Everton away match thread.

[Brady's left peg]

Welbeck?

I think I would prefer to give Campbell a chance there before I'd even contemplate Welbeck, is that how far we have fallen... wanting to sign second rate Manure cast-offs

[milesgooner]

We could do with sticking Ray Parlour in a time machine! Milner and Welback are not players that set the pulses racing but you tell them to do a defensive shift and they will run all day for you. Horses for courses etc etc

[Brady's left peg]

We could do with sticking Ray Parlour in a time machine! Milner and Welback are not players that set the pulses racing but you tell them to do a defensive shift and they will run all day for you. Horses for courses etc etc

If were going to start using the time machine again, I think there's a damn site more than Ray Parlour that we could knock a few years off... Pires, Bergkamp, Henry, Vieira, Brady, Adams, George.... the list is endless.

[Swifty]

Scoring two away is a good outcome regardless of when we scored and our stats show we offen score in the last 15. Problem is conceding two earlier on. Defence is our issue in my view.

[WE8SPURS]

We could do with sticking Ray Parlour in a time machine! Milner and Welback are not players that set the pulses racing but you tell them to do a defensive shift and they will run all day for you. Horses for courses etc etc

I was just having the same thought regarding the Romford Pele, how we could do with him right now

[gp543]

A couple points on today's match now that I've had some time to think about it.

1. There's no excusing the first half performance. That was woeful and shocking considering last season's match there. I put that squarely on Arsene.

2. A point at Goodison is not a bad result. We've seen a lot of teams struggle there. A point at Goodison when you're 2 down with 8 minutes to play is fantastic. There are lots of questions to be asked of the first half but I would think that every side save for City (and possibly chelsea, although not convinced about that yet) could not have gotten a point in that scenario.

3. Giroud changed the game. He can be far more effective off the bench. We've seen it time and again. OG is a 20 goal a season striker, and that's not good enough to win the title. He does do well with his limited skills/attributes imo. He's scored some big goals for us (Dortmund, Bayern, Scum, etc.) but we really need a 30-35 goal a season striker to challenge for the league title.

4. Taking the rest of the league into perspective, we're not off to a bad start. No matter what happens tomorrow, we're still above United. We'll be above one of Liverpool and City come Monday night unless it's a 3-3 draw or something. 2 points clear of Everton. Chelsea haven't been tested yet and the scum are barely worth mentioning.

5. Beat Besiktas and Leceister, bring in some more talent (which I believe will happen if we qualify for CL) and we're off to our best start in a few seasons.

[RayC]

[quote="Humoresque"]Oezil has never really impressed except for the first few months that he got here. He's either , doesn't care, or is being misused.

well, of course he's being misused but his overall attitude and body language are like he can't be bothered.[/quote]
I don't remember him ever smiling during a game. Surly he should at least try to enjoy it. - he get's paid enough. As far as the result goes I 'm more than happy but agree with most posts we played like crap. We'll play a lot worse and win games and everyone will be satisfied.

[Bradywasking]

Alan Shearer is a moron...only pundit across three channels that I watched game/highlights on that didn't call a foul in build up to second goal..in fact he "loved it"...Secondly if Naismith had punched the ball in for the second goal the build up would have been irrelevant , so by the same token the fact he was offside should make the build up irrelevant.

[topgoon]

With the fog of beer gone, the cold truth of last night was Sanchez upfront on his own as a false 9 only works if we press and I mean collectively. It's galling watching us trying the pressing game and not doing it as a team because it leaves stupid gaps like the Coleman goal.

Monreal still has only 1 redeeming feature,he is an excellent crosser of the ball.

Giroud when he is a**ed is a handful for any defender but we need a no 9. If we aren't going to buy one then for the love of God change the formation you stubborn old man.

Yesterday was crying out for a 5-3-2,with Chambers-Bfg-Kos,so Monreal and us aren't too exposed at the back. A midfield of Flamini Rambo and Özil centrally( his best f**king position ) with the pace of Sanchez paired with the physicality of Giroud. Not him up front by himself. This allows us to use our best assets, which is to break from defence to attack using the flanks,Giroud holding up the ball and Sanchez running in behind.

We aren't Barcawhores so stop setting us up like that and stop ignoring what we are good at. The Catalan Chav is not here any more stop making a team around a man that isn't here.

We are going to have to have a very good last week of the transfer window to avoid last season being repeated. We need a LB,Cm,no 9(a good one not sone cheap french knock off), and a Cb.

If we actually had anything remotely resembling ambition to be more than mediocre,that would mean Daley Blind, Carvalho,Falcao(why the f**k not,of all the club's after him we are the ones with the greatest need and FFS it's not like we can't afford him),Manolas.

But what we will get will be no Lb,Tiote(shudders at the thought),Eto'o and Micah Richards.

[nut flush gooner]

Alan Shearer is a moron...only pundit across three channels that I watched game/highlights on that didn't call a foul in build up to second goal..in fact he "loved it"...Secondly if Naismith had punched the ball in for the second goal the build up would have been irrelevant , so by the same token the fact he was offside should make the build up irrelevant.

Yeah shearer is a prick no doubt, hates both manure and arsenal.

What made me lol was the intro to MOTD when they had Tom Jones "its not unusual" playing in honour of their 50th anniversary, and Gary Linker introduced Robbie Savage as the only welshman the BBC could afford.

I find everything about Savage as a player even more infuriating now he is trying to cut the mustard as a pundit. Henry put him in his place during the WC when savage said "we used to give you a game" to TH14. The master came back with "we did ok against you", making savage look like the class A1 *word censored* he is.

[trustno10]

There are lots of questions to be asked of the first half but I would think that every side save for City (and possibly chelsea, although not convinced about that yet) could not have gotten a point in that scenario.

I don't agree with this, it implies that we had some special perseverance or drive yesterday when the two goals were the end product of the team going through the motions like they had done for the previous 83 minutes. Ramsey's goal was a bit of a miracle given he was the only Arsenal player in the box against 6 defenders and Giroud's goal was just an aimless cross from Monreal. Both could have been prevented if Distin had positioned himself correctly

[kiwomya]

There are lots of questions to be asked of the first half but I would think that every side save for City (and possibly chelsea, although not convinced about that yet) could not have gotten a point in that scenario.

I don't agree with this, it implies that we had some special perseverance or drive yesterday when the two goals were the end product of the team going through the motions like they had done for the previous 83 minutes. Ramsey's goal was a bit of a miracle given he was the only Arsenal player in the box against 6 defenders and Giroud's goal was just an aimless cross from Monreal. Both could have been prevented if Distin had positioned himself correctly

whereas Evertons goals could have been prevented it Ozil picked up Coleman and the linesman had his glasses on. Its pretty easy to point out the deficiencies after the event.

[trustno10]

There are lots of questions to be asked of the first half but I would think that every side save for City (and possibly chelsea, although not convinced about that yet) could not have gotten a point in that scenario.

I don't agree with this, it implies that we had some special perseverance or drive yesterday when the two goals were the end product of the team going through the motions like they had done for the previous 83 minutes. Ramsey's goal was a bit of a miracle given he was the only Arsenal player in the box against 6 defenders and Giroud's goal was just an aimless cross from Monreal. Both could have been prevented if Distin had positioned himself correctly

whereas Evertons goals could have been prevented it Ozil picked up Coleman and the linesman had his glasses on. Its pretty easy to point out the deficiencies after the event.

You're missing the point. The team showed no particular quality to come back yesterday, anyone who sees it as a demonstration of character or step up from last season's capitulation is deluding themselves

[Rosie_titters]

If i was Wenger for the top away games where we suffered last season and even yesterday for a good 70 mins. I'd play 5 at the back. and pack the midfield. i think coming away from City, Liverpool, Chelsea with a dire 0-0 it's a bloody good result

why try and go toe to toe with these teams and get fucked 5-0. Watching yesterday 's game t seemed for a long period we had'nt learnt fuck all from last season.

[LDB]

There are lots of questions to be asked of the first half but I would think that every side save for City (and possibly chelsea, although not convinced about that yet) could not have gotten a point in that scenario.

I don't agree with this, it implies that we had some special perseverance or drive yesterday when the two goals were the end product of the team going through the motions like they had done for the previous 83 minutes. Ramsey's goal was a bit of a miracle given he was the only Arsenal player in the box against 6 defenders and Giroud's goal was just an aimless cross from Monreal. Both could have been prevented if Distin had positioned himself correctly

whereas Evertons goals could have been prevented it Ozil picked up Coleman and the linesman had his glasses on. Its pretty easy to point out the deficiencies after the event.

You're missing the point. The team showed no particular quality to come back yesterday, anyone who sees it as a demonstration of character or step up from last season's capitulation is deluding themselves

????????

We forced Everton back and had them camped on their 18 yard box for the last 10 minutes. I thought we showed good character to do that considering we'd had a trip to Turkey in mid week. You could probably go through every goal ever scored and find someone who could have prevented if they'd positioned themselves differently. I have to say this is another fairly embarrassing attempt to deny the team any credit. You can admit we showed good character against Everton without being blind to our other obvious failings in the game, the world isn't black and white.

I don't understand why we're playing Ozil wide left when he's one of the best creative number 10s in world football. Wilshere should be farmed out there, I know those players interchange a lot but Ozil seemed to be marooned. I get the feeling he's the kind of player that wants to know the manager sees him as the main creator.

Our passing looks good in fits and starts but there are a lot of basic errors and misplaced passes which weren't there for most of last season.

Debuchy another solid game, the rest were all fairly average by their own standards but I didn't think Alexis was anywhere near our worst attacking player in the first half although I understand bringing on Giroud.

Good point in the end, plenty of top sides will get less than that at Goodison this year.