THE WENGER THREAD

[mcdowell42]

Sorry Augie I'll go back to slagging Wenger off,wonnder is AVB still available

[flash gunner]

Didn't Martinez get Wigan relegated

Yep but we forget about these things when youve got a chance to slag off Wenger

Seriously lads if you want to have a go at baba then fair enough, but to slate Martinez for getting wigan relegated is absurd Yes he is having a woeful season with everton at the mo but our c.unt in charge has had abundantly more resources than Martinez has had his disposal - some people complain about other fans using every little grievance to have a pop at le cock and they may have a point, but to use Martinez's career as a way to defend or deflect wenkers performance is ridiculous.

Are you kidding me augie? Martinez has got a shocking record i think every season barring one (his first with everton) he's been fighting relegation yeah he won the FA Cup but so did Bobby Gould and John Sillett..... because Martinez was at as small club is no excuse there are loads of clubs that fight above their weight but he rarely ever did that Paul Jewel did better than him at Wigan in fact, eventually his relegation fighting became relegation and yet people still rate him

[Herd]

Bayern had their stadium funding from the German FA for the World Cup in 2006, before that their stadium was built for the Olympics there , it may account for why they are so rich !
Juventus are bankrolled by the Agnelli family ,they have pots of money and the local authority put its hand in its pocket for the new stadium too too .
Neither examples are comparable to Arsenals case ,its another Baba bullshit fest .
I agree we have pissed away millions in the budget overpaying wages for journeyman players ,coaches, and manger but seriously we have said it all before a million times I wonder what’s the point .
It isn’t going to change until he goes and he isn’t going until at least 2017 !
Deal with it !

[DB10GOONER]

Bayern had their stadium funding from the German FA for the World Cup in 2006, before that their stadium was built for the Olympics there , it may account for why they are so rich !
Juventus are bankrolled by the Agnelli family ,they have pots of money and the local authority put its hand in its pocket for the new stadium too too .
Neither examples are comparable to Arsenals case ,its another Baba bullshit fest .
I agree we have pissed away millions in the budget overpaying wages for journeyman players ,coaches, and manger but seriously we have said it all before a million times I wonder what’s the point .
It isn’t going to change until he goes and he isn’t going until at least 2017 !
Deal with it !

All true. Sadly.

But then Baba-itchy-whatever never let the truth stand in the way of a good story, huh?

[DB10GOONER]

Okay, so after Wenger assembled arguably the best team in PL history, he decided, this is all too easy.
I'm going to do it the hard way.....even though I have tens of millions of pounds available to spend on world class players, I'm going to gamble on sticking by the likes of Bendtner, Denilson, Santos, Senderos and Vela......:

djourou and senderos were signed in 2003 along with JA Reyes - who was 11million quid, replacing jeffers who was what 9/10 million ????

can't you see how the money was wasted ?

Name me a manager who has not wasted money......or is it only Wenger who has wasted money.

Your "reasoned debate" as been torn to shreds by everyone else so I won't bother retracking through all that but would just take you up on that point about managers wasting money.

The main difference is that every single one of those managers that wasted money are now out of those jobs. And rightly so. It's a results driven business. If we were a small mid-table/relegation fodder club like Wigan, Stoke, West Brom or Bolton or whoever (with their cheaper ticket prices and lower expectations) then Wenger's results over the last decade would be acceptable. But we are not. We are The Arsenal. We have higher ticket prices, a far more storied history and far greater expectations. If a manager cannot deliver for us he should be replaced, or we should pull our necks in, accept mid table mediocrity and lower our ticket prices along with our expectations. You simply can't have it both ways.

[Clash]

Surely the point is that if you really are 'financially restricted'' ... then you don't have money to waste in the first place?

[Gunner Rob]

hard to know what to say on here at the moment

lets face facts - Wenger is actually doing ok at the moment

we all moaned that we would never win a major trophy again - he won the FA Cup last season and we are favourites to retain the trophy suddenly.

we all moaned that we could never beat a big side away from home anymore - he beat Man City last week

we all moaned that he couldnt bring in a top defender - Palista probably signs today

I still have huge reservations about him (especially his tactics used) but for the first time in nearly 3 years it is hard to totally slate him. i dont know, maybe I have just resigned myself to the fact that he is here until 2017 so we might as well all just get behind him and the manager. there doesnt look any other option - at least we are not Newcastle

[flash gunner]

Bayern had their stadium funding from the German FA for the World Cup in 2006, before that their stadium was built for the Olympics there , it may account for why they are so rich !
Juventus are bankrolled by the Agnelli family ,they have pots of money and the local authority put its hand in its pocket for the new stadium too too .
Neither examples are comparable to Arsenals case ,its another Baba bullshit fest .
I agree we have pissed away millions in the budget overpaying wages for journeyman players ,coaches, and manger but seriously we have said it all before a million times I wonder what’s the point .
It isn’t going to change until he goes and he isn’t going until at least 2017 !
Deal with it !

All true. Sadly.

But then Baba-itchy-whatever never let the truth stand in the way of a good story, huh?

[Nuggets]

Wonga still is not out of the woods yet, the trouble is people are really fed up with all his bullsh1te, I still want him gone.

[augie]

hard to know what to say on here at the moment

lets face facts - Wenger is actually doing ok at the moment

we all moaned that we would never win a major trophy again - he won the FA Cup last season and we are favourites to retain the trophy suddenly.

we all moaned that we could never beat a big side away from home anymore - he beat Man City last week

we all moaned that he couldnt bring in a top defender - Palista probably signs today

I still have huge reservations about him (especially his tactics used) but for the first time in nearly 3 years it is hard to totally slate him. i dont know, maybe I have just resigned myself to the fact that he is here until 2017 so we might as well all just get behind him and the manager. there doesnt look any other option - at least we are not Newcastle

1. Doing ok for a club like Arsenal is not enough, and especially when you are being paid 8.5m in wages

2. That big team that we beat has just been turned over by a championship team and by the same scoreline too. That is not to say that it isn't a big deal for us cos it was, but when a team from a lower division beats them just 7 days later, it does suggest that citeeh are not doing well at the mo. It would also be foolish to ignore the fact that winning 1 game in the last 18 against the other big prem league teams, is nothing to brag about. Finally that win was engineered by the players who dictated the tactics for the match so the reality is that they and not the manager, should receive the plaudits for the win.

3. Paulista is not a top defender and I don't know where you got that idea from He has never played for a big club before (even in brazil) and he has NO international caps so has never played at the highest level. Now he might well turn out to be a top quality signing (here's hoping) but for the moment all we can say is that we have signed a player that has been described as a player with great potential but far from the finished article, so top quality ? Not even close

[Skooner]

hard to know what to say on here at the moment

lets face facts - Wenger is actually doing ok at the moment

we all moaned that we would never win a major trophy again - he won the FA Cup last season and we are favourites to retain the trophy suddenly.

we all moaned that we could never beat a big side away from home anymore - he beat Man City last week

we all moaned that he couldnt bring in a top defender - Palista probably signs today

I still have huge reservations about him (especially his tactics used) but for the first time in nearly 3 years it is hard to totally slate him. i dont know, maybe I have just resigned myself to the fact that he is here until 2017 so we might as well all just get behind him and the manager. there doesnt look any other option - at least we are not Newcastle

1. Doing ok for a club like Arsenal is not enough, and especially when you are being paid 8.5m in wages

2. That big team that we beat has just been turned over by a championship team and by the same scoreline too. That is not to say that it isn't a big deal for us cos it was, but when a team from a lower division beats them just 7 days later, it does suggest that citeeh are not doing well at the mo. It would also be foolish to ignore the fact that winning 1 game in the last 18 against the other big prem league teams, is nothing to brag about. Finally that win was engineered by the players who dictated the tactics for the match so the reality is that they and not the manager, should receive the plaudits for the win.

3. Paulista is not a top defender and I don't know where you got that idea from He has never played for a big club before (even in brazil) and he has NO international caps so has never played at the highest level. Now he might well turn out to be a top quality signing (here's hoping) but for the moment all we can say is that we have signed a player that has been described as a player with great potential but far from the finished article, so top quality ? Not even close

As the man himself would say, judge him in May.

I know a lot of us do at the end of every season and believe he should have been long gone but it's the only way to negate the issue of recent performances which Gunner Rob has stated a current defence of Wenger. Every season we go through some superb runs of form, but then drop off when the pressure is on.

Every season Wenger says we can win the title at the start, and then claims fourth as success at the end. He said it at the start of the season and I think it's fair to say we are not in the race for the title already so this season is already a failure based on the expectation he himself set out back in August. I'd love to win the cup again but that doesn't mask his failure this season, regardless of a recent short term up turn in form.

[Nuggets]

hard to know what to say on here at the moment

lets face facts - Wenger is actually doing ok at the moment

we all moaned that we would never win a major trophy again - he won the FA Cup last season and we are favourites to retain the trophy suddenly.

we all moaned that we could never beat a big side away from home anymore - he beat Man City last week

we all moaned that he couldnt bring in a top defender - Palista probably signs today

I still have huge reservations about him (especially his tactics used) but for the first time in nearly 3 years it is hard to totally slate him. i dont know, maybe I have just resigned myself to the fact that he is here until 2017 so we might as well all just get behind him and the manager. there doesnt look any other option - at least we are not Newcastle

1. Doing ok for a club like Arsenal is not enough, and especially when you are being paid 8.5m in wages

2. That big team that we beat has just been turned over by a championship team and by the same scoreline too. That is not to say that it isn't a big deal for us cos it was, but when a team from a lower division beats them just 7 days later, it does suggest that citeeh are not doing well at the mo. It would also be foolish to ignore the fact that winning 1 game in the last 18 against the other big prem league teams, is nothing to brag about. Finally that win was engineered by the players who dictated the tactics for the match so the reality is that they and not the manager, should receive the plaudits for the win.

3. Paulista is not a top defender and I don't know where you got that idea from He has never played for a big club before (even in brazil) and he has NO international caps so has never played at the highest level. Now he might well turn out to be a top quality signing (here's hoping) but for the moment all we can say is that we have signed a player that has been described as a player with great potential but far from the finished article, so top quality ? Not even close

Spot on

[Gunner Rob]

I agree with augie really - I guess I am just in a lenient mood because lets face it the last few weeks of wins just emphasises more than ever that he is going nowhere.

I havent really changed my mind on Wenger BUT in the unlikely event that we can beat Spurs, avoid defeat v United and Chelsea and finish the season strongly to finish 3rd and win the FA Cup....I maybe just maybe be prepared to judge him in May. After all that would be quite a platform to take into next season. long way to go though.

I am sure the next fuck up is just around the corner

[arseofacrow]

Getting a glimpse of what a proper manager could do on a regular basis.

[OneBardGooner]

No doubt all the AKB's will be singing Wenker's praises for (at last) bringing in a much needed CB/Defender - Something he said he would do in the summer if Vermaelen left - Of course Vermaelen left and Clueless sat on his hands (and the Arsenal Cheque Book) - he should have attended to our defensive deficencies in the summer - We ALL knew there would be a spate of injuries throughout the squad - the only question was 'How Bad They Would Be'.

Of course he will smirk his way through questions relating to the new signing....knowing full well he got it WRONG.

He is no longer fit for purpose, but will hang on to his £8million a year job until they claw it out of his miserly hands.