THE WENGER THREAD

[OneBardGooner]

And we thought our medical team was bad!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31492095

[Nos89]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

Much more of that and you'll be carted off to the funny farm

It's the part where he claims that the champs league is much easier to win than the fa cup that cracks me up What does it say about le cock then, that with all the great players and teams he has had, that he has never won it and only got beyond the quarter final stage once ? I would suggest that it is doubtful that either cloughie (rip) or paisley would sacrifice their european cup wins in exchange for a few fa cups, and bear in mind that it those days english clubs didnt have huge financial resources and didnt benefit from seeded draws to help the big clubs

Three times, but yeah, suggesting the CL is easier to win is beyond ridiculous, not least because it has far more quality sides and the two legged format, cup upsets are far more likely in one off games, how many times have we seen a Chelsea / Bradford type scenario in the CL?

It’s actually twice mate . The 2006 final and the 2009 semi final.

That 2 leg format does mean it’s less likely that a top side will suffer a shock defeat to a lesser side … but Arsenal are not one of Europe’s top sides so even that stretched logic doesn't help Nos89's case.

And the selective reasoning of picking out Clough and Paisley could be used the other way round by mentioning that the likes of Portsmouth and Wigan have won the FA Cup in recent years. And didn’t Millwall get to the final without playing a single top flight side ? How would any of those sides have got on in a 2 leg tie against Real Madrid or Bayern Munich?

Yet another example of any common sense having to be put aside to show Wenger in a good light .

Okay you lot make me laugh, one post that may be positive for wenger than the akb and wum accusations come out. So, if wenger wins a 6th FA Cup he will stand alone. Did I say it makes him the greatest manager? NO
The FA Cup argument comes from a quote from bill shankley who declared the FA cup is the toughest cup to win. The argument about clough and paisley is very valid as during their time the fa cup was a competition they entered every year of their management career yet failed to win it, yet between them won 5 European cups. They are consistently listed in the top three managers ever to manage a club in England. The argument of recent winners wigan and Portsmouth just adds to the argument that the fa cup is harder to win than the champions league. Can you ever see shaktar Donetsk, or the Norwegian champions ever winning the CL? No, simply the current format of the competition favours the big clubs and is a closed shop once you get to the quarter final, semi final stage. Certainly it is a cash cow but an open and fair competition it is not.
The FA Cup is a great competition and always has been that's why there is more interest in this cup competition worldwide than any other domestic cup competition. Going back to wenger, I hope we do win both CL and Fa cup, not because I'm a supporter of wenger, which I am not, but because I want Arsenal to win trophies not finish 4th and get knocked out in quarter finals.

[northbank123]

I can see that there may be a point about the one-legged nature meaning you're more likely to get an upset but your thinking is crazy - imagine Wigan or Portsmouth winning the Champions League (if they were allowed to enter it!!!!). The FA Cup is more favourable to the lesser teams than the CL, that's about as high as I'd put it.

[augie]

Nos89, on motd 2 last night on bbc, they claimed that some manager (ramsey I think ??) won the fa cup 6 times with villa many years ago and if true, it blows your wenker stands alone comment out of the water

[SteveO 35]

Nos89, on motd 2 last night on bbc, they claimed that some manager (ramsey I think ??) won the fa cup 6 times with villa many years ago and if true, it blows your wenker stands alone comment out of the water

As much as Preston's Invincibles when they had to play 11 teams including the Dog and Duck, the Women's Institute and the Fruitpickers Association in 1547....blows our Invincibles out of the water

[mcdowell42]

Nos89, on motd 2 last night on bbc, they claimed that some manager (ramsey I think ??) won the fa cup 6 times with villa many years ago and if true, it blows your wenker stands alone comment out of the water

Ramsey won 6 1887,1895,1897,1905,1913 and 1920.


Wenger and Ferguson won it 5 times each

[augie]

Nos89, on motd 2 last night on bbc, they claimed that some manager (ramsey I think ??) won the fa cup 6 times with villa many years ago and if true, it blows your wenker stands alone comment out of the water

Ramsey won 6 1887,1895,1897,1905,1913 and 1920.


Wenger and Ferguson won it 5 times each

Thanks mc - seems that le cock isn't the premier fa cup manager after all

[mcdowell42]

True Augie but either is Ferguson

[Ikechukwu1]

It doesn't matter anyway. Ultimately, might as well chuck the FA Cup now we got a tough draw and focus on the "easier" CL

[augie]

True Augie but either is Ferguson

Good news does come in two's after all

[Clash]

Okay you lot make me laugh, one post that may be positive for wenger than the akb and wum accusations come out. So, if wenger wins a 6th FA Cup he will stand alone. Did I say it makes him the greatest manager? NO
The FA Cup argument comes from a quote from bill shankley who declared the FA cup is the toughest cup to win. The argument about clough and paisley is very valid as during their time the fa cup was a competition they entered every year of their management career yet failed to win it, yet between them won 5 European cups. They are consistently listed in the top three managers ever to manage a club in England. The argument of recent winners wigan and Portsmouth just adds to the argument that the fa cup is harder to win than the champions league. Can you ever see shaktar Donetsk, or the Norwegian champions ever winning the CL? No, simply the current format of the competition favours the big clubs and is a closed shop once you get to the quarter final, semi final stage. Certainly it is a cash cow but an open and fair competition it is not.
The FA Cup is a great competition and always has been that's why there is more interest in this cup competition worldwide than any other domestic cup competition. Going back to wenger, I hope we do win both CL and Fa cup, not because I'm a supporter of wenger, which I am not, but because I want Arsenal to win trophies not finish 4th and get knocked out in quarter finals.

Wasn't accusing you of being an AKB mate.

To be honest I think some of the points you've made second time round are fair enough (up to a point anyway) but I still totally disagree with your conclusion that the FA Cup is harder to win.

What I would say is that it is certainly more random with regards to who might win the FA Cup but that actually makes it easier to win if you have not built a great side. And therefore by not having to build a great side that has to beat top teams (you cannot win the CL these days without facing top teams at some stage - the FA Cup you can) then winning it is not anywhere near the same achievement in terms of difficulty as winning the CL would be because of the luck element (i.e the possibility of being drawn at home every round, not having to play a top flight side at any point etc.)

And as much as I totally lost any belief in Wenger years ago, I was never one to say he would never win a trophy again precisely because of the unpredictable nature of the domestic cups. Wenger will never win the league again (or the CL ever) because he isn't a good enough manager to build a side capable of either from the position his team is in right now in. With the right amount of luck however, he could win a few more domestic cups.

[OneBardGooner]

Can't the 'team' mug the inept caant off - And sort the tactics for the game against granny shagger shrek and his diving cohorts - so at leats we don't get raped by 8 goals again....

[rodders999]

Nos89, on motd 2 last night on bbc, they claimed that some manager (ramsey I think ??) won the fa cup 6 times with villa many years ago and if true, it blows your wenker stands alone comment out of the water

As much as Preston's Invincibles when they had to play 11 teams including the Dog and Duck, the Women's Institute and the Fruitpickers Association in 1547....blows our Invincibles out of the water

Jug ears going on about that again last night the horrible little bastard

[Gunner Rob]

Wenger will never win the league again (or the CL ever) because he isn't a good enough manager to build a side capable of either from the position his team is in right now in. With the right amount of luck however, he could win a few more domestic cups.

how long do you think he will be here for then? another decade?

[remigardeshair]

Wengers quote about the fa cup is probably true. He's won it 5 times and lost 1 final and 4 semi finals. The champions league is easier to win than the fa cup. Clough never won the fa cup, bob paisley never won the fa cup. Busby and shankley won it twice. Winning a 6th fa cup would be another achievement in which Wenger will stand alone. Personally, I hope he gets it as well as the champions league as none of the big teams in Europe are waltzing their leagues. We could sneak both this season.

Much more of that and you'll be carted off to the funny farm

It's the part where he claims that the champs league is much easier to win than the fa cup that cracks me up What does it say about le cock then, that with all the great players and teams he has had, that he has never won it and only got beyond the quarter final stage once ? I would suggest that it is doubtful that either cloughie (rip) or paisley would sacrifice their european cup wins in exchange for a few fa cups, and bear in mind that it those days english clubs didnt have huge financial resources and didnt benefit from seeded draws to help the big clubs

Three times, but yeah, suggesting the CL is easier to win is beyond ridiculous, not least because it has far more quality sides and the two legged format, cup upsets are far more likely in one off games, how many times have we seen a Chelsea / Bradford type scenario in the CL?

It’s actually twice mate . The 2006 final and the 2009 semi final.

and he also took Monaco to a semi final too, so three.