Rainbow Laces Video

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Herd wrote:I can't change how cringeworthy this video is !
I can't change the fact that the Gay Arsenal section is or certainly was for Gay people only (Hetrophobia).

I'm all for inclusion not segregation in all things which is why I don't see why Gay people ,have to have separate themselves from the Arsenal massive whilst asking for acceptance ,its contradictory ! :lol: :lol: :lol:
No it isn't. Homosexuals are the target of verbal and often physical abuse so separating themselves is necessary out of their own best interests until such time that the mainsteam is fully accepting of them.

The point is that they shouldn't have to ask for acceptance. They should be given it unreservedly by all.

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Nos89 wrote:
Arsenal Till I Die wrote:I do like how we can take this piss out of ourselves.


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Its great seeing that our squad seems to have a great self deprecating sense of humour...on top of the video last season with arteta, bfg and podolski responses to twitter criticism, i think its great that the club is doing this sort of thing..though it is strange how you never see Theo and lewis Hamilton in the same place?? :D
I know what yuo mean - whenever THE Arsenal are playing there's never a Formula 1 race at the same time! :rubchin: :rubchin: :rubchin: :D

I think it is partly to do with Wenger and the clubs approach to how the players are allowed to interact with the media....They all received instructions on what they are permitted to say in interviews - How certain phrases are to be employed etc...FFS It wouldn't surprise me if they start using phrases like 'leeetul bit jaded' or ' showed great spirit'...

I know all the prem clubs now teach their players how to conduct themselves in front of the camera's and in interviews - I just think on occasions like this - where the players are allowed a little bit of freedom and so enjoy that relative freedom - I always feel like they want to 'cut loose' sometimes and really tell it like it is...

Still if you're earning £50k - £100k a week why rock the boat? :roll: :?

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gp543 wrote:
Herd wrote:I can't change how cringeworthy this video is !
I can't change the fact that the Gay Arsenal section is or certainly was for Gay people only (Hetrophobia).

I'm all for inclusion not segregation in all things which is why I don't see why Gay people ,have to have separate themselves from the Arsenal massive whilst asking for acceptance ,its contradictory ! :lol: :lol: :lol:
No it isn't. Homosexuals are the target of verbal and often physical abuse so separating themselves is necessary out of their own best interests until such time that the mainsteam is fully accepting of them.

The point is that they shouldn't have to ask for acceptance. They should be given it unreservedly by all.
Until the first top professional Prem Player comes out of the closet - The 'stigma' that is attached to gay men in football will continue - we all know that whoever is courageous enough to come out - will get all kinds of shyte aimed at them - The fans of the opposition will have a field day - and the media whilst feigning acceptance will still get their digs in at every opportunity...

Imagine if a player who is openly gay dives!? - Jeeeezuss his life would be worth nothing !

It's bad enough that our own manager should have to endure being called a Paedophile by the opposition (manure & scum) fans - and their managers/clubs doing sweet FA about it - the likes of rednosecrunt neither saying or doing anything about it - for nigh on 14 seasons, and even then it was a cursory note in their game programme.

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No it isn't. Homosexuals are the target of verbal and often physical abuse so separating themselves is necessary out of their own best interests until such time that the mainsteam is fully accepting of them.
The point is that they shouldn't have to ask for acceptance. They should be given it unreservedly by all.
Codswallop ,preaching integration whilst practicing segregation isn't the way forward .
I have no acceptance to give ,if a persons Gay their Gay , there is absolutely no need for my approval or
acceptance at all .
In life you will find that no-one can give you equality ,freedom or justice , they are things you have to obtain and fight for yourself !
Do you think that this Video will change a Homophobic persons attitude one jot , nope it will most likely entrench his attitude further ?

If you really want to change peoples attitudes in this world you would do better to start at the root of racial and sexual prejudice which is the GOD based religions who declare Homosexuality a sin which is of course rubbish !

Why people look to Highly paid footballers for their moral guidance,and why footballers should take a lead on such matters is completely beyond me !

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Herd wrote:
Why people look to Highly paid footballers for their moral guidance,and why footballers should take a lead on such matters is completely beyond me !
it's just like anything else, they have the platform and the captive audience to get a message out. whether you agree, right or wrong, any amount of celebrity and "the handlers" pounce to push an agenda, whatever it may be

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Herd wrote:
No it isn't. Homosexuals are the target of verbal and often physical abuse so separating themselves is necessary out of their own best interests until such time that the mainsteam is fully accepting of them.
The point is that they shouldn't have to ask for acceptance. They should be given it unreservedly by all.
Codswallop ,preaching integration whilst practicing segregation isn't the way forward .
I have no acceptance to give ,if a persons Gay their Gay , there is absolutely no need for my approval or
acceptance at all .
In life you will find that no-one can give you equality ,freedom or justice , they are things you have to obtain and fight for yourself !
Do you think that this Video will change a Homophobic persons attitude one jot , nope it will most likely entrench his attitude further ?

If you really want to change peoples attitudes in this world you would do better to start at the root of racial and sexual prejudice which is the GOD based religions who declare Homosexuality a sin which is of course rubbish !

Why people look to Highly paid footballers for their moral guidance,and why footballers should take a lead on such matters is completely beyond me !

1. Using the term "segregation" is ridiculous. It's not segregation in the classical sense; that implies something much more systematic and offensive than what is actually occurring in the video/campaign.

2. Are you saying that you are not accepting of homosexuals?

3. All people are born equal with equal rights, homosexuals should not have to fight for their equality.

4. Are you also saying that trying to change bigoted attitudes towards sexuality is a worthwhile pursuit?

5. Footballers lead on such matters because they are some of the most public personas in the entire world.

6. It's not a moral issue. It's a human issue.

7. I'm not surprised that someone whose username is a reference to one of the largest stains on our club, with no place in modern society, is behind the times on this issue.

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1. Using the term "segregation" is ridiculous. It's not segregation in the classical sense; that implies something much more systematic and offensive than what is actually occurring in the video/campaign.
Separation is Segregation in my book they were your words nothing to do with the video !

2. Are you saying that you are not accepting of homosexuals?
I take people for what they are ,their sexuality, skin colour, bothers me not one jot .

3. All people are born equal with equal rights, homosexuals should not have to fight for their equality.
Fully Agree where did I say otherwise [/b
4. Are you also saying that trying to change bigoted attitudes towards sexuality is a worthwhile pursuit?
I wasnt saying anything, education needs to be improved across the board I was merely commentating on the Video.

5. Footballers lead on such matters because they are some of the most public personas in the entire world.
They are footballers not saints it isn't their Job to instill moral values ,this should be done by parents example.

6. It's not a moral issue. It's a human issue.
Agreed that Homosexuality isnt a moral issue ,but education of acceptance is !

7. I'm not surprised that someone whose username is a reference to one of the largest stains on our club, with no place in modern society, is behind the times on this issue.
I think your being bigoted and judgmental which is just what you accused me of .
You obviously didn't understand what I said ,its really not my fault your an idiot .

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It's a great video. It's funny. It's harmless. It has a good message.

Racism, homophobia and sexism are not something you are born with, they are traits learned from other people, or picked up because of your social, religious or cultural environment and/or in a lot of cases by ignorance through poor education. The more we do to educate kids on what is and isn't acceptable the more decent people there will be and the less cuntwound Millwall fans there will be.

The video is not trying to convert a lifelong bigotted homophobe - the idea is to educate the younger kids growing up in the game as players or fans that it's not acceptable to be homophobic. These players are heroes to many kids and they do (for good or bad) influence how kids act and often what they believe and think is acceptable. Since diving came into the English game, how many kids do you see on a Saturday that now think it's ok to dive? I've seen kids on my son's under 10's side doing a Rooney and flinging themselves down and rolling around after zero contact. It's disgusting tbh. I've told my boy in no uncertain terms he EVER does that, he doesn't play for the rest of that season. End of.

Oh, BTW, anyone that thinks Giroud is being serious there needs to look at themselves tbh. :roll: :lol:

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I used to be proud that the Club did the right things the right way (i.e. DB 10's retirement) and I feel the same about this advert.
It's well-made, funny, clearly tongue-in-cheek, and a good thing. It won't stop homophobia but it's a positive thing.

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DB10GOONER wrote:. Since diving came into the English game, how many kids do you see on a Saturday that now think it's ok to dive? I've seen kids on my son's under 10's side doing a Rooney and flinging themselves down and rolling around after zero contact.
Next time that happens take to the pitch and give the wee cu*t a swift pair of laces to gob - that'll learn the bastard!

:lol:

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GranadaJoe wrote:I used to be proud that the Club did the right things the right way (i.e. DB 10's retirement) and I feel the same about this advert.
It's well-made, funny, clearly tongue-in-cheek, and a good thing. It won't stop homophobia but it's a positive thing.
Oh no you dinnint :shock: :lol:

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:
GranadaJoe wrote:I used to be proud that the Club did the right things the right way (i.e. DB 10's retirement) and I feel the same about this advert.
It's well-made, funny, clearly tongue-in-cheek, and a good thing. It won't stop homophobia but it's a positive thing.
Oh no you dinnint :shock: :lol:
:coffeespit:

Blinding spot, Lefty. Don't know how I missed that one!! :lol:

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gp543 wrote:
Herd wrote:
No it isn't. Homosexuals are the target of verbal and often physical abuse so separating themselves is necessary out of their own best interests until such time that the mainsteam is fully accepting of them.
The point is that they shouldn't have to ask for acceptance. They should be given it unreservedly by all.
Codswallop ,preaching integration whilst practicing segregation isn't the way forward .
I have no acceptance to give ,if a persons Gay their Gay , there is absolutely no need for my approval or
acceptance at all .
In life you will find that no-one can give you equality ,freedom or justice , they are things you have to obtain and fight for yourself !
Do you think that this Video will change a Homophobic persons attitude one jot , nope it will most likely entrench his attitude further ?

If you really want to change peoples attitudes in this world you would do better to start at the root of racial and sexual prejudice which is the GOD based religions who declare Homosexuality a sin which is of course rubbish !

Why people look to Highly paid footballers for their moral guidance,and why footballers should take a lead on such matters is completely beyond me !

1. Using the term "segregation" is ridiculous. It's not segregation in the classical sense; that implies something much more systematic and offensive than what is actually occurring in the video/campaign.

2. Are you saying that you are not accepting of homosexuals?

3. All people are born equal with equal rights, homosexuals should not have to fight for their equality.

4. Are you also saying that trying to change bigoted attitudes towards sexuality is a worthwhile pursuit?

5. Footballers lead on such matters because they are some of the most public personas in the entire world.

6. It's not a moral issue. It's a human issue.

7. I'm not surprised that someone whose username is a reference to one of the largest stains on our club, with no place in modern society, is behind the times on this issue.
A bit touchy there mate , sticks in my throat too ! :dancingbanana:

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VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:. Since diving came into the English game, how many kids do you see on a Saturday that now think it's ok to dive? I've seen kids on my son's under 10's side doing a Rooney and flinging themselves down and rolling around after zero contact.
Next time that happens take to the pitch and give the wee cu*t a swift pair of laces to gob - that'll learn the bastard!

:lol:
:lol:

I'd love to. There's one chav kid on my boy's team who turns up (and has done since under 7's :oops: ) with the earing, the luminous green boots, the side parted gelled up footballer hairdo, etc. I wouldn't mind but he's a bit shit too. I've hated that kid from the first time I saw him. :lol:

And then last year and this year especially he's been diving like there's no tomoroow the little cúnt. His "father" is an ubercunt too, roaring and screaming abuse at his own kid, the ref, the oppo coaches. Total fucking bell end. :roll: He used to yell at other kids on our kids' team but a couple of the dads had a quiet word and he's given that bit up. :lol:

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Herd wrote:1. Using the term "segregation" is ridiculous. It's not segregation in the classical sense; that implies something much more systematic and offensive than what is actually occurring in the video/campaign.
Separation is Segregation in my book they were your words nothing to do with the video !

2. Are you saying that you are not accepting of homosexuals?
I take people for what they are ,their sexuality, skin colour, bothers me not one jot .

3. All people are born equal with equal rights, homosexuals should not have to fight for their equality.
Fully Agree where did I say otherwise [/b
4. Are you also saying that trying to change bigoted attitudes towards sexuality is a worthwhile pursuit?
I wasnt saying anything, education needs to be improved across the board I was merely commentating on the Video.

5. Footballers lead on such matters because they are some of the most public personas in the entire world.
They are footballers not saints it isn't their Job to instill moral values ,this should be done by parents example.

6. It's not a moral issue. It's a human issue.
Agreed that Homosexuality isnt a moral issue ,but education of acceptance is !

7. I'm not surprised that someone whose username is a reference to one of the largest stains on our club, with no place in modern society, is behind the times on this issue.
I think your being bigoted and judgmental which is just what you accused me of .
You obviously didn't understand what I said ,its really not my fault your an idiot .

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"Bigoted and judgmental" toward hooligans and hooliganism?

No. I'm merely saying that criminal behavior has no place in our or any club. Anyone who engages in such is not Arsenal but a coward.

Bigotry is something that is based on ethnicity, race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, national origin, disability or socioeconomic status. It has nothing to do with some mental midgets who get lashed up and attempt to injure or kill others for a laugh.

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