THE WENGER THREAD

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VoiceOfReason
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Gunner Rob wrote:"for all Wenger’s weaknesses, the argument that he has yet produced a sackable set of results – even in the more difficult later years of his tenure – remains unconvincing" :banghead: :banghead: yeah lets all conveniently forget about the 2-8, the 0-6, the 1-5 and the 4-4
This is part of the problem. He's never going to produce a run of 'sackable' results, because we're not relegation fodder and we're not going to lose six or seven consecutively. It seems that AKBs use this as a way to protect him, because after two or three (often key) defeats, we bounce back with a couple of wins.

What we need fans and the media to focus on is the 'big picture', and how he's changed the ethos of the club. Wenger is setting his own targets, which are far below what the club should be aiming for. He's brainwashed thousands into thinking that his lowly expectations are acceptable for a club of our calibre, and it's this that needs challenging.

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GoonerMuzz wrote:Can anyone actually think of a genuinely compelling reason that Arsene should be allowed to see out his current contract?
:rubchin:

I am genuinely interested in peoples views on this, much as i have disliked Wenger's way of doing things for a good few years there has always been some doubt in the back of my head, this season i really can't find any real reason.


See out his contract ?? :shock: The man shouldnt be allowed see out the rest of this week :x Any half decent manager in the world should get top 4 with this squad so replacing him right now presents no real risk imo

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GoonerMuzz wrote:Can anyone actually think of a genuinely compelling reason that Arsene should be allowed to see out his current contract?

:rubchin:

I am genuinely interested in peoples views on this, much as i have disliked Wenger's way of doing things for a good few years there has always been some doubt in the back of my head, this season i really can't find any real reason.
an AKB response would be that 2014 has been a very successful year as we have won the FA Cup and Community Shield.
Arsene Wenger has said that we should judge him in May so we should do that. Then that lovely Mr Gazidis will tell us that we will spend big and we should all believe that too, and then we should renew our season tickets and have a happy summer :D

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Tomáš wrote:German newspaper reporting that Arsenal fans fighting each other because of Wenger yes or no :rubchin:
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/pr ... 07477.html

Cheers,
Thomas
Tomas, I will give you Wenger and 3 magic beans for Klopp. Deal? 8)

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I wont quote myself but I think I undersold my dislike a bit, read it as despised his way of doing things since about 2006-07 (Not him).

I have a colleague who is a dirty Spuds fan and over the years it has been a bit of a standing joke, i wanted rid he has always said we need to keep him, he recently said it is time for Wenger to go.... a Spuds fan said it.

You know those moments where you really can't think of anything to say, that really was one of those moments.

This list is what i've tried to think of for him recently

Innovative football - No (tbh not really ever)
Up and coming young players - No (again tbh very few have made the grade)
Intuitive and ground breaking tactics - Not even close
Inspiring team selections and perfectly timed substitutions - Very rarely
Excellent image and leadership of the club - No
Great transfer dealings and contract renegotiations - I'll give him Sanchez but then there's talk of Diaby getting extended

C'mon someone must have something positive. :banghead:

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Tomáš wrote:German newspaper reporting that Arsenal fans fighting each other because of Wenger yes or no :rubchin:
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/pr ... 07477.html

Cheers,
Thomas
FWIW people forget AW was born in Alsace (formerly in Germany) and is fluent in German - from the Article, this will fox the Emirates Gestapo (ironically) :

"Arsène, danke für die Erinnerungen, aber es ist Zeit zu gehen."

i'll put a tenner towards a banner that says that :lol:

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It seems the latest AKB excuse for keeping Wenker has been the signing of Sanchez. "We wouldn't have signed him without Arsene"
Funny one that as I used to hear the same about Ozil, before everyone woke up and realised that Ozil never really wanted to be here :roll:
Sanchez is a wonderful player but he wasn't attracted to Arsenal because of 4th placed Wenger: living in London and getting £120k a week is what swayed it. Playing in the CL is obv important but as has been repeated here, considering Arsensl have the 3rd highest wage bill in England, that's a minimum expectation. What I think ppl need to look towards are his not so big money signings of the past 4/5 years. Giroud, no. Welbeck, hell no. The infamous trolley dash that landed us with useless Merteslacker, Arteta and Santos. His transfer record is woeful. One thing I think is even more woeful and unforgivable is just what a shit state our youth system has become under him. We are wasting £17m on mediocrity like Welbeck when I'm certain that kid of ours at MK Dons could so just as well. We've not produced a single youth player of note in over 10 years. Wilshere? Please. Potential but nowhere near elite level.
I was thinking the other day about players who've left Arsenal like eg Kyle Bartley. Watched him for Swansea v West Ham Sunday and he looks competent, totally different player. I see players who looked utterly useless under Le Fraud look competent elsewhere (even Forehead FFS).

One thing that disgusts me is the way he ruins kids. Remember what he did to Jenkinson at OT in the 8-2? There was Alex Mong getting pelters from fans at Fulham away back in 09 think it was, the poor kid chucked in as a sacrificial lamb. Then there's Chambers, who just looks totally shot post the Swansea roasting. And the worst thing?
Every time a result like Stoke happens, Wenker is such a selfish, manipulative spunkbot that he chucks the kids under a bus
"The defending was very naive and not acceptable"
Yep. It's all their fault innit Mr Magoo? :roll:

Added to that, Arsenal might as well sack the entire scouting department. Grimandi is the only person allowed to speak to Wenker meaning that scouting in eg South America is totally alien to the club. Clubs with far less resources like Porto, Benfica etc scout way better. Citeh have cash but their 3 best players IMO are Zabaleta (£5m), Kompany (£6m) and Aguero (£35m). That's outstanding. These are players that last years in your side - where the fuck are ours? I see one potentially, and that's Koscielny and Ox was good value. But they're not the backbone of a side FFS.

So again, why is this spunk-bubble on £8m p/a? What for?

Youth system: shite
Scouting: pointless.
Value for money: used to be his forte, now getting mugged for Welbeck etc
Trophies: LOL
Style of play: pathetic, predictable, pedestrian
Mental resolve: Hahahaha

WHY THE FUCK IS HE HERE?
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Tomáš wrote:German newspaper reporting that Arsenal fans fighting each other because of Wenger yes or no :rubchin:
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/pr ... 07477.html

Cheers,
Thomas
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VoiceOfReason wrote:
This is part of the problem. He's never going to produce a run of 'sackable' results, because we're not relegation fodder and we're not going to lose six or seven consecutively..
true, but also in the past our humiliations have been away from the emirates, and so the JCL's and AKB's at the bowl could turn the other cheek, but the poor results at the bowl are building frustration at the bowl - soton in the cup, spuds, hull, anderlecht, not to mention the poor performances v swansea, stoke, west brom inbetween.

i think if we draw or lose against newcastle, liverpool and west ham each one builds discontent - wins over gala n qpr are not going to wash it away at all.

saturdays game is massive for wenger.

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ONE ARSENE WENGER.....THERE'S ONLY ONE ARSENE WENGER

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I recall Wenger getting all pissy with Pardew at Upton Park because of his over exuberant goal celebration, the only goal of the game.
As I recently posted, because of his inflated & undeserved salary Clueless thinks he is above younger managers like Pardew & Hughes, and hates losing to these upstarts.
Another loss could be the tipping point.

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clockender1 wrote:
Tomáš wrote:German newspaper reporting that Arsenal fans fighting each other because of Wenger yes or no :rubchin:
http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/pr ... 07477.html

Cheers,
Thomas
FWIW people forget AW was born in Alsace (formerly in Germany) and is fluent in German - from the Article, this will fox the Emirates Gestapo (ironically) :

"Arsène, danke für die Erinnerungen, aber es ist Zeit zu gehen."

i'll put a tenner towards a banner that says that :lol:
:mrgreen:
has to been shorter like:

Arsène auf Wiedersehen!

Arsène good bye!

:mrgreen:

sorry for not translating but i think everybody can run it through Google translator :wink:
Cheers,
Thomas


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I keep hearing that top players are only attracted to Arsenal because of Wenger.

Players are interested and contemplate coming to Arsenal because it's Arsenal, and we can afford to pay the wages that most top players command.

Remember, Bruce Rioch signed Dennis Bergkamp.

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baulbag wrote:I keep hearing that top players are only attracted to Arsenal because of Wenger.

Players are interested and contemplate coming to Arsenal because it's Arsenal, and we can afford to pay the wages that most top players command.

Remember, Bruce Rioch signed Dennis Bergkamp.
Afraid to say he didn't mate. That was down to David Dein.

Not everything is what it seems on the surface.

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