THE WENGER THREAD

[BFG4]

I was crying out for years that Wenger, when he did leave, would do it on a high note - because i feel the guy 100% deserves that. He wants whats best for the club and does what he see's as best, i dont question that.

However, we we underweight in certain positions last year and got away with it - generally in attacking positions where we were blessed with young talent (ie Serge) who came in for a few games and did well - Wenger is obviously a big part of good youngsters coming through.

However, not buying a CB is a huge huge gamble at best and negligent at worse. if we go to Stamford Bridge with Monreal and Chambers down to 3/4 injuries thats bad luck - but the fact they could be a partnerhip down to a suspension / injury combination is shocking for a top club. i thought Miquel was pretty crap but to sell him even is madness.

I understand its not football manager - but Alex Song always looked better a CB, Micah Rochards moved, Nastatic - even fecking Lescott!!! Or, DONT SELL YOUR THIRD CHOICE CB!!!

Its crazy, i dont see how we wont suffer for this.

Of course we will struggle, and it will be down to the manager again neglecting buying the players we need. He again waited until the last minute, and put everything into signing Welback, instead of doing his business early, and actually giving us a chance of having a successful season. Some of the media reports suggested that we attempted to buy a CB and DM, but left it too late, which isn't surprising at all.

[mcdowell42]

801 pages and he's still here,don't think this thread is working.

[Dodgyknee71]

I was crying out for years that Wenger, when he did leave, would do it on a high note - because i feel the guy 100% deserves that. He wants whats best for the club and does what he see's as best, i dont question that.

However, we we underweight in certain positions last year and got away with it - generally in attacking positions where we were blessed with young talent (ie Serge) who came in for a few games and did well - Wenger is obviously a big part of good youngsters coming through.

However, not buying a CB is a huge huge gamble at best and negligent at worse. if we go to Stamford Bridge with Monreal and Chambers down to 3/4 injuries thats bad luck - but the fact they could be a partnerhip down to a suspension / injury combination is shocking for a top club. i thought Miquel was pretty crap but to sell him even is madness.

I understand its not football manager - but Alex Song always looked better a CB, Micah Rochards moved, Nastatic - even fecking Lescott!!! Or, DONT SELL YOUR THIRD CHOICE CB!!!

Its crazy, i dont see how we wont suffer for this.

Of course we will struggle, and it will be down to the manager again neglecting buying the players we need. He again waited until the last minute, and put everything into signing Welback, instead of doing his business early, and actually giving us a chance of having a successful season. Some of the media reports suggested that we attempted to buy a CB and DM, but left it too late, which isn't surprising at all.

[Dodgyknee71]

I bet he had a lot less time off this year than you or I have. I was sodding about on a beach for two weeks at the end of June/beginning of July. The only difference was that I wasn't also going to watch potential players in the evenings etc.

I'm incredibly disappointed with what has happened at the club over the last few years. The promises of more money, better signings etc. etc. just didn't materialise. I don't hold AW entirely accountable for this though as many people have chosen to forget that we went into a recession just as the Highbury square development was released for sale. Income from that project that was supposed to prop up the club didn't materialise as a result. I blame the board for that 100%. They should never have got involved in property development, They're a football club FFS! That was the fundamental reason behind Edelmans departure. The knock on effect was that finances took longer to recover.

Does that excuse AW? Well a bit, yes, but not totally. He assembled a superb team on a shoestring first time around but failed to repeat the second and third times. During those periods he towed the company line whilst the board shit on him from a great height, something I am certain has contributed to his current unpopularity.

Have we been lied to? Yes, by both AW and the board and they both have a lot to answer for. Sorry to disappoint anyone but you're not going to get answers........ever.
Does AW frustrate the shit out of me at times? Yes, without question. There are times when he is fortunate that I'm not stood next to him when he does/says certain things.
Do I want a new manager? Yes, if we can land somebody that really could make a difference without ploughing the club into unsustainable levels of debt. I'd hate to be in the position that one or two clubs have been in during this window whereby they have had to offload a player to buy one. I could never hate Wenger though.

I love Arsenal football club and have done so for more than 40 years, man and boy. Am I happy that we are not challenging for every trophy every year? No, but then I've supported us when we had long periods owithout winning anything before. At least this time I can actually watch the team and not get bored or play 'push the penny' along the wall of the lower west.

I beg to differ - I have had 1 poxy week in salou this summer (the weather wasn't great tbh) and last year I got no fcuking holiday at all and I aint being paid anywhere near £8.5m per season

I take it you won't be renewing your S/T then?

[WE8SPURS]

Seconded.

And more to the point, have you ever considered blaming the players for getting fucked over with those scorelines.

You've got a short memory mate because this is the same manager that beat Manure on their own ground to win a title. The same one that has handed out thrashings to many teams much more often than we've been on the receiving end and the same one that appears to have given you a sense of entitlement.

To be fair you have obviously missed the point, mate and without wanting to cause offense it's exactly people like you it was aimed at.

There was as much of a question in the metaphor as it was meant as a statement. How long does he get before his past achievements are no longer sufficient because I for one am not prepared to get thrashed year on year by the big boys and swallow it due to him winning us trophies in the past. Oh, and don't for a second think that Wenger influenced results so that the points to win the title would be up for grabs at OT BTW, that was pure coincident as nice as it was.

I fully appreciate the things he has done and enjoyed those times as much as anyone but if we were all like you and clung on to what Wenger has done in the past and held him up as some sort of deity then this would actually be a Liverpool FC forum. I live in the now.

I do not have a sense of entitlement either and tbh I can live without winning tropies every year but what I would like is to be able to go into every match with the top teams and not fear a thrashing, there can be no excuse for the way the man sets us up against them and then has no idea what to do when his carbon copy game plan goes to shit.

Hate Wenger, love Wenger it's all irrelevant. The only thing all of us on here have in common is our love for Arsenal. Managers/players come and go but above all else is the club that is in our blood, we should remember that. People on here have different opinions but there end game is the same, we all want whats best for the club it's just we have conflicting ideals on how to achieve that.

[New Manager Pls]

Wenker should have been hounded out after the disastarous 10-11 season, we had such a good squad that year and if he had made a few good signings in the 2010 summer we could have won the title and league cup [also possibly beaten Farca but had to rely on Almunia and Djorou in defence ]. He also dismantled the core of that squad in the summer of 2011 and replaced them with doss like Fatos and Forehead.

Although in my eyes the real downfall of Wenker started during the 07-08 with how he allowed that team to become perennial chokers and allowed our title bid to capitulate in such a disgusting form. I also remember the Liverpool game in the CL quarter final of that season where we were going through to the next round with 7 minutes remaining and somehow got knocked out by 2 goals.

It's unbelievable how he is still going to be our manager for another 3 years.

[LDB]

We have 6 first team defenders at the entire football club.

However you cut it that's fucking embarrassing and piss poor. With Koscielny and Gibbs injured we're already down to 4, better pray Chambers and Debuchy survive the international break unscathed or it's hello Isaac Hayden/Bellerin against City.

When we sold Vermaelen and loaned out Jenkinson I honestly didn't see how we could not sign another defender. I didn't see the point moaning about it because I thought it was so fucking obvious that it just had to happen. I thought we were light back there last season and only got by because Sagna was an auxiliary centre half, we now have even fewer defenders. And then to go and actually sell a central defender on deadline day? Jesus. Not saying Ignasi Miquel is the answer to anything but he has more seniority than any of the other academy lads.

It's like Arshavin the loan center forward all over again.

PS: That Jimmy Saville thing was a disgrace. Have a word with yourself.

[greengooner]

100% against and have been for some time, the memories of his early success has faded and now I view him as a totally separate manager from the Arsene of those years. Pack your bags and don't lead the door hit you on the ass on the way out.
Nobody wants him to be part of the insane deals united are entering into but jeez sometimes you have spend money, it can't be avoided, he must be a nightmare to live with, he will try not to die when he finds out how expensive funerals are.

[Herd]

so do i actually feel abused - absolutely, so don't ban the poor sod for trying to express how he feels.

No one is banning the chap. He was warned and that's it. Unless it's repeated. CE1 - you've been on here long enough to know we let most stuff slide, but after the forum was shut down, the owners specifically briefed us mods on what was and wasn't acceptable going forward.

I would add that personally too I think ANY comparison (mataphoric, exaggerated, in jest, whatever) to Saville is not acceptable. To be honest I'm stunned that anyone would find that post acceptable, the poster himself admitted he'd gone too far.

Oh ffs get off your Shocked and offended Pulpit DB , Ive seen loads of far worse stuff on here .
Give a man a little power and it goes straight to their heads !

[DB10GOONER]

so do i actually feel abused - absolutely, so don't ban the poor sod for trying to express how he feels.

No one is banning the chap. He was warned and that's it. Unless it's repeated. CE1 - you've been on here long enough to know we let most stuff slide, but after the forum was shut down, the owners specifically briefed us mods on what was and wasn't acceptable going forward.

I would add that personally too I think ANY comparison (mataphoric, exaggerated, in jest, whatever) to Saville is not acceptable. To be honest I'm stunned that anyone would find that post acceptable, the poster himself admitted he'd gone too far.

Oh ffs get off your Shocked and offended Pulpit DB , Ive seen loads of far worse stuff on here .
Give a man a little power and it goes straight to their heads !

Fuck off. Seriously, just fuck off.

Nothing to do with power or being shocked and offended, but there are rules on here and tbh if we were to follow them as they were originally set down before we re-opened we would have banned him instantly. We mods have continuously tried to loosen those rules off in an effort to avoid the life being choked out of the forum and it ending up like the bland as shit Arsenal.con forum. And in fairness to our bosses, GoonerEd and the owner Mike, they have been willing to let us do that. But I'll be honest with you we are only one major blow up away from being shut down at any time. And if we get shut down again because some fucking idiot could not stick to the few simple rules we do have, then we will not be re-opening.

Anyone that compares anyone to Saville is a cúnt in my book. Just like ANYONE that makes the hissing gas noise when we play the scum is a cúnt in my book. Do you make that noise? Would you consider that the actions of a cúnt? I would. There are fucking limits to what is acceptable.

So your choice, mate. We mod the place and keep it open, or we let new posters that don't give a shit about the place, and middle aged wannabe hooligans like you, post whatever the fuck you want and we get shut down again.

[SPUDMASHER]

Seconded.

And more to the point, have you ever considered blaming the players for getting fucked over with those scorelines.

You've got a short memory mate because this is the same manager that beat Manure on their own ground to win a title. The same one that has handed out thrashings to many teams much more often than we've been on the receiving end and the same one that appears to have given you a sense of entitlement.

I fully appreciate the things he has done and enjoyed those times as much as anyone but if we were all like you and clung on to what Wenger has done in the past and held him up as some sort of deity then this would actually be a Liverpool FC forum. I live in the now.

Who's holding him up as a Deity? I'm certainly not. I'm well aware of his faults, I just don't feel the need to bang on about them constantly and bore the living shit out of people. If you knew me at all you'd know that I do not cling on to what he has done in the past, I just don't erase it from the records.

[SPUDMASHER]

so do i actually feel abused - absolutely, so don't ban the poor sod for trying to express how he feels.

No one is banning the chap. He was warned and that's it. Unless it's repeated. CE1 - you've been on here long enough to know we let most stuff slide, but after the forum was shut down, the owners specifically briefed us mods on what was and wasn't acceptable going forward.

I would add that personally too I think ANY comparison (mataphoric, exaggerated, in jest, whatever) to Saville is not acceptable. To be honest I'm stunned that anyone would find that post acceptable, the poster himself admitted he'd gone too far.

Oh ffs get off your Shocked and offended Pulpit DB , Ive seen loads of far worse stuff on here .
Give a man a little power and it goes straight to their heads !

Fuck off. Seriously, just fuck off.

Nothing to do with power or being shocked and offended, but there are rules on here and tbh if we were to follow them as they were originally set down before we re-opened we would have banned him instantly. We mods have continuously tried to loosen those rules off in an effort to avoid the life being choked out of the forum and it ending up like the bland as shit Arsenal.con forum. And in fairness to our bosses, GoonerEd and the owner Mike, they have been willing to let us do that. But I'll be honest with you we are only one major blow up away from being shut down at any time. And if we get shut down again because some fucking idiot could not stick to the few simple rules we do have, then we will not be re-opening.

Anyone that compares anyone to Saville is a cúnt in my book. Just like ANYONE that makes the hissing gas noise when we play the scum is a cúnt in my book. Do you make that noise? Would you consider that the actions of a cúnt? I would. There are fucking limits to what is acceptable.

So your choice, mate. We mod the place and keep it open, or we let new posters that don't give a shit about the place, and middle aged wannabe hooligans like you, post whatever the fuck you want and we get shut down again.

100% agree with that DB10. We are probably the most liberal football forum around so if people cannot follow the very few rules that exist then they can simply leave......or get banned!
It really is that simple a choice.

[begeegs]

There are still freebie Centrebacks out there which could do a job for us on a year contract. They aren't world beaters, but they also aren't 5'7" Nacho Monreal playing out of position either. Come on Wenger, get out there and sign one up....

[VAVAVOOM 14]

100% agree with that DB10. We are probably the most liberal football forum around so if people cannot follow the very few rules that exist then they can simply leave......or get banned!
It really is that simple a choice.

Agree.

I learned my lesson when I posted a few pictures with "clunges" on display.

In all seriousness, this is the most lax - and for that reason, most enjoyable - forum i've ever been on.

There are no egos or stifling mods with authority problems, it's just a hilarious place where we can express our views (fu*k Wenger) and enjoy discussing our passion - it's definitely the closest thing on the internet to having a drink and chit chat with your mates.

[Herd]

We do appreciate the sterling work you do on here DB ,we really do !

ButI seriously can't see the harm in the metaphor he used ,Wenger has indeed royally abused our trust in him and a scroll back through this very thread says many of the same things in graphic terms

I am however seriously offended by your your use of the words "Middle aged" and "Wannabee", I'm hurt ,no really I am !