As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
And more to the point, have you ever considered blaming the players for getting fucked over with those scorelines.
You've got a short memory mate because this is the same manager that beat Manure on their own ground to win a title. The same one that has handed out thrashings to many teams much more often than we've been on the receiving end and the same one that appears to have given you a sense of entitlement.
Regarding the Charity match , the biggest Charity out there is paying that man £8 million in wages
You know what, I respect the fact that this was probably a long standing arrangement for a noble cause and etiquette deemed it poor form to cancel. I appreciate the fact that as fans, we probably don't appreciate the fact that so much negotiations and protocol goes into any one transfer and dealing with people who are so far removed from the real world. I recognise the fact there is no magic wand in the board room (well other than that gives them ill deserved pay rises )that can make a player sign for us just because the media say so.......
But........what I really don't get is the fact is that Wenger is unable or does not want to relinquish power to delegate to some one to go out and do what needs doing. F**ks sake, the world and his dog knew what needed doing and sure as hell, we're left scratching for sloppy seconds whilst all summer and indeed last year he had time to nip and tuck if necessary and get in what was REALLY required. A lot of people have /had issues with David Dean but we badly need some one of his ilk who will stand up to the dictator and tell him a few home truths were necessary and make things happen when necessary, not last minute crack papering over. Wenger probably decides what brand of tea they use, colour of bog paper etc,too much power (and work load for one man). His job prospectus should not include any financial dealings and a reduced role in the transfer market and only then will we see less farcical scenarios last night where he can F**k off on a jolly on a night that can make or break a season.
I've always said that a manager should not be involved in the financials. He should simply identify the players he wants in priority order and it should be up to the commercial people in the club to go and do the deal. This is one area where Wenger needs to step back and the board need to tell him to do so. Having said that though, we don't know what would happen if he did so. Would it be better or does he do this as he can see that nobody else on the board is capable of doing so since DD left the club? It could be something else altogether, who knows?
What I don't understand is the hypocrisy of some of our fan base that argue on one hand that we did better deals when he was out of the way in Brazil and on the other hand claim he should have been in London last night to do the deals!
I know some people want it all ways but it doesn't work like that does it?
I agree with Spuddy that managers should never be involved in the financial side of it. That's not their job and it shouldn't be. They should hand the Board/Chairman a list of who they require, wait to see who they might get, and then get involved only in discussing with the player what role they see with the player filling etc as part of the pre-contract negotiations, leaving financial negotiations to the Board.
He's our own jimmy Seville, he sucked us in, made us happy and made all our dreams come true. Then once he had us ingratiated to him he pulled out his plonker and rode the hole off the lot of us and the only difference is he's still doing it.
And more to the point, have you ever considered blaming the players for getting fucked over with those scorelines.
You've got a short memory mate because this is the same manager that beat Manure on their own ground to win a title. The same one that has handed out thrashings to many teams much more often than we've been on the receiving end and the same one that appears to have given you a sense of entitlement.
That is ridiculous, players can be blamed if you make a mistake, or if they aren't carrying out the game plan, but it isn't the players fault that he allows our full backs to both run forward against teams like Chelsea, and leave huge gaps, and that is due to him being tactically inept. Also he neglects buying the sufficient players we need, especially when our DM is Arteta, who takes a year to turn, never mind having the pace to keep up with fast midfielders.
And more to the point, have you ever considered blaming the players for getting fucked over with those scorelines.
You've got a short memory mate because this is the same manager that beat Manure on their own ground to win a title. The same one that has handed out thrashings to many teams much more often than we've been on the receiving end and the same one that appears to have given you a sense of entitlement.
That is ridiculous, players can be blamed if you make a mistake, or if they aren't carrying out the game plan, but it isn't the players fault that he allows our full backs to both run forward against teams like Chelsea, and leave huge gaps, and that is due to him being tactically inept. Also he neglects buying the sufficient players we need, especially when our DM is Arteta, who takes a year to turn, never mind having the pace to keep up with fast midfielders.
I disagree entirely.
It is always said that once you cross the white line it is down to the players to perform. The manager cannot overly influence what they do out there. If a player is getting raped regularly by following a set plan it is his responsibility to stop that happening and if that means diverting from the plan a little then so be it. If a full back cannot get back to stop attacks it is his responsibility to stay back a bit further and communicate the reason to either the captain or the bench. Players have to accept responsibility as well as a manager.
Arsenal as a club have become totally institutionalised under Wenger, any new manager will have a hell of a job on his hands trying to put things right again.
It is always said that once you cross the white line it is down to the players to perform. The manager cannot overly influence what they do out there. If a player is getting raped regularly by following a set plan it is his responsibility to stop that happening and if that means diverting from the plan a little then so be it. If a full back cannot get back to stop attacks it is his responsibility to stay back a bit further and communicate the reason to either the captain or the bench. Players have to accept responsibility as well as a manager.
With whom does the responsibilty lie for repeatedly sending out a team with no consideration for how the opposition line up?
If we are told to tip-tap around and bomb forward at all times then blaming the players as goal number 7 flies in is redundant. We barely have a plan A, so when that goes tits-up what are the blokes on the pitch meant to do? I do understand what you're getting at, that senior pros should analyze the game and adapt accordingly, but you can see with your own eyes that this doesn't happen. Why is this?
And more to the point, have you ever considered blaming the players for getting fucked over with those scorelines.
You've got a short memory mate because this is the same manager that beat Manure on their own ground to win a title. The same one that has handed out thrashings to many teams much more often than we've been on the receiving end and the same one that appears to have given you a sense of entitlement.
That is ridiculous, players can be blamed if you make a mistake, or if they aren't carrying out the game plan, but it isn't the players fault that he allows our full backs to both run forward against teams like Chelsea, and leave huge gaps, and that is due to him being tactically inept. Also he neglects buying the sufficient players we need, especially when our DM is Arteta, who takes a year to turn, never mind having the pace to keep up with fast midfielders.
I disagree entirely.
It is always said that once you cross the white line it is down to the players to perform. The manager cannot overly influence what they do out there. If a player is getting raped regularly by following a set plan it is his responsibility to stop that happening and if that means diverting from the plan a little then so be it. If a full back cannot get back to stop attacks it is his responsibility to stay back a bit further and communicate the reason to either the captain or the bench. Players have to accept responsibility as well as a manager.
Alan Smith and Lee Dixon have alot more knowledge on the game than you or I have, and both commented on how we were tactically inept against Chelsea, City, Liverpool, and Everton last season. Its hilarious to suggest that the players are to blame for 6-0, 6-3, 5-1 and 3-0 defeats. The reality is, that the manager refuses to adapt his tactics to deal with the opposition, so when we meet a shit team, we generally have enough to beat them, but when we meet a top team, they work out our game plan, because its non-existent.
As well as the hidings we've suffered in the past, last season of all season was the year to hand out a beating to the mancs....Like beating a suspect in shackles as Lou from the simpsons would say
And yet we still couldnt manage it....we had one small window of oppertunity to slap them off the pitch and wenger set up not to lose....mission accomplished!!
Im always going to be hoping we can beat the teams around us at the top......but for the mancs red and blue and chelski and liverpool...you'd have to be seriously concerned at the propect of more hidings this season.....proving once again that wenker learns nothing at all....which for 8 mil a year is a fucking scandal!!!
And more to the point, have you ever considered blaming the players for getting fucked over with those scorelines.
You've got a short memory mate because this is the same manager that beat Manure on their own ground to win a title. The same one that has handed out thrashings to many teams much more often than we've been on the receiving end and the same one that appears to have given you a sense of entitlement.
That is ridiculous, players can be blamed if you make a mistake, or if they aren't carrying out the game plan, but it isn't the players fault that he allows our full backs to both run forward against teams like Chelsea, and leave huge gaps, and that is due to him being tactically inept. Also he neglects buying the sufficient players we need, especially when our DM is Arteta, who takes a year to turn, never mind having the pace to keep up with fast midfielders.
I disagree entirely.
It is always said that once you cross the white line it is down to the players to perform. The manager cannot overly influence what they do out there. If a player is getting raped regularly by following a set plan it is his responsibility to stop that happening and if that means diverting from the plan a little then so be it. If a full back cannot get back to stop attacks it is his responsibility to stay back a bit further and communicate the reason to either the captain or the bench. Players have to accept responsibility as well as a manager.
Spuddy you cant honestly believe that players have the authority to ignore any managers tactics, much less a manager/dictator like wenker ? I manage our local club side (badly lately as it goes ) and if any c*nt tried to undermine me by changing tactics without my approval, then he would be out of my squad before you could say "arsene wenker is a c*nt" - we all know that wenker controls everything in our club and doesn't like anybody challenging him, so what makes you think that he would allow any player to usurp him like that ?
It should also be noted that the thrashings we received were basically sown up in the first 15-20 minutes......in other words, in the time frame where wenker would have had full control of tactics and before players might be in a position to make alterations
I manage our local club side (badly lately as it goes 
) and if any c*nt tried to undermine me by changing tactics without my approval, then he would be out of my squad before you could say "arsene wenker is a c*nt" - we all know that wenker controls everything in our club and doesn't like anybody challenging him, so what makes you think that he would allow any player to usurp him like that ? 
