Citeh at home match thread.

[SteveO 35]

Had a pretty dreadful weekend and didn't manage to watch the game but set pieces seem to have become a massive massive worry for us again.

And I wouldn't just limit that to set pieces against. When we get one of our many corners or free kicks in dangerous places, is there actually any gameplan or well drilled routine. Set pieces for now seem to consist of letting Alexis do what he wants, and if that fails letting Ozil do likewise.

[milesgooner]

Shock headline - Steve Howard is a f'ing buffoon!

I know I shouldn't be reading the Sun, but he spent a significant proportion of his report slagging off Debuchy for not tracking his marker for the first goal. Does he know what flank he plays on, and was he even at the game? Another hatchet piece from a man that only comes out when their is a hidden agenda.

[VAVAVOOM 14]

Shock headline - Steve Howard is a f'ing buffoon!

I know I shouldn't be reading the Sun, but he spent a significant proportion of his report slagging off Debuchy for not tracking his marker for the first goal. Does he know what flank he plays on, and was he even at the game? Another hatchet piece from a man that only comes out when their is a hidden agenda.

He scribes for a tabloid...That tells you all you really need to know about any so called "journalist": they are either WUMs, have blatant bias/agendas, or are just plain mentally deficient.

I'll never forget after we lost to United 1-0 last November, he opened his match report by saying, "The future champions of England played last night...And I'm not talking about Arsenal", or something to that effect - and we all know how Moyes' United turned out.

[LDB]

Shock headline - Steve Howard is a f'ing buffoon!

I know I shouldn't be reading the Sun, but he spent a significant proportion of his report slagging off Debuchy for not tracking his marker for the first goal. Does he know what flank he plays on, and was he even at the game? Another hatchet piece from a man that only comes out when their is a hidden agenda.

Still a better read than Harry Redknapp's column in that rag in which he uses the first 400 words to reveal that he used to have a cup of tea with whiskey face when he went to old trafford.

[topgoon]

I havent read the other posts here but quite simply Monreal and Ozil are just not good enough . Time we told ozil to pull his finger out of his arse and perform ,
So fab or ozil who would u pick ????

Not a dig just an honest question, are you going to spend the whole F**KING YEAR going on about Fabregas or is it just an early season hormonal thing. He isn't here get the F**K OVER IT ALREADY.

Anyway I agree with everything else in your post.

[Theoperator]

Have been disappointed with BFG in the games hes been in this season. Am worried that his legs aren't going to keep his great positional sense going. With Flamoni and Arteta also slowing down we are really exposed all over the park at the back

Ozil is so so out of form at the moment- always hard to know what to do- bench him and he seems like one whos confidence and shoulders will drop even more.

Bellarin is a good replacement hes exceedingly fast, and may not be as bad as we fear, though obviously a DM/CB should have been signed.. Wonder if theres anyone out of contract lurking we can embarrassingly squeeze in.

Wilshere and Sanchez were great today- get so irritated with bookings for shirt removal, when all over the park players try to remove each others shirts yet nothing comes of that , my misses wants to go and see Sanchez now, but that wont happen again Ive advised her

Also feel that Chambers is rather slow at times too.

Really cant see that Schez could have done any better for either goal- he did well save wise generally and theres often no one on the goal line anyway

Incidentally WTF are the TV commentators on- it was obviously gas & air (Nitrous oxide mix) that Debuchy was given for pain relief- clearly none of the commentators Misses have had kids with them in the delivery room. Theres 20% or so oxygen even in the rarified atmosphere round The Grove, so hardly will help giving him that for pain (Support was great BTW- it was a terrific match for the neutral but exceedingly disappointing for us

[TurnipMasher]

Incidentally WTF are the TV commentators on

Not sure which commentators you had, but I had the joy of listening to ubercrunt Danny Mills. The prick could not keep the joy out of his voice when they equalized. Such a wanker. This can never be watched too much:

http://edge.vncdn.co/vine/videos/2530E0 ... 496566.mp4



As to the game, was disappointing not to win after getting in front but would have taken a point if it was offered before kick-off.

[OneBardGooner]

Having just read the last 3 pages of this thread, it is always interesting to see the spectrum of opinions and comments.

I used to go to games regularly - I cannot afford to anymore - But anyone who still does - and it literally costs your average fan an arm & a leg these days - Then good luck to them - If I could afford it I would still be doing so - alas like many I have been out-priced by the club and the new owners of the game itself.

It would be very easy to be resentful and starting blaming all sorts - It is just how it is - I hate it, But I know that the higher echelons of football and how it is now perceived and run are simply a reflection of the "money is all" society we have created.
I wish I could still go, but I have to accept that it has become a luxury - which I and my family/lifestyle cannot accommodate.

Anyone criticising other long standing fans for prioritising their finances in order to still go week in-week out to support their team does a dis-service to their loyalty.we all would like to go, though some choose not to because of the present manager and owner/s - again that is their choice, I want Wenger Out! - even so at this present time, if I could I would still go and support my team.

As to the state of our team and some of the players. Having made some very good purchases in the Summer, it still became all too evident in yesterdays game that not only is Arteta (sadly) too old to play the DMF (something we all saw last season), but Flamini - who has always had bundles of energy is also deficient - maybe he is still moving towards full match fitness - even so, his rash challenges and lack of football nous was clearly evident, so unless a miracle happens and one of the youngsters from the reserves suddenly emerges - that is going to be a flaw in our defence - wilshere showed glimpses of his talent yesterday but he cannot and will never be the kind of DMF who can boss a game (so, along with the lack of tactics and defensive cohesion needed) and with Debuchy being injured - thankfully no broken bones, but a serious sprain can mean a 2 - 6 weeks absence - means that we have the young fledgling Chambers to play there - he has shown huge potential (and maturity) in his first few games - But he cannot be played for long periods of time or he will burn out and get injured through that tiredness, also he is still learning the game. - so again Wenger has got it wrong (again).

Jenkinson needed to go out on loan to see IF he can be good enough - in the meantime - we have an abundance of Mid-field players - But are thread bare in defence and that's after just 3 prem games, and we are now moving towards the CL games and both the League Cup and FACup rounds will soon be upon us.

As to Ozil - I so hoped that his apparent lack of energy and work rate were part of his coming to terms with the nature of the Prem, he is undoubtedly a suporemely gifted individual - with amazing technique, but he either has to give and do a whole lot more or be benched till he either shapes up or is moved on. The problem is, with his being our most expensive signing Wenger will be very reluctant to leave him out or sell him - preferring to give him first team status over players who can do a far better job and contribute more to the team - Rosicky for example (who wasn't even on the bench yesterday) for all his long term absences is a far better choice at the moment - He has experience and always quickens the tempo we play at - he can attack and defend, he also has a very good footballing brain.

We had The Ox and Santi on the bench yesterday - and when we went ahead (2 - 1) that is when the substitutions should have been made - bring on Arteta and The Ox - to strengthen the mid-field whilst also adding directness in our attack via The Ox, yet again Wenger failed miserably, for someone who keeps harping on about having worked in football for over 30 years he seems to be pretty clueless when it comes to what everyone seems to see and know what is needed to see out a game against very good opposition.

Ozil needs to take a leaf out of the Alexis Sanchez book of how to play - I have yet to see him give less than 100% - yes they are very different players, but both are hugely skilled - we paid £43 million for Ozil and £35 million for Alexis - I know who I think has been the better purchase.

It all seems to come down to one thing (again) our manager and his lack of ability to manage a team full of talent in line with present day expectations in the prem.

Wenger No Longer Knows - sad, but True.

"Tempus enim est mutatio de principatu"

[OneBardGooner]

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Wenger No Longer Knows - sad, but True.

"Tempus enim est mutatio de principatu"

[clockender1]

Have been disappointed with BFG in the games hes been in this season. Am worried that his legs aren't going to keep his great positional sense going. With Flamoni and Arteta also slowing down we are really exposed all over the park at the back

me too. i'm starting to understand why Germany dropped him for the latter stages of the world cup.


yes, flamini left his man but per should have got across and cut that out.

i like both kos and per but every single game one or the other makes a mistake.

[Brady's left peg]

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Wenger No Longer Knows - sad, but True.

"Tempus enim est mutatio de principatu"

This 100%

[Herd]

We started well then they tried their very best to kick us off the park ,after going 1-0 down I thought we were going to get raped.
That we didn't is a credit to us but playing end to end football is like playing pass the parcel with a hand grenade, sooner or later it will blow up in your face .

I thought Wellbeck was great and Sanchez proved his class whilst Wilhsere put in a massive shift, but that defending from the corner was woeful and Chez didnt look happy on a number of occasions.

You can blame per all u want BUT when u have a guy like him who is slow you need protection from your midfield and Flamini cant provide that neither can Arteta so we will continue to struggle against anyone with pace !

Small steps here small steps ,but I do think we made progress.

[RayC]

This is like a training exercise for City.

I feel sorry for all the mugs who paid £80-£100 a ticket for this crap

I like getting home from the game and reading the thread and respect most peoples opinion.
Hate reading dickheads calling our support mugs. Fair enough if you don't want to go to the game but don't slag off people who do. I'm a season ticket holder, I know we pay stupid money to go and see our team but thats what I go to work and earn money to do. I love going to see my team.
Do I want it to be like it used to be?....of course.
Do I want to pay less?....obviously.
Do I want to be driven out of my club and replaced by tourists?....fucking never!!

Wind your neck in and stop calling people mugs who go and support your team whilst your sat at at home you prick.
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Totally agree. I've been stuck here in Aussie for 40 odd years supporting the team as best I can. By watching them on the telly & buying all the Gunners clobber for kids & grand kids.I envy those who go each week to support the club home or away, but would just love to be with them. Seems to me the prick who thinks those supporters are "mugs' needs a little slap !!.
Pity about the result. Watching it on the box I woke up when the score was 2-1 & thaught it was in the bag. Crap marking from the corner cost us again. Come on Bouldy - get stuck in to them.

[DB10GOONER]

This is like a training exercise for City.

I feel sorry for all the mugs who paid £80-£100 a ticket for this crap

I like getting home from the game and reading the thread and respect most peoples opinion.
Hate reading dickheads calling our support mugs. Fair enough if you don't want to go to the game but don't slag off people who do. I'm a season ticket holder, I know we pay stupid money to go and see our team but thats what I go to work and earn money to do. I love going to see my team.
Do I want it to be like it used to be?....of course.
Do I want to pay less?....obviously.
Do I want to be driven out of my club and replaced by tourists?....fucking never!!

Wind your neck in and stop calling people mugs who go and support your team whilst your sat at at home you prick.
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Totally agree. I've been stuck here in Aussie for 40 odd years supporting the team as best I can. By watching them on the telly & buying all the Gunners clobber for kids & grand kids.I envy those who go each week to support the club home or away, but would just love to be with them. Seems to me the prick who thinks those supporters are "mugs' needs a little slap !!.
Pity about the result. Watching it on the box I woke up when the score was 2-1 & thaught it was in the bag. Crap marking from the corner cost us again. Come on Bouldy - get stuck in to them.

All three of you - drop the personal abuse.

[DB10GOONER]

Best performance of the season so far BUT we are not firing on all cylinders. As Alexis and Jack where awesome Rambo was poor.

Couldn't figure out what chesney was doing for their second goal, seeing it real time it looked like the defender may have done a better job clearing the ball than chesney palming it into the net!

Wellbeck had a good game and was very unlucky not to score (can we fire who made those goalposts?), loved his workrate off the ball. He looks diff class to both Giroud and dare I say it Podolski.

Whilst I agree Welbeck had a good debut I'd disagree he looks different class to Giroud or Podolski. He is a different type of player to both. Like both Giroud and Pod, Welbeck has good points and bad. He won absolutely zero balls in the air, all balls Giroud would have won and has won in every game he's played. Also his link up play is not as neat as Giroud's. But he matches him for effort and is far far more mobile and pacey. To get the best out of Welbeck we need to stop hoofing the ball up to him with his back to goal, he just doesn't have the strength or leap to win those balls, that works well with Giroud but not Welbeck. As for Pod, if he'd had that ball at his feet he'd have slotted it. Absolutely no doubt. Trying the chip was imaginative but ultimately if you don't score from trying something like that then you've made the wrong choice.

For me, Welbeck had a good-ish debut, not great. But there is certainly potential there - IF Wenger uses him right and adapts the play to suit his strengths. Which we all know he won't. Cue SanoGoals starting again and Welbeck on the bench or out wide within two or three games.