[POLL] Should we have bought back Cesc Fabregas?

[northbank123]

The big argument for not signing him was that he would not be needed as we had Ozil.

I am an Ozil fan, but we would have had an option to play Ozil wide and Cesc as number 10.

How about playing Cesc next to Ramsey?
Neither an out and out defensive midfielder.

But, surely better than Wilshere or Arteta playing there?

The ins and outs of him returning are not certain, rumours persist of a rift with Wemger.

The way forward is to go and buy that defensive midfielder we are crying out for.

Personally I didn't really get the Ozil argument. Fabregas wasn't a 'number 10' for us, that was Barcelona's mistake. They tried to play him too high up the pitch, he prospered for the deeper (more traditional CM) role. Besides, we've got room for Cazorla (who is a similar player to Ozil, and although Wenger thinks he can play out wide he's also thought that with Podolski, Wilshere and Ramsey) who we could have sold to recoup a large chunk of the fee.

The argument about Ramsey holds more weight for me. The two play a fairly similar role and I think both would be restricted too much by playing alongside one another without defensive cover.

[Humoresque]

The big argument for not signing him was that he would not be needed as we had Ozil.

I am an Ozil fan, but we would have had an option to play Ozil wide and Cesc as number 10.

How about playing Cesc next to Ramsey?
Neither an out and out defensive midfielder.

But, surely better than Wilshere or Arteta playing there?

The ins and outs of him returning are not certain, rumours persist of a rift with Wemger.

The way forward is to go and buy that defensive midfielder we are crying out for.

Personally I didn't really get the Ozil argument. Fabregas wasn't a 'number 10' for us, that was Barcelona's mistake. They tried to play him too high up the pitch, he prospered for the deeper (more traditional CM) role. Besides, we've got room for Cazorla (who is a similar player to Ozil, and although Wenger thinks he can play out wide he's also thought that with Podolski, Wilshere and Ramsey) who we could have sold to recoup a large chunk of the fee.

The argument about Ramsey holds more weight for me. The two play a fairly similar role and I think both would be restricted too much by playing alongside one another without defensive cover.

or even Eduardo, a true #9 fox in the box type who he ruined out wide in a 4-3-3

stubborn, stubborn Wenger

[1989]

Yawn.

Indeed.

[QuartzGooner]

The big argument for not signing him was that he would not be needed as we had Ozil.

I am an Ozil fan, but we would have had an option to play Ozil wide and Cesc as number 10.

Personally I didn't really get the Ozil argument. Fabregas wasn't a 'number 10' for us, that was Barcelona's mistake. They tried to play him too high up the pitch, he prospered for the deeper (more traditional CM) role.
The argument about Ramsey holds more weight for me. The two play a fairly similar role and I think both would be restricted too much by playing alongside one another without defensive cover.

Fabregas was a Number 10 for us in his last few seasons, though he started out as a deeper central midfielder.

I preferred him in his former years, a deep lying "quarter back".

I think he could play next to Ramsey.
Ramsey would be more box-to-box, Cesc sitting back and passing and tackling.
He is not a standard defensive midfielder but he can tackle and is brave.
It would have left us a bit open, but not more so than with Arteta, and Cesc is better than Arteta.

[Chippy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3DaV_xn5xc

Arsehole knows.

[TeeCee]

Cesc will win them the title this year whilst Arteta costs us at least 8 points being his usual 'shitness'!!

[northbank123]

Quartz when I hear 'number 10' I think either second striker or a Silva/Ozil sort of player who will happily drift round on the periphery and not track back etc if the team is struggling to win and retain possession.

I don't think Fabregas' game has ever focused that much around the sort of predatory positioning (between opposition lines) and intricate footwork in tight areas, little flicks and dinks etc that comes with that role. He was a far more dynamic player with a fantastic range of longer passing, deceptive pace that could leave opponents for dead and an ability to hold his own in the midfield battle.

Even if we played him in a slightly more advanced role I wouldn't call it a number 10 myself or compare it to Ozil's - as I've said before I think the nature of his game is more similar to Ramsey.

[goonersid]

Cesc will win them the title this year whilst Arteta costs us at least 8 points being his usual 'shitness'!!

Already said this and he will also be prem player of the season. Well done Wenger, first rvp to utd then stands by like an impotent fucking eunuch and watches cesc go to the chavs.

[DB10GOONER]

This really blows me away. We can't have Ramsey and Cesc together... Absolute vadge, lads.

It's called "adapting". They easily could adapt to play well with each other. And we (if we had a tactical manager) could adapt the systems (plural, as it should be) to work around both. Add a top DM to those two in the middle and you are quids in. Also, Fabregas is older now, he won't make the same amount of runs higher up and into the box the way Ramsey does. Add to all that the likelyhood that Ramsey will pick up an injury again or tire from being overplayed...

TBH I would happily sell Wilshere, Rosicky, Santi, Diaby and Arteta to "make space in our midfield" for Fabregas.

Either way, it's all spunk on the whore's lips now. Done and dusted. He's a chav now. But Cesc will light up the PL this year. And for a shower of cúnts too.

[OneBardGooner]

This really blows me away. We can't have Ramsey and Cesc together... Absolute vadge, lads.

It's called "adapting". They easily could adapt to play well with each other. And we ( if we had a tactical manager ) could adapt the systems (plural, as it should be) to work around both. Add a top DM to those two in the middle and you are quids in. Also, Fabregas is older now, he won't make the same amount of runs higher up and into the box the way Ramsey does. Add to all that the likelyhood that Ramsey will pick up an injury again or tire from being overplayed...

TBH I would happily sell Wilshere, Rosicky, Santi, Diaby and Arteta to "make space in our midfield" for Fabregas.

Either way, it's all spunk on the whore's lips now. Done and dusted. He's a chav now. But Cesc will light up the PL this year. And for a shower of cúnts too.

This is at the Hub of all our ills...It IS The Manager - he once was a very, VERY Good manager...His time is done...he no longer is as sharp and quick in what he does - He has Never been a tactician - and relies on the 'style' of football that materialises from the way the training sessions are run and practised (time and time and time again0 - Yes, we did once play amazingly beautiful football under Wenger - we still can and do - However, so do other teams, furthermore other managers have sussed how to neutralise our (tippy, tappy) pass and move - triangular passing formations - which used to create acre sof space and so allow our defence line to push up and hold a (solid) high line - and so our mid-field to command and win the mid-field, thus providing our attack with plenty of chances and our 'Striker/s to score umpteen goals.
BUT that hs now been nullified because we have Plan A - which has been copied and bettered world wide.

As to Cesc wenger should have snapped him up in a an instant - But, No he knows better - as has been said He should have got rid of the like sof Diaby, Santi, Rosicky etc etc and formulated a tactically based fornmation for the team - with both cesc and Rambo in mid-field - One the maestro , one the brilliant dynamo - and with a World Class Striker - which we still do NOT have - We could have carved other teams to pieces....

But Hey! what do any of us know? - Having been Gooners longer than Wenger has been in Football Management.

Fabregas will be allowed to play his very Best Game at the chavs - because he has other players who will be played in a way that utilises his abilities and because they have a manager (a *word censored* yes, ) but a manger who undertsnads what it now takes to win the Prem Title.


WENGER OUT!

[officepest]

I've said it before but I would rather have Fabregas, even with his dodgy hamstrings, than any of our current central midfieders.

Still disappointed we let him go to those twats.

If he can't play with Ramsey then change the fucking system.

[Gunner Rob]

The very worst thing for me is that Fabregas is now at the very peak of his ability.
we made this player the player he is and now he is going to win the title with the worst possible team that he could have chosen

[OneBardGooner]

The very worst thing for me is that Fabregas is now at the very peak of his ability.
we made this player the player he is and now he is going to win the title with the worst possible team and manager that he could have chosen

^^^^This^^^^

[Bendtners Drinking Buddy]

I think not re-signing him is a mistake, said it at the time and still maintain that now.

It wasmt something we "essentially" needed (like the CB, Mid, CF were/are) but given that Barca owe us so much bunce it was basically a free transfer.

I can see the reasons for not re-signing him (lest we not forget he had it made at Arsenal and HE WALKED OUT) so we shouldnt just bow to him when we comes crawling back - but for Arsenal reasons, not Cesc reasons i think we should have signed him.

One game means little, Barca said hit levels dropped dramatically in the second half of the season (he has played a remarkbale amount of games for his age) and to be fair to Wenger he knows what he is talking about on the Sports Science side - but for me, we should have signed him.

We will see how it develops i guess.

[DB10GOONER]

I think not re-signing him is a mistake, said it at the time and still maintain that now.

It wasmt something we "essentially" needed (like the CB, Mid, CF were/are) but given that Barca owe us so much bunce it was basically a free transfer.

I can see the reasons for not re-signing him (lest we not forget he had it made at Arsenal and HE WALKED OUT) so we shouldnt just bow to him when we comes crawling back - but for Arsenal reasons, not Cesc reasons i think we should have signed him.

One game means little, Barca said hit levels dropped dramatically in the second half of the season (he has played a remarkbale amount of games for his age) and to be fair to Wenger he knows what he is talking about on the Sports Science side - but for me, we should have signed him.

We will see how it develops i guess.

I agree on the "for our benefit" front. All this "Cesc is a Gooner" stuff is rubbish tbh. He's a Barca boy, always has been. I'm sure he felt an affinity with The Arsenal, but no more than he'll feel after he wins the PL with the chavs. But as BDB says, it would have benefitted us to re-sign him.