THE WENGER THREAD

[DB10GOONER]

With all due respect to you guys, that is a fairly shitty way to make these comparison and I'm saying that even though I realise that many fans would see it the same way as ye. Henry won those trophies because he was part of an outstanding team and squad, and whilst he was a heavy dose of icing on the cake (so to speak), there is no doubt that he won those trophies because of the team that was built around him. Henry won medals with PV4 and a strong defence behind him and I will stake my life that he would have fcuk all with the team of (mostly) c*nts that have populated our team in recent seasons
It is one of life's real tragedies that cesc won nothing during his time with us - like him now or not, I don't think it can be disputed that his play and commitment whilst with us deserved far more

I think you might have misread me there, augie. I actually said "through absolutely no fault of his own" Cesc won nothing. I was making the point that this was the reason some/many fans give him a harder ride than THBW14. It's their perception of success with Henry and failure with Cesc. I for one would never question the commitment Cesc made to the cause (bar that last season when he wanted out) and still to this day think Wenger fucked up by not buying in quality and building the side around him, particularly in 2008.

[OneBardGooner]

TH14 may have gone to the barcawhores - But they had been chasing him for ages - and both he and Arsenal had resisted, when it eventually came it was at a time when he was (as a player) beginning to lose his pace - also it happened when he was going through a very messy separation and divorce - He knew the mediascum here would 'do a job on him' for his infidelity etc.

His leaving was a sad, sad day for me.

TH14 was, is and ALWAYS will be a Bona Fide Arsenal Legend.

nuff sed.

[OneBardGooner]

BBC Football :
"Mathieu Debuchy: Arsenal defender out for three months

Arsenal right-back Mathieu Debuchy will be out for about three months after undergoing surgery on an ankle injury.
The 29-year-old was stretchered off against Manchester City on 13 September after falling and damaging ligaments.
Gunners boss Arsene Wenger said the operation "went well" but added that Debuchy's extended absence "is a blow".
"How big it will be we will only know afterwards as it will be down to how well we replace him. "We bought [Calum] Chambers for that" added Wenger.
Chambers, who signed in a £16m deal from Southampton in July, was also injured after the draw with City so Spaniard Hector Bellerin, 19, replaced Debuchy in a 2-0 Champions League defeat at Borussia Dortmund.
Also 19, Chambers returned for the Premier League win over Aston Villa last Saturday and is now set for a lengthy run in the side."

Oh! Noooo he didn't know we were going to suffer any injuries - we never do do we Wenker - How long before the youngsetr suffers an injury through burnout !? - Wenker you useless CEEEEUUUNNTTT!

[clockender1]

Again I don't disagree with that sentiment if he applies it to one and all - funny thing is though, that no Gooner berates henry for joining barca but many continually slate cesc for doing so even though cesc was joining his hometown club Why are they treated differently ? Both had spent 12 months trying to engineer their moves to barca so were equally wrong imo

Henry gets off easier because he's a legend and helped win trophies for the club; people remember what he did for us and thus hold him in high esteem - regardless of his move away.

and he's come back on loan twice - is always seen at our games during the MLS break etc etc.

for me, seeing cesc is a chelsea shirt is the same as seeing petit in one, or vieira in a city shirt - their moves didn't work out and wenger didn't want them back.

having lost so many quality players, i no longer am bitter about any of them - even RvP - because there was absolutely no reason financially that we couldn't have bought an Ozil or Sanchez in 2011/12. none at all.

RvP gave wonga an ultimatum, buy and challenge, or i'm off.

wonga was still into his project and so RvP left.

In hindsight RvP was right wasn't he ?

[SPUDMASHER]

Given the poor state of our team at the time RVP left, and the obvious intention to continue the project, you cannot really blame any player that chose to leave. I don't blame RVP at all. I don't like the way that he went to a rival but you cannot blame a player for going somewhere else when he believes he may win some medals.
At the end of their careers players want to look back on successes, not loyalty to a lost cause. The project was a lost cause!

[DB10GOONER]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

[augie]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

Nobody is defending him going to manure because the blame for that decision lies above him

Two answers to your question -

1. If winning medals were all important to him (as they should be) then he needed to go to a big club and as you rightly say, no big club wanted him before that season. Leaving to join a small club did not suit his agenda so he left when his only shot of medals came along

2. Time was running out for him - when players are younger they feel that they have plenty of time to win medals but time was running out for him and he couldn't wait around for le project any longer

[DB10GOONER]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

Nobody is defending him going to manure because the blame for that decision lies above him

Two answers to your question -

1. If winning medals were all important to him (as they should be) then he needed to go to a big club and as you rightly say, no big club wanted him before that season. Leaving to join a small club did not suit his agenda so he left when his only shot of medals came along

2. Time was running out for him - when players are younger they feel that they have plenty of time to win medals but time was running out for him and he couldn't wait around for le project any longer

They were rhetorical questions, augie.

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

Absolutely, rvj is and will always be an übercunt

Hmmm, and then Augie defends him, trying to put 2 and 2 together here, anyone

[DB10GOONER]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

Absolutely, rvj is and will always be an übercunt

Hmmm, and then Augie defends him, trying to put 2 and 2 together here, anyone

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

I have very mixed feelings about this. I agree 100% what you say but on the other hand I feel why shouldn't he left Arsenal as they couldn't give him a real chance of winning something. As Augie pointed out above, at his age it was time to make a crucial decision.

The fact that he forced his way out and went to manure is disgusting though. Meh, I really don't know how I feel about this, mostly disgusted I guess.

[augie]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

Absolutely, rvj is and will always be an übercunt

Hmmm, and then Augie defends him, trying to put 2 and 2 together here, anyone

And I'm sure that other forum members are thinking the same about you and that short arsed jackeen mod as well

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

I will never EVER agree with anyone that RVJC was somehow "justified" in going to Manure and in making his demands. Never. It's totally different to ANY OTHER player that has left. He spent 7 seasons on the treatment table. He never put his body on the line for Arsenal. He never played through the pain. He was paid huge wages to sit on that treatment table and became a millionaire.

The minute he had a spell of fitness and form, he gets mouthy and starts making demands of the club? Issuing ultimatums? No, fuck that. That is not acceptable. I've said this a million times on here and I will fucking say it again. WHY DID HE NOT MAKE HIS DEMANDS DURING ALL THE SEASONS HE WAS LAZING AROUND ON THE TREATMENT TABLE? Why not then? We were obviously not progressing as a team even then. Why wait til he's fit and has just had a good season? Because he would NEVER have had a big club look at him during that period of years he spent perma-injured. NO ONE would have paid his huge wages.

He thought about one thing only. Himself.

Now I'm not naive enough to think any modern footballer will put the club before their own self interest, but RVJC of all people OWED Arsenal and he OWED Wenger (wether the project was right or wrong, that is a seperate issue in this). He OWED loyalty to the club and the manager that stood by him and paid him millions whilst he delivered fucking nothing in return for years. It's about loyalty and integrity and I don't give a shit if modern players don't value those things - I do. And any cúnt that doesn't value those things is just that; a cúnt.

RVJC did what was best for him but it was dishonest, lacking in decency and integrity and was morally wrong.

TBH it sickens me to hear Gooners defend RVJC as if he was morally right or justified in what he did.

Absolutely, rvj is and will always be an übercunt

Hmmm, and then Augie defends him, trying to put 2 and 2 together here, anyone

And I'm sure that other forum members are thinking the same about you and that short arsed jackeen mod as well

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[augie]

No need for words.....the article says it all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rove.co.uk

[DB10GOONER]

No need for words.....the article says it all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... rove.co.uk

Fuck's sake. Oh look - grey is grey! John Terry is a cúnt! The Pope is a Catholic! Bears shit in the woods!

Durham. Tell us something that we don't know, you fucking idiot. Absolute shite writing from a fucking idiot.

Funniest of all, I quote;

"Arsenal fans have spent the last decade getting too much praise for beating opponents they should beat".

I had no idea our firm was back in action...