THE WENGER THREAD

[armchair]

Im not "blinded by hatred" of anyone but Im not gonna let another false dawn wash away the years of abject fukin failure by our manager who has let his arrogance and his pursuit of a utopian project stand in the way of the best interests of the club.

We have every right to voice our opinions and just because we are on a great run at the moment and looking like some of the glaring deficiencies that have plagued us for years seem to be addressed does not for one second absolve Wenger for his neglect and failure to adequately strengthen key areas for waaaay too long.

The fact remains that Wenger should not be our manager. The many, many fuck-ups and failures under his tenure (and not btw 'burned a few times' as you put it in a typical Wenger supporters way of minimising his absolute incompetence on many occasions) testify to the fact that he should have been sacked or walked in embarrassment long, long ago.

Ffs Wenger is a genius once again and all is rosy because we now have what looks like a competent keeper, are playing with a degree of caution and defensive shape and possibly have a DM worthy of the name but by no means proven? All of which us ungrateful WOBs and Wenger supporters too have been begging Wenger to do for ages? Particularly the goalkeeping position which imo hadnt been sorted from Seamen.

So please forgive me if I dont share your Wenger support and optimism after a good run because we've been here before. Quite a few times.

[Nuggets]

Im not "blinded by hatred" of anyone but Im not gonna let another false dawn wash away the years of abject fukin failure by our manager who has let his arrogance and his pursuit of a utopian project stand in the way of the best interests of the club.

We have every right to voice our opinions and just because we are on a great run at the moment and looking like some of the glaring deficiencies that have plagued us for years seem to be addressed does not for one second absolve Wenger for his neglect and failure to adequately strengthen key areas for waaaay too long.

The fact remains that Wenger should not be our manager. The many, many fuck-ups and failures under his tenure (and not btw 'burned a few times' as you put it in a typical Wenger supporters way of minimising his absolute incompetence on many occasions) testify to the fact that he should have been sacked or walked in embarrassment long, long ago.

Ffs Wenger is a genius once again and all is rosy because we now have what looks like a competent keeper, are playing with a degree of caution and defensive shape and possibly have a DM worthy of the name but by no means proven? All of which us ungrateful WOBs and Wenger supporters too have been begging Wenger to do for ages? Particularly the goalkeeping position which imo hadnt been sorted from Seamen.

So please forgive me if I dont share your Wenger support and optimism after a good run because we've been here before. Quite a few times.

Spot on with your analysis, I feel the same way, too little too late, he really needs to go.

[Nuggets]

Im not "blinded by hatred" of anyone but Im not gonna let another false dawn wash away the years of abject fukin failure by our manager who has let his arrogance and his pursuit of a utopian project stand in the way of the best interests of the club.

We have every right to voice our opinions and just because we are on a great run at the moment and looking like some of the glaring deficiencies that have plagued us for years seem to be addressed does not for one second absolve Wenger for his neglect and failure to adequately strengthen key areas for waaaay too long.

The fact remains that Wenger should not be our manager. The many, many fuck-ups and failures under his tenure (and not btw 'burned a few times' as you put it in a typical Wenger supporters way of minimising his absolute incompetence on many occasions) testify to the fact that he should have been sacked or walked in embarrassment long, long ago.

Ffs Wenger is a genius once again and all is rosy because we now have what looks like a competent keeper, are playing with a degree of caution and defensive shape and possibly have a DM worthy of the name but by no means proven? All of which us ungrateful WOBs and Wenger supporters too have been begging Wenger to do for ages? Particularly the goalkeeping position which imo hadnt been sorted from Seamen.

So please forgive me if I dont share your Wenger support and optimism after a good run because we've been here before. Quite a few times.

Spot on with your analysis, I feel the same way, too little too late, he really needs to go.

[Nuggets]

Im not "blinded by hatred" of anyone but Im not gonna let another false dawn wash away the years of abject fukin failure by our manager who has let his arrogance and his pursuit of a utopian project stand in the way of the best interests of the club.

We have every right to voice our opinions and just because we are on a great run at the moment and looking like some of the glaring deficiencies that have plagued us for years seem to be addressed does not for one second absolve Wenger for his neglect and failure to adequately strengthen key areas for waaaay too long.

The fact remains that Wenger should not be our manager. The many, many fuck-ups and failures under his tenure (and not btw 'burned a few times' as you put it in a typical Wenger supporters way of minimising his absolute incompetence on many occasions) testify to the fact that he should have been sacked or walked in embarrassment long, long ago.

Ffs Wenger is a genius once again and all is rosy because we now have what looks like a competent keeper, are playing with a degree of caution and defensive shape and possibly have a DM worthy of the name but by no means proven? All of which us ungrateful WOBs and Wenger supporters too have been begging Wenger to do for ages? Particularly the goalkeeping position which imo hadnt been sorted from Seamen.

So please forgive me if I dont share your Wenger support and optimism after a good run because we've been here before. Quite a few times.

Spot on with your analysis, I feel the same way, too little too late, he really needs to go.

[Nuggets]

Im not "blinded by hatred" of anyone but Im not gonna let another false dawn wash away the years of abject fukin failure by our manager who has let his arrogance and his pursuit of a utopian project stand in the way of the best interests of the club.

We have every right to voice our opinions and just because we are on a great run at the moment and looking like some of the glaring deficiencies that have plagued us for years seem to be addressed does not for one second absolve Wenger for his neglect and failure to adequately strengthen key areas for waaaay too long.

The fact remains that Wenger should not be our manager. The many, many fuck-ups and failures under his tenure (and not btw 'burned a few times' as you put it in a typical Wenger supporters way of minimising his absolute incompetence on many occasions) testify to the fact that he should have been sacked or walked in embarrassment long, long ago.

Ffs Wenger is a genius once again and all is rosy because we now have what looks like a competent keeper, are playing with a degree of caution and defensive shape and possibly have a DM worthy of the name but by no means proven? All of which us ungrateful WOBs and Wenger supporters too have been begging Wenger to do for ages? Particularly the goalkeeping position which imo hadnt been sorted from Seamen.

So please forgive me if I dont share your Wenger support and optimism after a good run because we've been here before. Quite a few times.

Spot on with your analysis, I feel the same way, too little too late, he really needs to go.

[Skooner]

Im not "blinded by hatred" of anyone but Im not gonna let another false dawn wash away the years of abject fukin failure by our manager who has let his arrogance and his pursuit of a utopian project stand in the way of the best interests of the club.

We have every right to voice our opinions and just because we are on a great run at the moment and looking like some of the glaring deficiencies that have plagued us for years seem to be addressed does not for one second absolve Wenger for his neglect and failure to adequately strengthen key areas for waaaay too long.

The fact remains that Wenger should not be our manager. The many, many fuck-ups and failures under his tenure (and not btw 'burned a few times' as you put it in a typical Wenger supporters way of minimising his absolute incompetence on many occasions) testify to the fact that he should have been sacked or walked in embarrassment long, long ago.

Ffs Wenger is a genius once again and all is rosy because we now have what looks like a competent keeper, are playing with a degree of caution and defensive shape and possibly have a DM worthy of the name but by no means proven? All of which us ungrateful WOBs and Wenger supporters too have been begging Wenger to do for ages? Particularly the goalkeeping position which imo hadnt been sorted from Seamen.

So please forgive me if I dont share your Wenger support and optimism after a good run because we've been here before. Quite a few times.

Largely agree with this.

Even in the worst periods under Wenger, we have always been capable of stringing together a load of good performances, but for many years now that has never translated in to genuine success with regards a genuine title challenge.

I remember going to Goodison on the opening day (possibly 2009-10 season) and smashing the 6-1. I remember being very impressed that day, not because of the score line but the entire team worked in units, and were hassling the opposition in a way similar to Barca in their pomp. I said to my brother that it finally looked like Wenger had understood what it took to be successful and that if we played like that consistently we’d be in the mix for the title. Six week later and we had reverted to tippy tappy and being tactically lazy and naïve.

And that’s why I am mistrusting of this team today. We were superb against City a couple of weeks back, but we’ll need several of those types of performances and no tactical horror shows in the next 12 months or so before I can even begin to think we (both Wenger and the players) have genuinely learnt what is required to be successful. We’ll have bad days of course, but there is never an excuse for being out thought or out fought, only out played.

[LaughingGooner]

Think all he Wenger haters should calm down........we will have a set back soon, possibly even on Saturday.
They can then run to their computers and collectively weep with joy.......'there we told you the improved form would not last...'

Apparently the tactics employed in recent weeks are not Wengers.
The team got together and decided to play their own way. Wenger just meekly sat back and let the team ignore him.

So Wenger got lucky, blah, blah.....

No doubt if we do lose on Saturday, then it will be back to being Wenger's team, Wenger's tactics.......

You really could not make this shit up........

[armchair]

Think all he Wenger haters should calm down........we will have a set back soon, possibly even on Saturday.
They can then run to their computers and collectively weep with joy.......'there we told you the improved form would not last...'

Apparently the tactics employed in recent weeks are not Wengers.
The team got together and decided to play their own way. Wenger just meekly sat back and let the team ignore him.

So Wenger got lucky, blah, blah.....

No doubt if we do lose on Saturday, then it will be back to being Wenger's team, Wenger's tactics.......

You really could not make this shit up........

I think you'll find that I never said it wasnt Wenger who employed the new tactics in recent weeks. I think you'll find I said that the new tactics are ultimately on Wenger either way.
Just as the years of abject failure, record breaking defeats, shambolic transfer windows, non-tactical displays are also on Wenger.
I also think you'll find that if you actually read peoples posts that its you who "makes shit up"

[Ikechukwu1]

Quite amazing what back to back wins v Brighton and Villa can do for optimism eh!
It's almost as if we weren't behind S'oton in the table, almost as if Stoke never happened, almost as if Anderlecht didn't happen, almost as if we didn't have out worst start for 32 years, almost as if "so solid" Mert and Kos weren't involved in one of our worst defensive records after 15 games, it's almost like we never lost at "fortress" Emirates to that awful Man United side, and it's almost as if Mourinho didn't hand Wenger his usual humping!
Now the victory at Citeh was impressive. Totally.
Although no one has yet provided an answer as to why stronger team sheets last season conceded 6 at Citeh, 6 at Stamford Bridge and 5 at Andield
The goldfish brain syndrome is comical at times and it's the reason we'll forever be stuck in Groundhog Day. It's unreal to see the AKBs crawl out of Arsene's turd bowl for some adulation - what's changed? We are playing better but yet, with a higher wage bill than Chelski errrr...oh yeah we are stuck behind oil money Southampton!

When will people learn: when the pressure is off, Wenger teams ways start to put together a run of results. Nothing has changed bar the Citeh result. Arsenal were frail at Brighton FFS! But hey we thrashed Villa! And we finally won a big game (no mention that Boro achieved the exact same result the following week eh?)

[GoonerMuzz]

We had an excellent game against City, we destroyed a very poor AV yesterday however what worries me is the fact that against Brighton we once again showed a certain amount of frailty and underestimation of our opponents, we should never have allowed them 2 goals!

That worries me a lower division side still managed to score goals against us, immaterial of who was on the pitch it should not have been allowed to happen.

I think we've turned a corner, I hope finally AW has learnt his lessons but until I see more determined performances I'll reserve judgement.

Anyone who has supported Arsenal for at least the last 9 seasons have seen many false dawns and decent runs but none of them have amounted to anything, let's wait and see before the AKBs start celebrating and those of us in the WOB have to start apologising

[Ikechukwu1]

Just had to check the league table again one more time just to see what the spunk-fest has been about and I think there must be something wrong with my eyes cos...it says Arsenal are in 5th place, with a worse goal difference than Southampton. Wow. I couldn't imagine what'd happen if we ever made 4th place?
Quite the achievement, a club with £42.5m Mesut Ozil and £35m Alexis Sanchez managing the incredible feat of trailing the leaders by 11 points and just about keeping touch with Southampton and one of the worst Man United sides of the past 2 decades!

[Ikechukwu1]

We had an excellent game against City, we destroyed a very poor AV yesterday however what worries me is the fact that against Brighton we once again showed a certain amount of frailty and underestimation of our opponents, we should never have allowed them 2 goals!

That worries me a lower division side still managed to score goals against us, immaterial of who was on the pitch it should not have been allowed to happen.

I think we've turned a corner, I hope finally AW has learnt his lessons but until I see more determined performances I'll reserve judgement.

Anyone who has supported Arsenal for at least the last 9 seasons have seen many false dawns and decent runs but none of them have amounted to anything, let's wait and see before the AKBs start celebrating and those of us in the WOB have to start apologising

How long is that corner out if curiosity? Just cos we first started turning it in 2005. It's awfully big eh!

[armchair]

If Arsenal finish in the dizzying heights of fourth place and above Southampton I swear it'll be Wengers greatest ever achievement!

[OneBardGooner]

Think all he Wenger haters should calm down........we will have a set back soon, possibly even on Saturday.
They can then run to their computers and collectively weep with joy.......'there we told you the improved form would not last...'

Apparently the tactics employed in recent weeks are not Wengers.
The team got together and decided to play their own way. Wenger just meekly sat back and let the team ignore him.

So Wenger got lucky, blah, blah.....

No doubt if we do lose on Saturday, then it will be back to being Wenger's team, Wenger's tactics.......

You really could not make this shit up........

Are you really that stupid?

All we (Gooners) want - whether for or against Wenger - is for our team to Win and so succeed - AND be managed properly...Considering the 'Talent' we have in the squad - That talent has Not been utilised properly - Wenger insists on playing players out of position - trying to force square pegs into round holes - he insists on buying similar the players then forcing/expecting them to slot into a system and game plan that does nothing to fully employ the full range of their skills...and he has been doing so for 9 seasons now....

Still lets not simple Facts like that get in the way of your slanted opinions and blindness to the obvious.

The reason we did a job on man city is because the PLAYERS insisted on adopting a different system and approach to that game - because of it's success - Wenger has been made to admit (privately) there are other ways that the team can play...The times we have needed a Pan B - instead of the tippy tappy - full backs race forward (no matter who we are playing) leaving the flanks and so middle defenders open to be roasted....and so the team be bumholed by the victims, chavscum,manure -- even Everton for heaven's sake!

If you are unable to grasp the Obvious - then that simply shows your lack of even the most basic understanding of Football.

[GoonerMuzz]

We had an excellent game against City, we destroyed a very poor AV yesterday however what worries me is the fact that against Brighton we once again showed a certain amount of frailty and underestimation of our opponents, we should never have allowed them 2 goals!

That worries me a lower division side still managed to score goals against us, immaterial of who was on the pitch it should not have been allowed to happen.

I think we've turned a corner, I hope finally AW has learnt his lessons but until I see more determined performances I'll reserve judgement.

Anyone who has supported Arsenal for at least the last 9 seasons have seen many false dawns and decent runs but none of them have amounted to anything, let's wait and see before the AKBs start celebrating and those of us in the WOB have to start apologising

How long is that corner out if curiosity? Just cos we first started turning it in 2005. It's awfully big eh!

I said I think we've turned a corner, I didn't say it was the only one in the road.......