spin into him and Chambers would block him.

that, is why we need a coaching team - Wenger could never teach that.

If we had coaches for each line, you can bet we'd get much better results from Sanogo, Jack, Ox, Chambers and Per, all who need work.

[Revgoon89]

piss poor again today. we looked better when he went off.

i'll repeat what Lee Lee Dixon said "Jack spends too long on the ball, his release is not quick enough. he dawdles and invites tackles. he sucks players in to tackle him, and that's why he's constantly injured"

Yes, Dixon was spot on with that.

Also, did you hear what he said about our full backs pushing up too early and often which leads to more congestion for our midfielders? He should know, too.

This is spot on

Every time I saw him in possession, he always fell over at the end due to a tackle. if he could just pick a pass earlier ti would help him and our attacking immensely.

[Bro]

First time I've posted on here in ages, I lost the password to my old account so yeah. I can't believe some of the posts on this thread, although I shouldn't really be surprised given how extremist some members of this forum are. I've seen one member of this forum repeatedly use Jack's last name in an insulting manner toward him. Cringe. I bet you were one of the same guys slagging off Ramsey. The laughable abuse players get on here is appalling.

Anyway, overrated? After being our player of the season in 2010/11, including the performance as a 19 year old where he dominated the game vs Barcelona where Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas were on the same pitch, and then missing the entire 2011/12 season and the first two months of the 2012/13 season due to injury, in which he carried the team on his back as soon as he returned, then having a few lesser injuries ever since then, being played out of position last season, I think it's pretty far from the truth to call him overrated.

In my opinion when people call someone overrated, they're usually wrong. Players earn their reputation on their performances, millions of people don't tout them as great players for no reason.

It strikes me as alot of people on here who have at go at WIlshere just like to turn on our players for the sake of it and jump on media bandwagons. Wilshere's a top drawer player, I remember many people on here for two seasons saying Ramsey would never make it here. I wonder how many excuses and backtracking will now come from those same people about Ramsey about how he got his head down or something and Wilshere isn't. Bollocks. Jack always puts in 100% every game, and for those who are going to mention his off-field activities, you're hypocrites. Adams and Merson ring any bells? Parlour?

Edit - I forgot people writing off Gibbs too. Alot of people on here slagged him off and said he wasn't good enough. Koscielny too. And Szczesny. And Rosicky.

[Blade]

We all know he is a talent but why has he not improved step wise, i.e Ramsey and Gibbs.

How come this obvious deficiency in Jack is never corrected.

He is going get his ankles smashed up again.

[northbank123]

First time I've posted on here in ages, I lost the password to my old account so yeah. I can't believe some of the posts on this thread, although I shouldn't really be surprised given how extremist some members of this forum are. I've seen one member of this forum repeatedly use Jack's last name in an insulting manner toward him. Cringe. I bet you were one of the same guys slagging off Ramsey. The laughable abuse players get on here is appalling.

Anyway, overrated? After being our player of the season in 2010/11, including the performance as a 19 year old where he dominated the game vs Barcelona where Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas were on the same pitch, and then missing the entire 2011/12 season and the first two months of the 2012/13 season due to injury, in which he carried the team on his back as soon as he returned, then having a few lesser injuries ever since then, being played out of position last season, I think it's pretty far from the truth to call him overrated.

In my opinion when people call someone overrated, they're usually wrong. Players earn their reputation on their performances, millions of people don't tout them as great players for no reason.

It strikes me as alot of people on here who have at go at WIlshere just like to turn on our players for the sake of it and jump on media bandwagons. Wilshere's a top drawer player, I remember many people on here for two seasons saying Ramsey would never make it here. I wonder how many excuses and backtracking will now come from those same people about Ramsey about how he got his head down or something and Wilshere isn't. Bollocks. Jack always puts in 100% every game, and for those who are going to mention his off-field activities, you're hypocrites. Adams and Merson ring any bells? Parlour?

Edit - I forgot people writing off Gibbs too. Alot of people on here slagged him off and said he wasn't good enough. Koscielny too. And Szczesny. And Rosicky.

Everybody knows Wilshere performed excellently against Barcelona. Although given that we didn't get a foothold in the game for about 70 minutes I think dominated is a bit excessive. I also don't remember him carrying the team in 2012/13, at all. But he performed amazingly in 2010/11 given his age, agreed.

Ultimately your post sums up why there is a thread on this matter. How you can put him in an elite bracket by calling him a "top drawer player" right now is beyond me. He still plays just about every week and his level of performance is consistently under-par. Even though injuries are unquestionably a big factor in why he has stalled/gone backwards, it doesn't make him any better than he actually is. If you think he's a hugely promising player who will still fulfil the potential we saw, I'd be inclined to disagree but fair enough. But if you think he's a top drawer player now? That's utter rubbish. Presumably you have joined the forum now that Frimpong said he doesn't need your services as agent any more after years of telling him he'd made it?

[Kallstrom29]

If Jack Wilshere was French I wonder how many people would be calling for a taxi for him?

[silus]

First time I've posted on here in ages, I lost the password to my old account so yeah. I can't believe some of the posts on this thread, although I shouldn't really be surprised given how extremist some members of this forum are. I've seen one member of this forum repeatedly use Jack's last name in an insulting manner toward him. Cringe. I bet you were one of the same guys slagging off Ramsey. The laughable abuse players get on here is appalling.

Anyway, overrated? After being our player of the season in 2010/11, including the performance as a 19 year old where he dominated the game vs Barcelona where Iniesta, Xavi and Fabregas were on the same pitch, and then missing the entire 2011/12 season and the first two months of the 2012/13 season due to injury, in which he carried the team on his back as soon as he returned, then having a few lesser injuries ever since then, being played out of position last season, I think it's pretty far from the truth to call him overrated.

In my opinion when people call someone overrated, they're usually wrong. Players earn their reputation on their performances, millions of people don't tout them as great players for no reason.

It strikes me as alot of people on here who have at go at WIlshere just like to turn on our players for the sake of it and jump on media bandwagons. Wilshere's a top drawer player, I remember many people on here for two seasons saying Ramsey would never make it here. I wonder how many excuses and backtracking will now come from those same people about Ramsey about how he got his head down or something and Wilshere isn't. Bollocks. Jack always puts in 100% every game, and for those who are going to mention his off-field activities, you're hypocrites. Adams and Merson ring any bells? Parlour?

Edit - I forgot people writing off Gibbs too. Alot of people on here slagged him off and said he wasn't good enough. Koscielny too. And Szczesny. And Rosicky.

I do think people go OTT with their criticism at times but thats just the nature of football fans. Anyone with half a brain can tell Jack is a very talented player, the problem being is he doesn't seem to be improving and maybe even gone backwards since his first season. This isn't all his fault..injuries and the manager not sure of his best position in the team hasn't helped.
I have to admit I was one of the ones who wanted Ramsey gone but am more then happy to eat my words and would now be my first player on the team sheet...another trait of us football fans...fickleness. If Jack starts performing again people will soon change their tune...i think most of us would love him to be a success.

[donaldo71]

Wilshere's a top drawer player

Deluded comments like this do my head in.He is not top draw the likes of Messi and Ronaldo are.He is not even in the top 3 midfielders at Arsenal.He is an over hyped player who has been built up by the media for one reason he's English.A bit like Walcott has been built up.They are not top draw they are not world class.Last season that twat John Cross was saying Ozil couldnt cut it in the prem yet this week wrote Arsenal can win the title because of Wilshere

[VAVAVOOM 14]

Wilshere's a top drawer player

Deluded comments like this do my head in.He is not top draw the likes of Messi and Ronaldo are.He is not even in the top 3 midfielders at Arsenal.He is an over hyped player who has been built up by the media for one reason he's English.A bit like Walcott has been built up.They are not top draw they are not world class.Last season that twat John Cross was saying Ozil couldnt cut it in the prem yet this week wrote Arsenal can win the title because of Wilshere

This is why people call him overrated.

Top drawer? Really?

Pirlo, Schweinsteiger, Toure, Ibrahimovic, Suarez, etc. They're top drawer, Jack isn't in that bracket - he doesn't even start for us when everyone's fit and available.

He's obviously talented but he hasn't progressed enough these past few years.

[Blood_Gooner]

We really should sell him before everyone else finds out he's shit.

[northbank123]

One of the biggest problems is nobody - least of all Wenger - seems to know what role should get the best out of him.

I'm not sure where he fits into a starting XI at the moment even if his form improves a bit, given that Ramsey is obviously inked in. If Wilshere plays alongside Ramsey + a DM like yesterday, the whole team shape is a mess. Even a better option than Sanogo up front would be isolated by the lack of AMC, and not having somebody else to play off puts too much pressure on Ramsey (and Wilshere) to create from deep positions with 10 opposition players sitting in and not enough players supporting. Add to that that we will often play one winger/wing forward (e.g. Sanchez, Walcott) and one central-minded player who invariably likes to drift inside (e.g. Ozil, Cazorla, Podolski) on either flank and the team shape is all over the shop.

For me if Wilshere is going to nail down a future in this team it has to be in a defensive-minded role alongside Ramsey playing the more expansive role. And I'm not remotely convinced of Wilshere in that role, in any event it would take a massive transition. Although even against an uninspiring Palace side Arteta was too often caught a yard too slow and resorting to bundling players over, we are really going to get caught out with him there.

[Theoperator]

I think that is a strategy we have seen/heard about on several previous occasions. I think AW finds a players weakness then forces him to confront it by playing him in that role for a while. Unfortunately it is normally at the expense of the whole team. I can't say I agree with it in matches. This is something that should be confined to the training ground and is evidence of where AW clearly gets things wrong and costs us results.

Evidence at last that Sanogo is in fact a pacey goalkeeper

[clockender1]

Jack at his best was never as good as Ramsay is now.

Ramsay can play left right or centre. Jack can only play centre.

right now Ramsay is the better player.

As soon as Ox came on, our tempo increased, Caz and Sanchez saw more of the ball, and we created chances for Giroud.

Wenger now says jack was sick in the week. pretty stupid to start him then huh ?

[Brady's left peg]

Jack at his best was never as good as Ramsay is now.

Ramsay can play left right or centre. Jack can only play centre.

right now Ramsay is the better player.

As soon as Ox came on, our tempo increased, Caz and Sanchez saw more of the ball, and we created chances for Giroud.

Wenger now says jack was sick in the week. pretty stupid to start him then huh ?

Wenger always comes out with the excuses to deflect criticism away from the player.....
same old, same old
That said it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did play him when not fully fit.