THE MIDDLESEX SWAMP DWELLERS AWAY THREAD

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OneBardGooner wrote:
Perryashburtongroves wrote:Anyone know what Wanker has said yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31202883
Thanks. Wish I hadn't bothered though. Get him out and we might have a chance.

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The Ref set the tone for the game allowing them to step up even more with the physical stuff,of which wee were getting bookings for less.
That said they won because they wanted it MORE, cant blame Wenger for that, Monreal and Wellbeck had a go but the Rose tussel seemed to totally put Wellbeck off his game, another example from a shit referee

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WE Will finish above them again, same AS LAST 20 SEASONS,they got a small moment of glory..... WE still got FA Cup and Champions league to have a go at

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We were outbattled yes but how can you give any sort of assessment of that gMe without reference to tactics?

Similarly there were some cretins on TV suggesting our win at City was just down to desire and determination. Now don't get me wrong we have bottled too many games in the last few years and are too often physically not up to it, but suggesting that we are losing these games through a lack of effort from the players is nonsense.

You out Coquelin in the Spurs midfirld ahead of Mason and he would have been all over Ramsey and had a field day. Instead he was having to hare around the place to try and cover the chaos. Similarly you put Mason or Bentaleb in that arsenal side and they'd be exposed for the awful players they are.

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Pochettino always has his teams playing high tempo, pressing the opposition. AW decided to ket him.

Ozil is so weak in this type of game. Welbeck tried hard but his touch was dreadful. Ramsey poor again and Kos' decision making has been woeful for a while now. Giroud did veru little. Why would you leave Rosicky on the bench!!

Both fullbacks played well considering were were under constant pressure.

A miserable performance lacking in passion and desire. Oh for an Adams or Vieira.

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manorhouse wrote:The Ref set the tone for the game allowing them to step up even more with the physical stuff,of which wee were getting bookings for less.
That said they won because they wanted it MORE, cant blame Wenger for that, Monreal and Wellbeck had a go but the Rose tussel seemed to totally put Wellbeck off his game, another example from a shit referee
Lets see now....
Blame the ref - check
Blame the players - check

Cant blame Wenger - check

You forgot special circumstances, injuries, Chelsea, the pitch and the handbrake
:lol:

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For me the game had a key moment, which was the Kane equaliser on 56 minutes.
At that point Wenger has to decide whether to hold on for a draw, or to push for a win.

So Wenger then has to make substitutions for the final 30 minutes.

Either hold on for the draw by bringing on Rosicky and Flamini for two players who were not playing well, Cazorla and Ramsey.
This hopefully allows for better team shape, and certainly experience.
Flamini can snap at Mason and Bentaleb, Rosicky can drop deep when needed and retain possession.

Or

Go for the win and bring on Rosicky and Walcott for two players who were not playing well, Cazorla and Ramsey.

Rosicky sits near Coquelin, helping him out in midfield, but has the experience to push forward if possible.
Walcott goes wide right, Welbeck moves to the left and Ozil goes behind Giroud.
Walcott's pace will mean Spurs have to be cautious in committing their left full back.

If Welbeck flags then bring on Gibbs in left midfield or Akpom and go to a 4-4-2.

But Wenger sat on the fence, and brought on Rosicky on 68, Walcott on 78.
Too little, too late.

Some here have slated Coquelin's performance but he did as much as he could in a one man midfield.
I have never said he was THE answer, but part of THE answer.
His partnership with Ramsey is OK when we have space, but with Ramsey's current form is not a partnership, especially when Coquelin plays the 1 in a 4-1-4-1.

I think energy players such as Alexis Sanchez, Oxlade-Chamberlain and hopefully a recovered Gnabry, would have made us a lot better today.

Spurs are not bad, remind me of Arsenal circa 1988 with Smith up front.

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QuartzGooner wrote:For me the game had a key moment, which was the Kane equaliser on 56 minutes.
At that point Wenger has to decide whether to hold on for a draw, or to push for a win.

So Wenger then has to make substitutions for the final 30 minutes.

Either hold on for the draw by bringing on Rosicky and Flamini for two players who were not playing well, Cazorla and Ramsey.
This hopefully allows for better team shape, and certainly experience.
Flamini can snap at Mason and Bentaleb, Rosicky can drop deep when needed and retain possession.

Or

Go for the win and bring on Rosicky and Walcott for two players who were not playing well, Cazorla and Ramsey.

Rosicky sits near Coquelin, helping him out in midfield, but has the experience to push forward if possible.
Walcott goes wide right, Welbeck moves to the left and Ozil goes behind Giroud.
Walcott's pace will mean Spurs have to be cautious in committing their left full back.

If Welbeck flags then bring on Gibbs in left midfield or Akpom and go to a 4-4-2.

But Wenger sat on the fence, and brought on Rosicky on 68, Walcott on 78.
Too little, too late.

Some here have slated Coquelin's performance but he did as much as he could in a one man midfield.
I have never said he was THE answer, but part of THE answer.
His partnership with Ramsey is OK when we have space, but with Ramsey's current form is not a partnership, especially when Coquelin plays the 1 in a 4-1-4-1.

I think energy players such as Alexis Sanchez, Oxlade-Chamberlain and hopefully a recovered Gnabry, would have made us a lot better today.

Spurs are not bad, remind me of Arsenal circa 1988 with Smith up front.
So to cut a long story short - We got nothing today because of Wenger.

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Agree Quartz, he had to change something and it was crazy not to. Thought we improved a bit with Rosicky on but at that point we'd been second best for an hour and just chamging one player wasn't enough to turn things round.

To be perfectly honest it was criminal to leave things as they were at 1-0. We were literally waiting for them to score.

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QuartzGooner wrote:For me the game had a key moment, which was the Kane equaliser on 56 minutes.
At that point Wenger has to decide whether to hold on for a draw, or to push for a win.

So Wenger then has to make substitutions for the final 30 minutes.
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Wenger to make subs before the 70th min mark.How long have you been watching Wengers Arsenal?.Wenger is not a reactive manager like Mourinho

Truth was the Spuds wanted it more a lot of our players went missing in action today.Cazorla Ramsey Ozil were shocking

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armchair wrote:
manorhouse wrote:The Ref set the tone for the game allowing them to step up even more with the physical stuff,of which wee were getting bookings for less.
That said they won because they wanted it MORE, cant blame Wenger for that, Monreal and Wellbeck had a go but the Rose tussel seemed to totally put Wellbeck off his game, another example from a shit referee
Lets see now....
Blame the ref - check
Blame the players - check

Cant blame Wenger - check

You forgot special circumstances, injuries, Chelsea, the pitch and the handbrake
:lol:
Yes Ref was TOTALLY shit, that said they deserved it , CANNOT BLAME WENGER IF PLAYERS DONT BATTLE FOR IT, he sends them out on the pitch once there they have to show fighting qualities so as they have a platform to play there football, man for man they are better footballers bar there keeper -FACT

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Wenger can't take every single piece of responsibility but we're not talking about a one-off - how many times have we been in this position where we are questioning our complete lack of tactics and dedication in a big game?

He has fostered an attitude where 4th place is an achievement. Look at the embarrassing celebrations at St James park in 2013 and listen to our players and manager talk about how we're in a great position.

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Before the game today, I really thought Theo was going to be the decisive factor that brought us the win. I was really annoyed when he didn't start. I know he's been off form but Tottenham have a naive backline that commit easily when they shouldn't and I think Theo would have had the pace to get in behind. Welbeck did well for our goal.. really well, so it's hard to fault him too much but I didn't think he was in the game much apart from that and he looked like a weakness from a defensive standpoint all day. Ramsey was anonymous yet again and I'm beginning to get worried because I absolutely want him to succeed. I'm not going to sit here and abuse him for days.. but I do think he should be dropped for Rosicky in the upcoming matches.

In terms of the game itself, we gave them too much respect. It was only the Scum, we should have went for them. They have just as many weaknesses as we do. Many more, in fact. I couldn't believe we scored so early given how out of the game we were from the first minute. At 1-0, and with Welbeck on a yellow card, we should have taken the initiative and brought on Rosicky and Walcott on about the 55th minute. Sometimes the best way to take control of a game and to force a result is by attacking, not defending. That's what we needed to do today. Instead we waited. The goal seemed inevitable and after that there was clearly only one winner. Fuck them anyway.. they'll bottle it as they always do so it's no worries from a top 4 standpoint; it's just really, really annoying because we had all the tools to win and didn't use them right.

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manorhouse wrote:
armchair wrote:
manorhouse wrote:The Ref set the tone for the game allowing them to step up even more with the physical stuff,of which wee were getting bookings for less.
That said they won because they wanted it MORE, cant blame Wenger for that, Monreal and Wellbeck had a go but the Rose tussel seemed to totally put Wellbeck off his game, another example from a shit referee
Lets see now....
Blame the ref - check
Blame the players - check

Cant blame Wenger - check

You forgot special circumstances, injuries, Chelsea, the pitch and the handbrake
:lol:
Yes Ref was TOTALLY shit, that said they deserved it , CANNOT BLAME WENGER IF PLAYERS DONT BATTLE FOR IT, he sends them out on the pitch once there they have to show fighting qualities so as they have a platform to play there football, man for man they are better footballers bar there keeper -FACT
Problem is heads wont roll coz of it though. No one will be dropped. He'll pick same team Tuesday we'll win and he'll say we showed great mental strength after the bad result at the weekend :blah: :blah: :blah:


Agree the ref was shite but nothing that influenced the outcome.

Players shouldn't need motivating in the NLD but when u have accumulated namby pamby tippy tappy ur going to get exactly that.

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manorhouse wrote:
armchair wrote:
manorhouse wrote:The Ref set the tone for the game allowing them to step up even more with the physical stuff,of which wee were getting bookings for less.
That said they won because they wanted it MORE, cant blame Wenger for that, Monreal and Wellbeck had a go but the Rose tussel seemed to totally put Wellbeck off his game, another example from a shit referee
Lets see now....
Blame the ref - check
Blame the players - check

Cant blame Wenger - check

You forgot special circumstances, injuries, Chelsea, the pitch and the handbrake
:lol:
Yes Ref was TOTALLY shit, that said they deserved it , CANNOT BLAME WENGER IF PLAYERS DONT BATTLE FOR IT, he sends them out on the pitch once there they have to show fighting qualities so as they have a platform to play there football, man for man they are better footballers bar there keeper -FACT
Ah right.
So this type of underperformance has never happened before with different players under Wenger then . I thought the manager was supposed to motivate the players, give team talks etc and get them up for games. I thought a manager was supposed to change things that werent working and send players out second half with a better attitude.
There was me thinking that Wenger was the common denominator when it was the players all the time. How wrong was I?
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