THE WENGER THREAD

[Ikechukwu1]

You want fans to put their feelings across in a calm, structured and cohesive manner? Invite them to the AGM then, and stop fucking stage-managing it in the way that you do these days...

There was a time when Le Fraud held an annual Q&A with fans. He was asked certain questions, that weren't crass or abusive btw - that he didn't like and the event was cancelled. He cut off the only avenue supporters had to communicate with him. You can't criticise him or bring banners into The Pyongyang Stadium as they'll be confiscated before you're sent to hard labour camp. Yet, similar banners praising Our Dear a Leader are to be permitted! The manager had made plain his contempt for the fans, he's insulted us SO many times. He treats the club like his plaything.
Like it or not, that train station moment is another watershed moment for the Wenger Out movement.
Because unlike those cult braindead zombies that went on a love parade for him, this station abuse has been publicised everywhere. No amount of twitter campaigns could come close. It's more humiliation for Wenger and more pressure. It adds to the discontent stories. It makes uncomfortable viewing for Le Fluteur de Spunk. It's a great moment.
I especially love this notion that a man who's picked up over £70mil in personal wealth over the past decade of rubbish, needs to be afforded "respect" by us minimum wage plebs

Respect is a two-way street. It's earned, and Wenker using our club as a platform for his personal shite ego projects is unacceptable

[SteveO 35]

You can't criticise him or bring banners into The Pyongyang Stadium as they'll be confiscated before you're sent to hard labour camp. Yet, similar banners praising Our Dear a Leader are to be permitted!

Yep, no abusive banners at the bowl thanks.....oh unless it's xenophobic abuse aimed at our second largest shareholder.....in which case we'll let it be proudly displayed and endorsed by Red Wanktion. They definitely aren't to blame for it though ! And because it was done a few years it's all ok now......great argument

[Ikechukwu1]

Really hope Red Action come out fighting for their man at home to Newcastle this weekend. Maybe they could wear a load of t-shirts and stage a kiss-in, all dressed up like Ty the Supafan, and they could wear berets too, and stroke each other's handbrakes until they're a little bit jaded. Fancy that. Red Action end up a "leetle beet" in the Red Zone! And all because they spent a whole night stroking papa Wenger's handbrake, with great spirit.
I just hope they'll "give absolutely everything"....

[clockender1]

wenger got paid 140,000 quid for yesterdays performance. any abuse he got was deserved and overdue.

if he doesnt like it, he can go earn 8 million elsewhere. simples.

the "get out while you can " shouts were genius imho. no way do they not discuss that when they're on their own.

[flash gunner]

Really hope Red Action come out fighting for their man at home to Newcastle this weekend. Maybe they could wear a load of t-shirts and stage a kiss-in, all dressed up like Ty the Supafan, and they could wear berets too, and stroke each other's handbrakes until they're a little bit jaded. Fancy that. Red Action end up a "leetle beet" in the Red Zone! And all because they spent a whole night stroking papa Wenger's handbrake, with great spirit.
I just hope they'll "give absolutely everything"....

Just realised you're Babatunde.......

[officepest]

Really hope Red Action come out fighting for their man at home to Newcastle this weekend. Maybe they could wear a load of t-shirts and stage a kiss-in, all dressed up like Ty the Supafan, and they could wear berets too, and stroke each other's handbrakes until they're a little bit jaded. Fancy that. Red Action end up a "leetle beet" in the Red Zone! And all because they spent a whole night stroking papa Wenger's handbrake, with great spirit.
I just hope they'll "give absolutely everything"....

Just realised you're Babatunde.......

You have just won 500 internet points.

[Humoresque]

As one of the most anti Wenger posters on here you might find it odd to hear me say the following. The biggest problem at Arsenal Football Club is NOT the manager. It's not Gazidis or Kroenke or Usmanov or Steve Bould. It's not the media or the bloggers or referees or bad luck or injuries.

The biggest problem at Arsenal is the fans. The fans who back a manager who is single handedly destroying the club. The fans who despite shit fest after shit fest can see no wrong in what he does. Until there is a concerted effort by the majority of the fanbase to rid this great club of its manager then we deserve nothing more than we get. Football may me a billion pound industry these days but one thing remains the same from the days a player would earn 50 quid a week and that is that if a manager loses the fans he loses his job.

BOOM and the truth is out. Our fans and Wenker deserve each other: weak, spineless, happy to tolerate mediocrity and full of excuses. Make no mistake, no matter how bad we slate the Mousers they were in a shoddy situation with a pair of owners just as ruthless and inept as Kroenke. Pool had two of these fuckers to drive out, and their fans didn't stand around holding each other's dicks claiming "what can we do". They drove them both out, 2 Yank vultures no different to Kroenke. When Hodgson started turning in Wenker-esque shite, he was bombed out when les than 8,000 turned up to watch them at home to Wolves. Message given loud and clear and Pool's new Yank owners fired him on the spot, by email, same night.
Look at Moyes at ManYoo? How long was it before banners and fan discontent simmered? How long have we put up with idiot ManYoo fans dictating to us "show patience" in Wenker? Well they would bloody say that wouldn't they! The minute the show was on the other foot, they mobilised and Moyes didn't even get more than a year. Despite being unbeaten against Wenker.
Chelski well we all know how their fans reacted to Avram Grant and even WC winner Scolari was booted out despite having more points than Le Twat at this stage. Those are supposed to be our rivals.

Now just look at our joke club. TEN YEARS this shit has carried on and wave after wave of pisstaking ST renewals will continue.
Kroenke keeps hiking the prices as he knows our fans are spineless. If our fans had half the backbone of Pool or *spit* Yernited fans, Wenker would have been history in 2009. Arsenal are NOT the first club to have a greedy profiteering leech as an owner - but we ARE the first to continue paying more and more money to be wanked on by Kroenke and the manager.
The fucking cheek of Wenker saying of his contract renewal over summer "I agreed to stay here" like the dick was doing us a favour?!
It gets worse still. He abuses fans with "haven't worked half a day". He pushes it even further with the Diaby contract chat. He takes the piss by flying to Rome on deadline day. He starts the season with less defenders than bankrupt Blackpool. And why does he do all this? Simple: he doesn't fear consequences. Our fans are pussies on the whole like that vaginal puss-juice Arse-logger. Excuses for everything. Zero pressure. I was honestly AMAZED fans weren't furious at the way he just chucked the title in 2008 by not strengthening in Jan. We were 5 pts clear with about 3 months to go and finished fucking 3rd was it. Was ours to lose.

We go to OT and lose 8-2. Your car would be burnt down for that at a big club. At OT? We had the spectre of those tards hinging up them banners. The 4-4 at Newcastle what happened? Our silly fans blamed Phil Dowd! I mean it had NEVER happened a team had chucked a 4-goal advantage...so we blame Dowd! Remember losing 3-2 at home to Spuds or worse, that 4-4 when we chucked a 4-2 lead in the 90th minute? This shit has been going on for a DECADE. It's taken TEN YEARS of shite and humiliation for ONE banner to be shown. Seriously

So if Le Twat got off scot-free for 10 years, can you see his thinking that he can easily ride out another 2 and a half years? He doesn't take our fans seriously, which explains why the banner made him so angry. The banner was a positive step at WBA. Couple of scraped 1-0 against average teams and suddenly, no sign of the banner at Stoke.
No wonder Le Wankstain shrugs it all off.

this should be required reading for every single Arsenal fan on the planet. Read it twice if you have to.

my biggest complaint has been the whole argument " who will we get to replace him"

look at all the big teams in Europe over the last ten years, they've all replaced their managers, usually multiple times.



Bayern
Dortmund
Juve
Milan
Inter
Roma
PSG
Barca
Madrid
Liverpool
Man United
Chelsea
Lyon

etc. Of course I don't want a revolving door of manager or instability but to even suggest that The Arsenal wouldn't survive without him in charge is ludicrous.

at least 2 of those even - gasp - built new stadia
Bayern
Juve



yet they're competing just fine.

it's been , what , 9 years since the Grove opened? the debt isn't that great and manageable yearly. There is also more money for every game day, more sponsorships, Emirates tournament, Brazil friendlies? where's all that money going?

[SteveO 35]

Three men went to shout.....went to shout at Wenger
Three men (now its headline news) went to shout at Wenger

Two men went to shout.......went to shout at Wenger
Two men (lets all get a life) went to shout at Wenger

One man went to shout......went to shout at Wenger
One man and his can of Bud went to shout at Wenger

[augie]

Quartz I know you have good intentions and I know that you believe in doing things the right way but it aint gonna happen the right way because ......

1. Our "supporters groups" are afraid to come out publicly and seek change in case they lose a few members from their "society" ( ) and/or afraid that they will lose access to the club for any public action or criticism. You really have to question what exact purpose these groups serve - they havent got ticket prices to a more realistic level, they have overseen a reduction in access to the club for the ordinary fans (isnt part of their remit to increase the interaction between the club and fans ?) instead of an increase, and they have done fcuk all to improve the atmosphere in the stadium so wtf are they actually achieving ?

2. The club's ban on anything vaguely negative inside the stadium is as pathetic and it is expected If they banned all banners then we could all live with that, but the ban on negative material delivers a real feeling of a communist regime and only feeds the disconnection between the club and the fans.

You cannot ignore wenkers attitude towards the fans - even at the train station on saturday he had a big sneering smile on the c.unt and for thousands of suffering fans that is hard to accept. Players get paid a fortune regardless of results and performances and wenker gets £8m per season to oversee this crap, but fans shell out a lot of hard earned cash to suffer the shambolic performances being delivered and yet he enters the train station smiling patronisingly at those same fans

Pointless saying this action because they wont do jack shit, but it is high time these supporters groups stood up to be counted - if their group suffers a small bit on the back of it then they should be willing to accept that because surely the club is the greater priority here and sitting there silently watching it descend into this mess should be as painful to them as it is to the rest of us As a result of this inaction fans are gonna use every opportunity they can to vent at the manager and he should not be exempt from abuse because of past achievements - as long as he refuses to put our club ahead of his own ego, he will be fair game in my eyes

[BFG4]

That booing and swearing just comes across as spiteful and crass.

If I was Wenger it would make me even more determined to stay in the job.

The case has to be made why it is no longer in our interest to have Wenger stay, not just an outpouring of anger.

A focus on the need for organised defence and more bite in the middle of the park, otherwise it is just raw hate which will produce antipathy from those who need to take note.

The fans are not too nice, they are not organised enough, not eloquent enough.
Shouting on the platform and the shouting on Arsenal fans TV is just too easy to brush off.

I did my bit in the early days of Arsenalfcnotplc, put a plan together, but others were so quick to dismiss the idea without trying it or outright went and twisted the campaign for their own ends.
Wenger has a three year deal and the owner of the club gave him that deal and unless we are relegated or Wenger is in a scandal of some sort, that is that.

I disagree Quartz, there is no right or wrong way to show your anger against the manager. Last weekend, fans held up a banner, which i thought got the point across about Wenger(without being disrespectful) and yet they were heavily criticised, thias shows that regardless of how you do it, showing your anger towards Wenger is going to be criticised by some of our loony(AKB) fan-base. Also, i didnt go to Stoke, and i think anyone who travelled up that far has the right to be angry, especially when our manager was such a coward that he stayed in the dugout to avoid abuse from the Stoke fans, and our team yet again, looked like they werent motivated.

[Gunner Rob]

as augie has said it is the inaction of the supporters groups which are going to keep fuelling the abuse dished out to Wenger.

when will one of them say Enough is Enough? at least the Gooner fanzine has that on its front cover this month!
I was waving that in the AKBs faces last Wednesday night but I think most of them just smiled upon seeing a picture of Wenger

as things stand though I can only see things getting worse before they get better - Wenger clearly is going nowhere. Kroenke will look at the league table and see we are only 4 points off 3rd place. Problems what problems?

[Bradywasking]

What looks like a tiny group of pissed up fellas shout at WENGER and it's headline news......thank god for the digital age

It's hardly like the shit the Mickeys have dished out to their managers, or Blackburn to Kean, or Villa to O'Dreary. What would they do if thousands of people openly abused the manager as those clubs did? Get out of our club.....tut tut, naughty naughty.

100% yes..The moral indignation on Twitter over the scenes at Stoke Train Station is unbelievable and yet sooooo believable. I ask how many of those condemning the actions in the station actually spent their hard earned money traveling to a Stoke to witness a game that lasted 19 seconds (forget talk of spirited comebacks once Orcs scored first it was game over).
I am disgusted that an Arsenal manager was booed and insulted leaving a train station, disgusted that the club and manager have presided for far too long over the fiasco that has lead to this.
Gary fucking Lineker taking the moral high ground, the same that told Wenger to "do one" if he didn't like the abuse at Stoke two years ago. The same that smirked at Wenger falling in a different train station. God help us if the likes of him and John Cross are setting a moral agenda.

[gra001]

In the Guardian this morning


The level of opprobrium directed by Arsenal fans at the manager, Arsène Wenger, appears to be escalating rapidly. A video has emerged on YouTube of Wenger being loudly jeered by fans as he boarded a train at Stoke-on-Trent following his side’s 3-2 defeat by Stoke City on Saturday

The fans can be heard voicing their growing disenchantment with the direction in which the 65-year-old is taking the club. “Joely, do the best thing mate,” one fan called to the striker Joel Campbell. “Get out while you can, Joel.” Wenger, who criticised his side’s defence in his post-match comments, then walks past, tight-lipped, to a chorus of boos.

[Gunner Rob]

the thing is we lost at Stoke which we usually do so what has changed ?

do you think the fact that Arsenal have over achieved this year (by winning the FA Cup) has led to greater expectations by supporters and this is why we are seeing so much anger?

*we are actually 2 points better off at this stage of the season than 2 years ago.

[northbank123]

Quartz the reality is that the traditional channels have their own agendas, they do not give a platform to those with contrasting views unless they are ridiculing them. That extends to supporters groups, the mainstream media and influential individuals within, not to mention the Gestapo in our own ground.

How many tweets do you think Gary Lineker gets each day? He's not going to retweet anything unless he agrees with it and if he did agree with it he'd be saying it anyway. Which he isn't. You seem to be a well-connected individual but you're dreaming if you think that Joe Average can get his say across on a global level. I'm not saying that that gives individuals automatic carte blanche to shout whatever they want at another individual, but get serious.

And other than very very basic human decency, Wenger has long since pissed away any respect that he is owed by the fans and he sure as fuck has nothing but utter contempt to him - we're just the people who fund his exorbitant wages. I fully welcome the press coverage that this has garnered.