As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
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An enjoyable watch-yes, it's annoying thinking how our team lacks the fight and character now but gotta love watching our unbeaten season, the game at Old trafford, comeback against liverpool and winning the league at Shite Hart lane!
The best part of this documentary was the fight at OT, as it summed up what the team was about. They were tough, and stuck up for each other, and were willing to do what it took to win, and they actually cared about the club. Compare that with the current bunch, who will be licking Van Persie's ass in the tunnel before the FA cup game next week, no bottle from anyone in the current squad.
Haven't yet watched it but I'm disappointed Gilberto, Vieira and Ljungberg weren't involved.
For whatever reason Patrick seems to have frozen himself out of any relationship with the club which is a shame, but I don't get why Freddie wouldn't have taken part - he is still involved with the club serving as an international ambassador.
Nos89 wrote:How can any Gooner not enjoy that, even after tonight's result?
The Champions League is a cup competition which would be great to win but ultimately its the league title that matters. To win it undefeated is astounding. Think of the great Liverpool teams, the united teams under ferguson never, ever went undefeated in a league winning season. To match that in Europe we'd have to win the champions league 3 years in a row, and in the current format that will never happen..unless we do it.
Every powerhouse club in Europe has won the European Cup/Champions league multiple times.We havent fucking won it once.
VAVAVOOM 14 wrote:Haven't yet watched it but I'm disappointed Gilberto, Vieira and Ljungberg weren't involved.
I did think they could have done with a couple of extra players, but personally, I thought Bergkamp was the biggest omission. He's intelligent and articulated, had been at the club eight years prior to the Invincibles season, and probably could've added a lot.
I'll always love Sol Campbell because of the jump from Tottenham and the fact that he was a great player, but I've always found the guy himself to be rather barmy. The documentary wasn't that long, but I did start tiring of him towards the end.
Sam59 wrote:maybe Bergkamp and Vieira are hampered contractually by working at other clubs? Gilberto, definitely. Love him.
Did enjoy Jens' input.
Part of the reason I wanted Gilberto is he's sort of become a forgotten man.
Criminally underrated as a player, one of the best holding mid's of his generation - he was dubbed the Invisible Wall because you often didn't know he was playing as he went about his job in an understated and efficient way, but you could sure tell when he wasn't. I'm adamant one of the reasons we didn't retain the title in 04/05 was down to Gilberto missing most of the season and he is another we failed to replace upon his departure. How we missed him.
I always thought he'd make a brilliant coach, think he'd be a great addition to the club in some capacity.
Sam59 wrote:maybe Bergkamp and Vieira are hampered contractually by working at other clubs? Gilberto, definitely. Love him.
Did enjoy Jens' input.
Part of the reason I wanted Gilberto is he's sort of become a forgotten man.
Criminally underrated as a player, one of the best holding mid's of his generation - he was dubbed the Invisible Wall because you often didn't know he was playing as he went about his job in an understated and efficient way, but you could sure tell when he wasn't. I'm adamant one of the reasons we didn't retain the title in 04/05 was down to Gilberto missing most of the season and he is another we failed to replace upon his departure. How we missed him.
I always thought he'd make a brilliant coach, think he'd be a great addition to the club in some capacity.
In a way, I remember more of Gilberto from the Emirates era than I do the Highbury era. As part of the Invincibles, he was a decent player, but got lost in the shuffle in amongst some genuinely world-class players. But when they'd all retired / gone overseas / had the audacity to turn 30, he became a very prominent figure and I think he was much more appreciated.
Finally watched it tonight. Just so hard to fathom how Wenger could have allowed us to go from one extreme to the other. Seeing the footage of the Keown / Vam Horesface stuff again, sticking it to the scum at the Lane and hearing how players like Lehmann, Keown and Vieira took It upon themselves as crucial times to step in and say what needed to be said. We went from this to a captain sitting crying at the side of the pitch a few seasons later and a manager who talks about leadership being overplayed in this country
SteveO 35 wrote:Finally watched it tonight. Just so hard to fathom how Wenger could have allowed us to go from one extreme to the other. Seeing the footage of the Keown / Vam Horesface stuff again, sticking it to the scum at the Lane and hearing how players like Lehmann, Keown and Vieira took It upon themselves as crucial times to step in and say what needed to be said. We went from this to a captain sitting crying at the side of the pitch a few seasons later and a manager who talks about leadership being overplayed in this country
Just impossible to work out
Just watching it now and having exactly the same thoughts. Utterly baffling.
SteveO 35 wrote:Finally watched it tonight. Just so hard to fathom how Wenger could have allowed us to go from one extreme to the other. Seeing the footage of the Keown / Vam Horesface stuff again, sticking it to the scum at the Lane and hearing how players like Lehmann, Keown and Vieira took It upon themselves as crucial times to step in and say what needed to be said. We went from this to a captain sitting crying at the side of the pitch a few seasons later and a manager who talks about leadership being overplayed in this country
Just impossible to work out
Just watching it now and having exactly the same thoughts. Utterly baffling.
Could it be that a strong willed and opinionated captain has spoken out against Wenker previously ?
RVP ? Fabregas ?
Undermining his authority in front of players ?
Telling him that the tactics / players were not right ?
From Adams /Vieira to Almunia et all
The captain should be the manager's mouthpiece out on the pitch, but as our team talk is just `go out +play` in Wenkerworld a captain's role is just tossing the coin
SteveO 35 wrote:Finally watched it tonight. Just so hard to fathom how Wenger could have allowed us to go from one extreme to the other. Seeing the footage of the Keown / Vam Horesface stuff again, sticking it to the scum at the Lane and hearing how players like Lehmann, Keown and Vieira took It upon themselves as crucial times to step in and say what needed to be said. We went from this to a captain sitting crying at the side of the pitch a few seasons later and a manager who talks about leadership being overplayed in this country
Just impossible to work out
Just watching it now and having exactly the same thoughts. Utterly baffling.
Can you imagine this current team getting knocked out of the FA Cup and CL within a matter of days and then coming from behind to beat Liverpool a few days later and remaining unbeaten for the rest of the season. I don't remember much talk of the 'red zone' or 'leetle bit jaded' back then despite the fact we had a smaller squad than we have today. I await the "football's different now" argument from the Wenger apologists
Fucking loved watching that up at Old Trafford. We were better than them and they knew it.
Ryan Giggs is one lucky prick as well, squaring up to Lauren like that after the whistle. Lauren was hard as fuck and would have torn Giggs to pieces. He would have found it significantly harder to fuck his brother's wife from his hospital bed.
Nos89 wrote:How can any Gooner not enjoy that, even after tonight's result?
The Champions League is a cup competition which would be great to win but ultimately its the league title that matters. To win it undefeated is astounding. Think of the great Liverpool teams, the united teams under ferguson never, ever went undefeated in a league winning season. To match that in Europe we'd have to win the champions league 3 years in a row, and in the current format that will never happen..unless we do it.
Every powerhouse club in Europe has won the European Cup/Champions league multiple times.We havent fucking won it once.
Barcelona first won the European cup for the first time in '92. Our time will come but not under wenger...he's too busy focussing on winning the fA Cup allegedly
northbank123 wrote:Fucking loved watching that up at Old Trafford. We were better than them and they knew it.
Ryan Giggs is one lucky prick as well, squaring up to Lauren like that after the whistle. Lauren was hard as fuck and would have torn Giggs to pieces. He would have found it significantly harder to fuck his brother's wife from his hospital bed.
I remember watching a programme once and David Seaman said Lauren was as hard as fuck ( not his EXACT words),the host said who would you pick to win a fight between so-and-so and Lauren,Seaman said Lauren because he could more than handle himself.
