THE WENGER THREAD

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dPmunky wrote:
The BBC wrote:It's raining goals in Rome where Roma are now 4-0 up against CSKA Moscow, Gervinho helping himself to two of them. The former Arsenal man has scored as many goals in one Champions League game for the Serie A club as he did in 11 matches for the Gunners.
wonder why he couldnt finish for us, can any of his woes be placed on wenger? How many players now, have left and seemingly gotten better? or am i just piling on? :banghead:

wenger out...yesterday!
After a quick check I can tell you he had a decentish record of 1 goal every 3 games playing for Lille (36 in 93).
With us it was 1 in 6 (11 in 63), now at Roma he is back to 1 in 3 (13 in 38) not including tonights brace, and assist.
Could it be he in playing in his preferred position and not bit part winger.

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OneBardGooner wrote:
rodders999 wrote:I haven't the stomach for 2 and a half more years of this, I hosnestly don't. I'm at an all time low with my feelings towards the manager and I can't go on living like this. I allow football and Arsenal to shape my life and it's not on to those around me anymore.

Last season I stupidly believed was his last, so even after every debacle, every hammering I saw a light at the end of the tunnel. Now all I see is darkness and despair. I can't walk away from it but I can't go on with it either. What can I do? :banghead:

I know Exactly How You feel Rodders!...It Cannot Go Continue....I didn’t think I could be made to feel any more miserable about the state of our club and the utter ineptitude of our manager, but last night was a new low for me, it was embarrassing, completely and wholly unnecessary and without question yet another dark mark on the club we all care about and love. It truly has reached the point where just seeing him and hearing his voice gets me angry.

After last night’s abysmal display of a half-hearted attempt to play as a team I honestly believe that the only way those of us who genuinely want “Wenger Out” will have to take matters into our own hands, [sorry Augie but the idea of us having a whip round for a Hit Man, though very imaginative on your part and whilst appealing isn’t feasible.]

So, we have to use all legal and reasonable means to get him out.
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Inundating the Club and The Man Himself day after day with letters calling for his resignation, phoning the various radio football programmes so that it gets to the point where every other caller is a voice of opposition to his tenure as manager, and of course protesting in person outside and inside the ground/s both home and away. [Who’s got THE Banner?] And of course there’s the rub, anyone voicing or demonstrating opposition to this very comfy and very profitable status quo, faces being ejected from the ground, perhaps even being banned, as well as threats and acts of violence from the sheeple who blind and stupid beyond belief are willing to allow this charade continue without a murmur of descent, it is obscene and so if we are serious about getting him out – rather than wait THREE YEARS! [jeeeesus I cannot bear it!] we need to organise and ACT!, but do so in a manner where we state clearly and concisely our reasons why:

We have a world class player in Mezut Ozil – regardless of what some may think of his commitment and contribution on the pitch, he is Class, just as are Alexis Sanchez. But it is crystal clear that he is not happy being played on the flanks – no surprises there then – as our manager thinks he can play an individual regardless of their ability and speciality. The thing this isn’t the first time we have had a player with top credentials come to the club during Wenger’s tenure as manager – and for that player to be played totally out of position and against their natural placing and ability.

Wenger's lack of tactical knowledge and his inability to be able to ‘change a game’ by means of tactics; change of formation, change of personnel etc on the pitch is inexcusable.

You can set your watch by the timing of his substitutions, IF he deems to make any – and that as always is far too late to affect the situation on the pitch. Had he made the necessary and obvious substitutions after we went into the lead against $hitty we could have secured all 3 points, but he seems incapable of grasping even the most simple of tactical notions.

He continually buys players of a kind – physically small, albeit gifted and skilled players, who he not only then plays out of their natural and preferred position, but they end up being bullied and physically out-muscled by teams who though far less skilled and able, end up being able to beat us.

He refuses to acknowledge the deficiencies in both the squad and in himself.
At the end of last season, we needed a Striker, a Defensive Mid-fielder and at least one centre back, he then let’s Vermaelen go, and his solution is to sign Chambers, indeed a young player with much, but as yet unproven potential, who due to Wenger’s not buying adequate cover for the back line may now be forced to play at Right Back due to Debuchy’s long term injury, a long term injury that if going by previous seasons the team were bound to encounter at some point during this season.
He has not attended to the most vital of our deficiencies that of a Holding Mid-Fielder – and that lack of managerial duties in the transfer market came home to roost last night, when we were overrun because the player he has as both our holding mid-fielder and captain – is too old
How is that other top managers have a team of coaches to ‘coach’ the players and the attack, mid-field and defence of their team, during his last 7 years at manure rednose employed coaches specifically expert in those fields. But not Wenger he insists on over seeing every aspect of the team and club, to the point where it has become like a despotic business, even the board seem fully aware of what he is doing, but because the profit increases year after year (at the cost of the fans who have to bear the burden of ticket price increases whilst having to watch the name and reputation of their club erode before their very eyes).
There are numerous other reasons and examples of his inability and ineptitude as a manager, and yet here he is still managing our club long, long after he should have been replaced.

So who’s serious about getting shot of him???
Problem is mate only probably 200 on this forum go to the games, it's convincing the 59,800 others.....

If truth be told, and this is something I thought I'd never be saying it will need the results to get worse and worse and the ground turns on wenger persistently week in week out - then and only then could it become possible.... Failing that it will prob take the 3 years to get rid by that time I just hope we ain't the total laughing stock were fast becoming....

Sorry Arsene, kroenke, Gazidis - I've stuck by accepting the excuses etc etc but enough is enough....

WENGER OUT. KROENKE OUT, GAZIDIS OUT. There I've said it - gutted.


Personally I'd love to see bergkamp back as number 2 along with klopp as number 1, failing that pep guardiola please....

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dPmunky wrote:
The BBC wrote:It's raining goals in Rome where Roma are now 4-0 up against CSKA Moscow, Gervinho helping himself to two of them. The former Arsenal man has scored as many goals in one Champions League game for the Serie A club as he did in 11 matches for the Gunners.
wonder why he couldnt finish for us, can any of his woes be placed on wenger? How many players now, have left and seemingly gotten better? or am i just piling on? :banghead:

wenger out...yesterday!


Because he is shit 8)

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I dont understand why a lot of fans lump Gazidis and Kronke in along with their criticism of Wenger. Its almost like they are afraid to apportion ALL the blame on Wenger.

The seeds that we are sowing today and in previous seasons were sown by Wenger before those two came to us with his vanity project.
They dont set the team up the same regardless of the opposition. They dont pre-determine the subs for the 70th min. They dont play strikers and no. 10's on the wing. They have zero input into training, tactics ( or lack of), or any on-field mattters.

They didnt make Almunia captain and claim he was "world class". They didnt sign bendtner and keep him for, like, forever. Nor are they responsible for the lack of motivation or desire we often see from the players. Or the continual year on year failure to strengthen the squad in key and obvious (to everyone who hasnt worked half a day in football) areas

What they are responsible for is allowing Wenger to maintain his stranglehold on almost every aspect of the club and for not replacing him with a younger, forward thinking manager like Martinez, Klopp, Rogers or even Guardiola years ago.

Dont get me wrong, Gazidis and Kronke are far from clean with their Arsenalization and ticket and season ticket policies, but its down to Wenger that we get embarrassed at City, the Bridge, Old Trafford and even Anfield in recent seasons, and the fact that we are as far away from winning the PL or CL as ever

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The gripes against Wenger, Kroneke and Gazidis are all different in my opinion.

I see what you are getting at Armchair.

Wenger for now is the main problem; tactics, training drills and squad balance leave me doubtful we will win the league this season.

Kroenke at least has now loosened the purse strings after initial prudence, though he has corporatised the club massively and as much as I say ticket prices are high across football, I think he wants to raise them further which I think is too much in this recession, but as business man if he can get away with it he probably will.

Gazidis is a mixed bunch.

He is a genuine football man.

Sure he has spoken in the past about how we have frozen season ticket prices whilst this being a half-truth; Gold Tickets froze but Silver and Platinum rose.
I still remain upset about that.

But on the other hand he is believed to have helped convince the board to limit price rises away from the massive rises some board members wanted.

And he is approachable, he does reply to emails (in most cases, though the case of Mick Docherty rankles) and is said to be well respected by fellow staff members.

And he did push the "Arsenalisation" programme which I think is a good thing and has been done well, a minor touch maybe but done well with respect to former players and current fans.

And it is believed though I cannot prove it, that he is in the camp of board members who has pushed Wenger to go and spend on players in the last two seasons.

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I include all 3 as they are all in it together, I don't have time to elaborate on here as I'd run out pages but my gripes start at the top and end at the bottom. From football matters to stadium matters.

But as this is a wenger views only thread I guess I'll keep it to wenger only ....

WENGER OUT

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Gervinho was *shit* for Arsenal but now massive for Roma as he was with Lille prior to joining us. Vela was *shit* for Arsenal but is now mainstay at Sociedad. Common denominator? Wenger turns players to shit....

Arsene Wenger : Turning stars to *shit* since 2008

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:lol: :lol:
foxinthebox2001 wrote:
dPmunky wrote:
The BBC wrote:It's raining goals in Rome where Roma are now 4-0 up against CSKA Moscow, Gervinho helping himself to two of them. The former Arsenal man has scored as many goals in one Champions League game for the Serie A club as he did in 11 matches for the Gunners.
wonder why he couldnt finish for us, can any of his woes be placed on wenger? How many players now, have left and seemingly gotten better? or am i just piling on? :banghead:

wenger out...yesterday!
After a quick check I can tell you he had a decentish record of 1 goal every 3 games playing for Lille (36 in 93).
With us it was 1 in 6 (11 in 63), now at Roma he is back to 1 in 3 (13 in 38) not including tonights brace, and assist.
Could it be he in playing in his preferred position and not bit part winger.
the evidence continues to stack up against Wenger. Funnily enough if you play players out of position they dont play as well - who would have thought it! :lol:

and then there is our ongoing injury problems. Funnily enough if you keep playing the same players game after game they get injured - who would have thought it! :lol:

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Salvage wrote:Gervinho was *shit* for Arsenal but now massive for Roma as he was with Lille prior to joining us. Vela was *shit* for Arsenal but is now mainstay at Sociedad. Common denominator? Wenger turns players to shit....

Arsene Wenger : Turning stars to *shit* since 2008


Shite leagues might also be a factor (take barca and 2 madrids from spain and you have a poor league) :roll: I'm not a wenker fan at all, but the forehead couldn't control the ball most of the time and you cant blame the manager for that - the miss at Bradford will live long in the memory :roll: :oops: :cussing: :cussing:

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Unbelievable!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... holes.html
Now the window has closed AW realises he has no centre back cover. With how much funds available?
Now he knows he f**ked up and has to scramble around for an overage freebie.
In any other industry the manager would be sacked for gross negligence.
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Fast forward to three years later, we could still be saying wenger out and he could still be here tormenting us. That to me is what I call fucking depressing.

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clockender1 wrote:my only hope is somehow wenger leaves himself with no ammunition - he has a million excuses all the time. we need to lose on a consistant basis and to be sitting 6th/7th in December and staying 3rd or 4th in the CL.

our run of games is :

Villa - A
Sperm - H
Chavs - A

then

Hull - H
Sunderland - A
Burnley - H
Swansea - A

which if we only pick up 1 point in the first three, and 6 from the next 4, is achievable i think.

the Hull and Burnley games are crucial if wenger is to go - we have to fail to win those.....

sad its come to this but :banghead:
Villa away and the NLD are nailed on wins, these are exactly the type of games that always get Wenger out of jail, Villa have been way lucky this season to be where they are, I mean they've got Senderos at centre half for fucks sake

As for Tottenham they always seem to be there to bail Wenger out so my guess is a comfortable win at Villa and scrape past Totts and all will be rosy in the Wenger garden again.

Of course we'll lose at Chelsea but probably manage to avoid the thrashing we got last year and have a penalty turned down or whatever so Wenger can blame the ref and then its carry on as you were

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I actually believe he will be hoping for an early red card at Chelsea, hopefully before Fab crashes in/sets up the 2nd goal so he can use it as an excuse.
Although that has happened before and he still blamed the red card for the defeat.

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foxinthebox2001 wrote:I actually believe he will be hoping for an early red card at Chelsea, hopefully before Fab crashes in/sets up the 2nd goal so he can use it as an excuse.
Although that has happened before and he still blamed the red card for the defeat.
Believe me it's going to be humiliating, right up there with old trafford, I'm going for a record premier defeat, and not just one suffered by us.
Wenker fuck off now!!!!!!!!!

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Get Wenger out and Diaby too.

get that jergan clump - dormand bloke or whatever his name is to manage us he looks the bollocks where wenger just looks bollocks.
play ozil in a proper position - get a fucking hard bastard defensive midfilder and we mite have a chance.

same old same old this year - i really got excited at the begining of the transfer season, not now!

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