THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

You. Are. Wasting. Your. Valuable. Time.

And mine ffs. Ive just read it again!

[g60gooner]

DB10, Theop, Chippy et al, I admire your persistence and determination, indeed, Learningdifficultygooner himself, managed to hit the nail on the head perfectly in his last post, yet still he appears unable to accept the truth. If he did then he would, I suppose, have to put his hands up and admit he has been a fool for the last few years. A difficult thing to do for anyone really.
Or, it could just come down to this- as my old boss used to say....'You can't educate pork', but ,i commend you for trying guys

[augie]

and yet that chav wum w.anker is allowed to constantly take the piss without anyone pulling him up on it

[officepest]

and yet that chav wum w.anker is allowed to constantly take the piss without anyone pulling him up on it

Which one? If you mean AFCforever he was dismantled on here yesterday.

[GoonerMuzz]

Someone remind me who, but i'm fairly sure i've seen it mentioned at least 2 other top teams in Europe have built stadiums in the last 10 years and still won leagues and other honours (I might be wrong getting a bit senile)

If that is true then surely that in itself should kill the 'we had to pay for the stadium' AKB argument stone dead?!?

Or is the counter argument then going to be 'but those leagues aren't as difficult as the EPL'?

[Ikechukwu1]

Bayern Munchen and Juventus both moved to new stadiums in the past decade.
Both have hugely outperformed Wenger.
Atletico Madrid are so close to bankruptcy that their CEO Miguel Angel Gil has personally put his house up as collateral to secure the loans needed to pay their bills on time. In fact, Atletico have had to sell Sergio Aguero, Diego Costa, Filipe Luis, just to make ends meet. Their team cost less than Ozil. Go check.
I want to quote what the Atletico fan group president said about Simeone:
"The squad was bought on the cheap. Someone's attitude has been to say: this is what I've got, let's get on with it"

Now compare this with hilarious tards moaning that poor ol Arsene "only" had a wage bill of £143m and over £55m cash in the bank, and managed to sign the likes of Arshavin, Koscielny, the mad trolley dash, etc etc. Yet he still managed to routinely lose cup finals to relegated teams, and fail to compete with much poorer teams!

Then you look at Simeone who has managed 3 consecutive wins against Real Madrid, even though his squad cost less than Bale FFS.
It's all about the attitudes for me: Simeonr is a fighter, someone who relishes the fight and thrives in adversity. The more up against it he is, the better he'll perform.

Then you have out very own Joker. He doesn't like having to fight for things and isn't a fighter (as witnessed by his cowardly hiding in dugout at Stoke). Every defeat is an opportunity to wheel out excuses and he mentally prepares his troops to excuse failure. "It's oil money", "FFP", "we cannot compete".

Simeone tells his players they WILL compete.
Wenger tells them they've no chance already, so just go for 4th

If George Graham had had that same mentality then Parma woulda stuffed us 7-0 in Copenhagen and Scousers would have twatted us at Anfield in 89'. I especially want Wenger to GTFO as the mentality he's instilled at Arsenal is unacceptable.

[OneBardGooner]

Wenger has been embarrassed by the players playing "their game" to beat man$hitty - He just needs to feck off and we could get 2nd or 3rd....

Otherwise we will struggle to land VT (4th).

[Humoresque]

Someone remind me who, but i'm fairly sure i've seen it mentioned at least 2 other top teams in Europe have built stadiums in the last 10 years and still won leagues and other honours (I might be wrong getting a bit senile)

If that is true then surely that in itself should kill the 'we had to pay for the stadium' AKB argument stone dead?!?

Or is the counter argument then going to be 'but those leagues aren't as difficult as the EPL'?

that was I who first brought that up. Certainly there are differences amongst the leagues and thus teams but still, to have high-profile teams like Juve and Bayern build new stadia, it's clearly not an excuse. Nor have we been financially strained like has been routinely suggested in the past.

it's not always that Arsenal didn't 'splash the cash' in the transfer market, it's how much bad money they've spent on wages for underperforming or oft injured players.

I've always wondered if it wasn't partially because some of these players have keep their mouths shut and been good little 'yes men' to Wenger that he's keep them around.

On one hand it's a 'business' and he's all about the spreadsheet and balance book but on the other hand he's willing to offer Diaby a new deal. Very strange indeed.

[officepest]

I've always wondered if it wasn't partially because some of these players have keep their mouths shut and been good little 'yes men' to Wenger that he's keep them around.

I have no doubt that this is correct. Rewarding players far above what they actually deserve would encourage some to toe the party line.

[clockender1]

Okay, so after Wenger assembled arguably the best team in PL history, he decided, this is all too easy.
I'm going to do it the hard way.....even though I have tens of millions of pounds available to spend on world class players, I'm going to gamble on sticking by the likes of Bendtner, Denilson, Santos, Senderos and Vela......:

djourou and senderos were signed in 2003 along with JA Reyes - who was 11million quid, replacing jeffers who was what 9/10 million ????

can't you see how the money was wasted ?

[LaughingGooner]

Okay, so after Wenger assembled arguably the best team in PL history, he decided, this is all too easy.
I'm going to do it the hard way.....even though I have tens of millions of pounds available to spend on world class players, I'm going to gamble on sticking by the likes of Bendtner, Denilson, Santos, Senderos and Vela......:

djourou and senderos were signed in 2003 along with JA Reyes - who was 11million quid, replacing jeffers who was what 9/10 million ????

can't you see how the money was wasted ?

Name me a manager who has not wasted money......or is it only Wenger who has wasted money.

[northbank123]

You are truly the king of the straw man argument. Criticising Wenger for wasting money (particularly in the context of a debate on financial constraints preventing us challenging) is easily dismissable because all managers have wasted money at some point?

Like how any praise of Simeone or Koeman counts as worshipping at their altar.

[GoonerMuzz]

So let's recap..... Praising AW is acceptable, praising anyone else means we aren't real Gooners! Criticising AW is wrong, but criticising other managers is ok. Mentioning financial difficulties for other clubs who are successful is out of context but for AFC it is crucial to why we have been unsuccessful and why AW has struggled in the past 10 seasons


Ok I think I now understand AKB logic, and can see how wrong I've been about him, can I get a cookie and a padded room

[officepest]

So let's recap..... Praising AW is acceptable, praising anyone else means we aren't real Gooners! Criticising AW is wrong, but criticising other managers is ok. Mentioning financial difficulties for other clubs who are successful is out of context but for AFC it is crucial to why we have been unsuccessful and why AW has struggled in the past 10 seasons


Ok I think I now understand AKB logic, and can see how wrong I've been about him, can I get a cookie and a padded room

Surely an oxymoron?

[LaughingGooner]

You are truly the king of the straw man argument. Criticising Wenger for wasting money (particularly in the context of a debate on financial constraints preventing us challenging) is easily dismissable because all managers have wasted money at some point?

Like how any praise of Simeone or Koeman counts as worshipping at their altar.

Every manager has wasted money for fuck sake........but hey, you're clearly not interested in a reasoned argument.

However about comparing the net spend of the top managers over the last 15 years.
Oh, I guess that's not relevant is it, as you just want to cling onto fact our wage bill is larger than most.