As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Bradywasking wrote:The Curbishley verdict on SSN. He hints at Wenger staying too long but says the banner is wrong , says the dissenters /banner carriers are obviously only supporting Arsenal six years so don't know what Wenger has done for the club (paraphrasing here.)
Curbishley is a twat. So too McManacunt. That ex-bin dipper wanker actually used the words "turn on the manager at the drop of a hat" at one point and acted all offended and disgusted by the banner. The stupid fuckwit.
Maybe someone should let wiggy know that he could get Simoene or klopp for half of Wengers wages.
That's £4m a year that could be used for a "consultancy fee" for some company or other that has nothing to do with him taking money from the club.....honest.
Goonerpath wrote:Whilst I’m more than ready for change I do raise the question of what getting rid of Wenger will actually improve? The boards hidden agenda will remain the same.
I spoke with a Chelsea fan at length recently about how a large proportion of fans are sick and tired of Wenger’s transfer policies, failure to strengthen in key areas, tactical ineptitude, playing players out of position, rigid wage structure and generally lack of a challenge at the very top. But what he rightly pointed out is how can we expect to compete with the oil money of Sheik Mansour and Roman Abramovich? The sad reality is the top 3 places will be dominated by City, Chelsea and Utd for years to come. I think ultimately fans are sick and tired of being fed this illusion that we can compete at the very top but actually paying top dollar to watch a mediocre team struggle. I would have some respect for Wenger if he came out and spoke the truth but he is happy to rake in his 7mil a year and be the board's puppet. The prices we pay should reflect that of the performances we see on the pitch and that of the team’s season expectations (which is to get in the top 4 every year). It’s the lack of transparency which is my biggest gripe. The board cannot honestly expect us to a) believe that the current squad is good enough to win the PL / CL and b) that we can actually compete for players with the financial clout of the elite teams. Even with a manager who could motivate and squeeze the best out of each player every game (as fergie did in his final year) I still don’t think it would be enough. The squad is not good enough. City, Chelsea and Utd have players better than us every area of the pitch (excluding Utd’s defence and Sanchez). We are 4th richest club in the PL is it any coincidence we are 4th every year? I don't think so, you get what you pay for in the modern game.
I fear even with Wenger out we will still be in a similar position if not worse although I’m ready to run the risk for the sake of change. The truth is the success of Klopp & Simeone at clubs with limited resources were one-offs and it remains to be seen whether the same feat could be replicated in the PL, It would require something miraculous. I’m not convinced anyone could pull it off, not the way football is. Do we think Pep, Mourinho or Klopp would be winning titles with this Arsenal team?
Football has become so predictable that until the football governing bodies actually do something it will remain so. Chelsea & City have both worked out ways around FFP restrictions, Chelsea snapping the best young talent around the world then selling for a profit (e.g Romelu Lukaku) and City who aim to own 5 clubs around the world so they can still sign players for those clubs but they can loan them in instead (something along those lines). Money talks and these clubs employ staff to devise ways round these pathetic FFP rules.
A protest is all well and good, we get Wenger out but then what? What is the long term goal here? Do we want Usmanov’s dirty money in order to compete?
I cannot realistically see us challening for titles anytime soon (with or without Wenger). Sorry to be pessimistic but that is the reality.
Usnavov's money may be 'dirty' as you put it - But in high finance these days be it football or any other money making scheme - and let's be honest that IS what Prem Football has become - Then ALL money is dirty...
And if it must (regrettably) be that way - Then we may as well get some trophies and so happiness out of it...
Whether we like it or not the day of the fan is over - we are now all customers.....
Bradywasking wrote:The Curbishley verdict on SSN. He hints at Wenger staying too long but says the banner is wrong , says the dissenters /banner carriers are obviously only supporting Arsenal six years so don't know what Wenger has done for the club (paraphrasing here.)
Curbishley is a twat. So too McManacunt. That ex-bin dipper wanker actually used the words "turn on the manager at the drop of a hat" at one point and acted all offended and disgusted by the banner. The stupid fuckwit.
Yeah! I saw that too - the cunht - what with that scousescumthievingtwat and owen doing the punditry - it is something of a scouselovein where you have to check your petrol cap, wheels and hubcaps are still there after the game..
Owen is not only a useless fuckwit of a pundit - he actually has an "Ugly Voice" - it really make me wretch...
So according to all these knowitall nobody's there is Nop Right Time To Bring Out The Banner!?
"If you live with me, you will see seven days of commitment " - to what Arsene ?
Making money ?
Where were you during the break Arsene ? - working on the training pitch with the fringe players, or meeting with the fitness and medical staff to discuss the 4th year of a huge injury list ?
No, after getting dropped by TF1 you were away for a week with a new paid gig with Be1N where you commented on two France friendlies and titted about on their weekend show playing keepy uppy.
and dont forget that the scouts are out looking for players 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year...and we still can't get anyone to take Diaby's place in the squad
oh, where was he the previous break ? - when by miracles of miracles, he didn't have a paid TV gig in France ?
yes, he was holding a paid "leadership conference" at the Emirates - one can only assume this was alongside the designers of the Hindenberg and the Captain of the Titanic.....
If there is anyone worse than Wenger, then its the media, what spineless pieces of shit they are. When we lose a game or two, they are happy to go with populist opinion and slate Wenger, but are then there to lick his ass when we beat a crap Dortmund team, and an equally shit West Brom team( who hit the crossbar, and had a bad offside decision given against them). Ive always said nothing will ever change until the media have the balls to call Wenger on his shit, but as we know that will never happen.
I can't stand all this Arsenal fans should be grateful because Wanker built the ground or that the ground will be his lasting legacy. Bollocks to that because he's not a builder and not an architect. He's a football manager and as such, his attention should have always been on that. Fair enough we moved ground but I can't imagine Fergie or Maureen or even Fatty Benitez just shrugging their shoulders and saying: "Oh, well. At least I helped move ground." He should have been on at the board every single fucking day asking for money to strengthen the team, telling them to find new ways of raising money because the team is what counts not the fucking building and if money wasn't available, he should have demanded that they put their own money into the club. If we had no money, he should have told them to raise some, if there was money and he wasn't getting it, then he should have walked out and if money was available then he should have been sacked for not spending it. The fact that he has so much power at this club and happily sat back and watched us get weaker and weaker and sell our best players instead of using it to force change means I have no respect for him.
It’s all somewhat unpleasant, but if Arsenal were having a great season then this wouldn’t be happening. Wenger’s team have underperformed this year, and wins over struggling Dortmund and West Brom don’t change that. thats more like it!
and since when has Nancy and GRampus 8, been "top level" .....you can hardly call Japan a top level and yes Arsene, Nancy were 9th in Ligue 1 when you got them, but unfortunately, you took them down to 18th the next year and only avoided relegation by a play off, but you did the job next year didn't you ? - relegated outright and you resigned.....
The reason why i want him out and for this Protest to carry on is that he does NOT have a clue. Its all well saying that we can't compete against other clubs as they have more money. Bollock to that, any good manager would work out how to play against certain teams, he doesn't !!!! weve been crying out for years we need a Def Mid , goalkeeper and Centre back, what does he do??fucking nothing!! we win against WBA and everything is Okay, bollocks winning againts smaller teams does NOT win you anything
Take my hat off to the GOONERS that showed the Flag and showed how most of us feel. !!!!
His taking the piss out of us and has been for years.....
Alisher Umanov - $16.9 Billion
Stan Kroenke - $5.8 Billion
Roman Ibramovich - $9.6 Billion
Wish people would stop using the money argument for an excuse, there's a big difference between not having the money and the money not being available to be spent.
Surely as a 'Top' manager he should be putting forward compelling arguments to the board to try to convince the major shareholders to release more money to the club, in my mind there has to be a reason the money isn't forthcoming and i would guess at least part of that is lack of confidence in the money being spent wisely.
I know this is an oversimplification of the facts but then in my opinion the 'oil money' and 'stadium' excuses are exactly the same and have been too often used to gloss over Arsenes own repeated failings.
We have 2 extremely wealthy shareholders simple fact!
Alisher Umanov - $16.9 Billion
Stan Kroenke - $5.8 Billion
Roman Ibramovich - $9.6 Billion
Wish people would stop using the money argument for an excuse, there's a big difference between not having the money and the money not being available to be spent.
Surely as a 'Top' manager he should be putting forward compelling arguments to the board to try to convince the major shareholders to release more money to the club, in my mind there has to be a reason the money isn't forthcoming and i would guess at least part of that is lack of confidence in the money being spent wisely.
I know this is an oversimplification of the facts but then in my opinion the 'oil money' and 'stadium' excuses are exactly the same and have been too often used to gloss over Arsenes own repeated failings.
We have 2 extremely wealthy shareholders simple fact!
The money argument made a bit of sense when we had a lot of academy graduates in our team, but it doesn't any longer. Of our starting line up on Saturday, only Martinez and Flamini came through the academy, and Flamini fucked off for five 5 years. We buy players just like the other clubs do, but we have a penny pinching manager, so somehow we should be appalled by other teams buying players.
